British Youtuber backed off of BJ and Baccarat
November 27th, 2021 at 3:27:18 PM
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(unable to post youtube link... I Got Kicked Out Of A Casino For Counting Cards! Steven Bridges on youtube, about 14:30 timestamp)
I've fast forwarded the video with a timestamp to the back off part. I suggest watching the whole video as well, very entertaining stuff.
He seems to be forgetting one of the basic steps to card counting and that's don't draw any attention to yourself. He could easily pass off as 'english businessman in town for a month' if he had just taken it much smaller bites at it. I'm also curious about his 50,000 UK Pound benefactor feels about all of this. I can't help but feel like that guy is about to lose his "loan" lol.
So one interesting facet I'd like to discuss, and it'd tie into forum favorite/infamous poster that Shall Not Be Named, is that the pit boss tells him that they are backing him off of Baccarat. Now most people claim that Baccarat isn't countable, and I think that's the standard line from Wiz as well? So why is the pit boss telling him UTH, High Card Flush, and Pai Gow are fine to play but Blackjack AND Baccarat aren't acceptable? Is there something going on with seattle casinos with Baccarat?
I've fast forwarded the video with a timestamp to the back off part. I suggest watching the whole video as well, very entertaining stuff.
He seems to be forgetting one of the basic steps to card counting and that's don't draw any attention to yourself. He could easily pass off as 'english businessman in town for a month' if he had just taken it much smaller bites at it. I'm also curious about his 50,000 UK Pound benefactor feels about all of this. I can't help but feel like that guy is about to lose his "loan" lol.
So one interesting facet I'd like to discuss, and it'd tie into forum favorite/infamous poster that Shall Not Be Named, is that the pit boss tells him that they are backing him off of Baccarat. Now most people claim that Baccarat isn't countable, and I think that's the standard line from Wiz as well? So why is the pit boss telling him UTH, High Card Flush, and Pai Gow are fine to play but Blackjack AND Baccarat aren't acceptable? Is there something going on with seattle casinos with Baccarat?
November 27th, 2021 at 3:31:18 PM
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Perhaps the people who work at Baccarat tables are as uninformed as the people who try to play it.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
November 27th, 2021 at 4:45:23 PM
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Quote: ChallengedMilly(unable to post youtube link... I Got Kicked Out Of A Casino For Counting Cards! Steven Bridges on youtube, about 14:30 timestamp)link to original post
Timestamps are not supported, but I may be less unable.
May the cards fall in your favor.
November 27th, 2021 at 5:03:20 PM
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I never knew Baccarat was a Black Jack style game. Nobody tell MDawg.
November 27th, 2021 at 6:32:43 PM
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But they are knowledgeable to see hes counting, and know uth, pai gow, and high card flush aren't easily exploited.Quote: billryanPerhaps the people who work at Baccarat tables are as uninformed as the people who try to play it.
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November 27th, 2021 at 6:51:53 PM
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Quote: ChumpChangeI never knew Baccarat was a Black Jack style game. Nobody tell MDawg.
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It is not.
I think the casino may have heard a rumor about someone winning at baccarat and is erring on the side of paranoia.
May the cards fall in your favor.
November 27th, 2021 at 7:09:29 PM
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in the past two days youtube has been suggesting this guy to me and never have i ever heard of him before
production value is top quality imo
production value is top quality imo
November 27th, 2021 at 8:45:56 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: ChumpChangeI never knew Baccarat was a Black Jack style game. Nobody tell MDawg.
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It is not.
I think the casino may have heard a rumor about someone winning at baccarat and is erring on the side of paranoia.
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If their Baccarat tables have the Dragon 7 bonus or some variation, that could be the source of the paranoia.
Casinos are not your friends, they want your money. But so does Disneyland.
And there is no chance in hell that you will go to Disneyland and come back with more money than you went with.
- AxelWolf and Mickeycrimm
November 27th, 2021 at 9:29:00 PM
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Perhaps they monitor this forum and have taken notice of the incredible successes a lucky few have been posting about.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
November 28th, 2021 at 10:22:20 AM
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Quote: billryanPerhaps they monitor this forum and have taken notice of the incredible successes a lucky few have been posting about.
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Nope I’m just a degenerate gambler who watches dumb stuff like that
November 28th, 2021 at 2:08:39 PM
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But UTH is ok? I’m guessing there’s a little yellow thing involved.
November 28th, 2021 at 8:12:22 PM
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How is dragon 7 bonus exploitable?Quote: DeucekiesQuote: DieterQuote: ChumpChangeI never knew Baccarat was a Black Jack style game. Nobody tell MDawg.
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It is not.
I think the casino may have heard a rumor about someone winning at baccarat and is erring on the side of paranoia.
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If their Baccarat tables have the Dragon 7 bonus or some variation, that could be the source of the paranoia.
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November 28th, 2021 at 8:51:44 PM
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Quote: ChallengedMillyHow is dragon 7 bonus exploitable?
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It's been discussed here in the past a handful of times; it's mildly countable. I believe the general consensus is that it's not worth a card counter's time for the meager return it produces, and one-deck penetration pretty much renders counting useless.
Casinos are not your friends, they want your money. But so does Disneyland.
And there is no chance in hell that you will go to Disneyland and come back with more money than you went with.
- AxelWolf and Mickeycrimm
December 6th, 2021 at 1:33:21 PM
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I actually am really glad I clicked the video. I've seen, read, and played too much blackjack I'm not sure if it's the fun english accent, but I really enjoyed this video. I just think he got most everything right.... from the training, testing, practice table hours, software, etc, etc, etc. Obviously he doesn't even live in the states so I'm sure he's not too worried about getting booted from places, so all the more reason to camp out and play until they tell you not to play anymore.
I imagine they told him no more "blackjack style" games like bac because you can "technically" get a tiny edge by counting in bac? Even so I just really enjoyed the adventure he took us on.
I imagine they told him no more "blackjack style" games like bac because you can "technically" get a tiny edge by counting in bac? Even so I just really enjoyed the adventure he took us on.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
December 6th, 2021 at 2:03:32 PM
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I think he may have been a guest recently on GWAE.
Hopefully again, soon. I got the feeling there are many more stories to be told.
Hopefully again, soon. I got the feeling there are many more stories to be told.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 9th, 2021 at 7:59:23 AM
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This is a fantastic series. Look forward to the next episode. High quality, AND entertaining.
December 18th, 2021 at 8:05:13 AM
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So the latest YouTube video is up from this guy and he got some pretty funny backoffs and one attempt that failed through ineptitude on the staffs part. Loving this series. Also he claims to be up about $15,000 so far, I believe the goal is to double the investors buyin.
December 18th, 2021 at 7:00:16 PM
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I just watched the video. Kudos to the casino manager for being polite in the back-off and the player for not being argumentative about it.
It is not that strange he excluded baccarat. Some of the side bets are countable, but not to a degree it's worth a counters time. If I were the casino manager and not sure about baccarat, I would allow it just to see if the counter moved over to play it and if so, what did he bet on.
It is not that strange he excluded baccarat. Some of the side bets are countable, but not to a degree it's worth a counters time. If I were the casino manager and not sure about baccarat, I would allow it just to see if the counter moved over to play it and if so, what did he bet on.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 19th, 2021 at 1:54:46 AM
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I think management most of the time is hell bent on just kicking people out because they find satisfaction in it and also to save their own ass/ prove their worth to other management. Casinos should take the approach of a solid sportsbook by limiting/backing off people only from what they know to be strong play and then monitoring future play in other games to learn of any weaknesses or perhaps to find out that the player will play -ev games.
December 24th, 2021 at 1:53:04 PM
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Thank you for the input Wiz!Quote: WizardI just watched the video. Kudos to the casino manager for being polite in the back-off and the player for not being argumentative about it.
It is not that strange he excluded baccarat. Some of the side bets are countable, but not to a degree it's worth a counters time. If I were the casino manager and not sure about baccarat, I would allow it just to see if the counter moved over to play it and if so, what did he bet on.
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Also new video is up now, he's doing a "day in the life of a card counter" schtick for this video. He's already been backed off by 7 casinos in the Seattle area, lol. I thought most casinos were on a huge registry that was shared between them for stuff like this? Kind of interesting the loopholes that I thought were closed up aren't actually closed up.
January 13th, 2022 at 1:43:00 PM
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Newest video is out and wow the amount of intimidation from that one asshole security guy. Ugh. I really wish we could get a federal law making card counting legal and just let the chips fall where they may as casinos change the rules to be shitty as hell for blackjack and hopefully push people away from it as a table game.
January 18th, 2022 at 1:20:24 AM
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Geesh! No Player's Card or ID, No Money! $1,000 at the cage!
Casino Called The Police On Me For Counting Cards! - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXxdKYUsIhE
Casino Called The Police On Me For Counting Cards! - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXxdKYUsIhE
February 12th, 2022 at 12:22:20 PM
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This reminds me of a time I got backed off at Harrah's for doing something stupid:
I was walking around looking for a decent table. I saw the pit boss and he had a name tag which read "Mr. White"--and so I'll be using his name here. Mr. White seemed hyper vigilant, but I didn't let that dissuade me.
I found a table with decent rules, so I back counted ("wonging"). When the count became good I "wonged in"--sitting down and placing my bet based on the count. I noticed that Mr. White had noticed me doing this.
When the count went bad, I got up and back counted at another table. When the count got good, I wonged in for the second time--at which point Mr. White came over and told me I would be restricted to just playing 1 table with a flat bet. This ended my play at this casino for the night.
The moral of the story is that sometimes 2 Wongs do make a White.
I was walking around looking for a decent table. I saw the pit boss and he had a name tag which read "Mr. White"--and so I'll be using his name here. Mr. White seemed hyper vigilant, but I didn't let that dissuade me.
I found a table with decent rules, so I back counted ("wonging"). When the count became good I "wonged in"--sitting down and placing my bet based on the count. I noticed that Mr. White had noticed me doing this.
When the count went bad, I got up and back counted at another table. When the count got good, I wonged in for the second time--at which point Mr. White came over and told me I would be restricted to just playing 1 table with a flat bet. This ended my play at this casino for the night.
The moral of the story is that sometimes 2 Wongs do make a White.
February 12th, 2022 at 12:32:03 PM
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Quote: ChallengedMillyNewest video is out and wow the amount of intimidation from that one asshole security guy. Ugh. I really wish we could get a federal law making card counting legal and just let the chips fall where they may as casinos change the rules to be shitty as hell for blackjack and hopefully push people away from it as a table game.
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Card counting is already legal (as long as you aren't using external aids or devices to help you). As it stands, casinos in the United States (like with any business) can refuse service to anyone for any reason--as long as it doesn't violate the civil rights laws (race, sex, being handicapped etc.)
They could theoretically pass a law making it illegal for casinos to kick out "advantage players"--but the only effect this would have is they'd switch all tables to 6:5 blackjack and/or other rules that give the house an insurmountable advantage. This wouldn't kill blackjack as most players are casual and don't understand the difference between good and bad blackjack rules--it would only impact card counters and effectively kill the ability to play for an advantage. This cat and mouse game comes with the territory, and getting a rude backoff is just something AP's have to put up with from time to time.
February 12th, 2022 at 2:49:26 PM
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Quote: 7Ate9The moral of the story is that sometimes 2 Wongs do make a White.
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I am cringing at that punline.
May the cards fall in your favor.
February 12th, 2022 at 3:20:43 PM
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Are you banned?
Are you betting the table minimum?
Are you cashing out?
Are you over 21 years old?
Show me the ID!
Casino AND Police Ambush Card Counter! - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JKR-zGvzdc
Are you betting the table minimum?
Are you cashing out?
Are you over 21 years old?
Show me the ID!
Casino AND Police Ambush Card Counter! - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JKR-zGvzdc
February 13th, 2022 at 3:13:19 PM
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IfQuote: 7Ate9<snip>The moral of the story is that sometimes 2 Wongs do make a White.
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7Ate9,
Shouldn't that be "A White makes you after two Wongs?" ; -)
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