## Poll

 Yes, Numbers Don't Lie. No votes (0%) No, No, No, Totally Delusional. 1 vote (14.28%) Fat Chance, Dream on. 4 votes (57.14%) A Broken Clock is Always Right Twice a Day. No votes (0%) @//!~^#&>, Unfit to Print 4 votes (57.14%)

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Moraine
Joined: May 12, 2021
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May 28th, 2021 at 10:55:12 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Sliced beer is more plausible than the claims made by the OP. 100% IC while ignoring half the cards coming out is a fantastic claim.

1. Thorp's Ten Count, by counting 4 cards (K, Q, J and Ten), attains 100% IC. It really isn't out of the realm of possibility that AceMT, by counting Ace, K, Q, J and Ten -- with an added (more correctly put a MINUS) Ace Side Count -- can also attain 100% IC.

2. Ace + K + Q + J + Ten - Ace = K + Q + J + Ten = Thorp's Ten Count.

3. "Sliced Beer" may also become "plausible" if one thinks outside the box.
Last edited by: Moraine on May 28, 2021
GMan
Joined: Jan 5, 2013
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May 28th, 2021 at 10:56:25 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Nope, I'm not interested in digging through another thread. Describe your count system here succinctly.

Tags
RC to TC conversion
When do you bet more
When do you take insurance

For now don't worry about any other index plays.

For example, if you asked me to describe a simple HiLo system I'd say

A,K,Q,J,T = -1
2,3,4,5,6 = +1
TC = RC/remaining decks (half deck estimates)
Breakeven around TC +1 (depending on rules) increasing roughly .5% per TC
Take insurance at TC +3 or greater

You should be able to roughly describe AceMT in this fashion.

LOL, good luck in getting any substantial information Sabre!
G Man
billryan
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
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May 28th, 2021 at 11:00:54 AM permalink
Twenty years ago, someone would have introduced chaos theory into the discussion.
Moraine
Joined: May 12, 2021
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May 28th, 2021 at 11:33:47 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I thought the point of this system was that Hi-Lo was too laborious yet now you are talking about adding a side count to it.

1. AceMT does not need the added Ace Side Count, but if one wants 100% IC, AceMT has a simpler way than Hi-Lo to deliver it.

2. To my knowledge, if a Hi-Lo user wants 100% IC, two counting team members are needed: One using Hi-Lo for the main Blackjack bet and the other using Ten Count -- a -9, +4 (?) point value system -- for the SIDE INSURANCE BET, since no card counter, save a genius, can handle Hi-Lo plus Ten Count alone.

3. With AceMT, counting the high only plus the Ace Side Count, isn't really too difficult for a SOLO card counting practitioner, especially for one or two-deck blackjack.
sabre
Joined: Aug 16, 2010
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May 28th, 2021 at 11:47:44 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Describe your count system here succinctly.

Moraine
Joined: May 12, 2021
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May 28th, 2021 at 12:00:51 PM permalink
The assigned point values of AceMT, aka Count the High, for each of the four suits:

A, K, Q, J, and Ten: -1 each.
2 thru 9: ZERO each.
Moraine
Joined: May 12, 2021
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May 28th, 2021 at 12:04:02 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

In the nut shell, AceMT, aka Count the High, assigns:

A, K, Q, J, and Ten: -1 each.
2 thru 9: ZERO each.

Every thing else in AceMT comes out of that special basic point value assignment.
Last edited by: Moraine on May 28, 2021
aceside
Joined: May 14, 2021
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May 28th, 2021 at 12:07:02 PM permalink
Quote: Moraine

1. Thorp's Ten Count, by counting 4 cards (K, Q, J and Ten), attains 100% IC. It really isn't out of the realm of possibility that, by counting Ace, K, Q, J and Ten -- with an added (more correctly put a MINUS) Ace Side Count -- AceMT can also attain 100% IC.

2. Ace + K + Q + J + Ten - Ace = K + Q + J + Ten = Thorp's Ten Count.

3. "Sliced Beer" may also become "plausible" if one thinks outside the box.

This is incorrect. To achieve 100% IC insurance correlation, you need to use the 10 Count
A, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 = +4
10, Jack, Queen, King = -9
unJon
Joined: Jul 1, 2018
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May 28th, 2021 at 12:33:12 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Sliced beer is more plausible than the claims made by the OP. 100% IC while ignoring half the cards coming out is a fantastic claim.

100% IC just means you are counting paint . . .
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
Moraine
Joined: May 12, 2021