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May 30th, 2021 at 4:08:30 PM permalink
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ah you mean the dealer is cheating... i would put that on the last priority of what i would be worried about

ive had dealer go crazy and signal to the table when he actually had blackjack and when he didnt - needless to say i didnt listen to him and didnt take insurance when he said he had it

dealers would only be colluding with players - and most likely in a higher limit room if they were dumb - or paid - enough to do so

we seem to have two different definitions of cheating

i mean go to someones house and play these same games and you should expect a person dealing to be a card mechanic in some way i would guess, but go to a casino and you are more likely to get a fair game with a shuffler than a real person - this is the conundrum we face



The dictionary definition of cheating should remain the same. The difference is that I look from players angle, and you may look from casinos' angle.
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May 30th, 2021 at 4:18:45 PM permalink
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The dictionary definition of cheating should remain the same.



not sure where you decided to make that rule up as a legal term for the world but i assure you 50% of people disagree

i apologize for being harsh but legal vs dictionary is quite clear
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May 30th, 2021 at 6:29:13 PM permalink
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not sure where you decided to make that rule up as a legal term for the world but i assure you 50% of people disagree

i apologize for being harsh but legal vs dictionary is quite clear




What "legal term" are we talking about here? Regarding "cheating" or what?

"i assure you 50% of people disagree." So, the other 50% would agree?
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May 31st, 2021 at 6:56:30 AM permalink
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What "legal term" are we talking about here? Regarding "cheating" or what?

"i assure you 50% of people disagree." So, the other 50% would agree?



Whatever jurisdiction you are claiming is cheating normally has their own legal definition of cheating. So if your talking about Nevada you must go look up their laws of what cheating is and then you must ask yourself if what they claim is cheating is what you think they are doing. Pretty simple.

Is a dealer as a card mechanic actually cheating? If it were it may be legally defined. It may be in the cheating section of a law or it may be defined elsewhere, it may not be define at all.

And what Iím claiming is that most laws that we think are laws , are actually not laws at all but moral or implied by the person claiming something to be illegal in general. When in reality it is not.

Find me the laws you are claiming that are being broken and then tell me he date and time you saw the dealer cheating and you may have a case if you think itís on camera which it most likely was.

The dealer is colluding with someone but that is not the casino cheating unless the order was given from the ceo I suppose
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June 1st, 2021 at 11:40:00 AM permalink
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Whatever jurisdiction you are claiming is cheating normally has their own legal definition of cheating. So if your talking about Nevada you must go look up their laws of what cheating is and then you must ask yourself if what they claim is cheating is what you think they are doing. Pretty simple.



Find me the laws you are claiming that are being broken and then tell me he date and time you saw the dealer cheating and you may have a case if you think itís on camera which it most likely was.



I'm only a player suspecting "Dealing Second" and would like to record that "Dealing Second" with my smart phone. But since casino will never allow me or anyone else to use smart phones to take pictures near gaming tables. I can never prove "Second Dealing" EVEN IF THE LAW says "SECOND DEALING" is illegal.

So the law of the state or the rule of the casino regarding camera or phone use is to BENEFIT THE CASINO, not players. Any doubt there?
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June 1st, 2021 at 12:05:40 PM permalink
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I'm only a player suspecting "Dealing Second" and would like to record that "Dealing Second" with my smart phone. But since casino will never allow me or anyone else to use smart phones to take pictures near gaming tables. I can never prove "Second Dealing" EVEN IF THE LAW says "SECOND DEALING" is illegal.



casinos are always recording their own dealers - take a note of time and date - make sure you keep documentation of the process you took to make the claim and who you submitted the claim to.

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So the law of the state or the rule of the casino regarding camera or phone use is to BENEFIT THE CASINO, not players. Any doubt there?



if you review my posting history you will have no doubt that i know and can prove to you that there is no such thing as a "fair" relationship between the players and the casino. The STATE or JURISDICTION knew damn well the laws they made for the casinos and that the player will never be fair so get that out of your head. the casino is in the jurisdiction because they are being protected by that jurisdiction.

all that being said the laws that need to be in place to protect the players are usually there. but by no means are they fair for the player when it compares to the things that casinos can do.

you as a player cant usually record anything - yet the casinos can record every angle of you.
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June 1st, 2021 at 12:34:48 PM permalink
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casinos are always recording their own dealers - take a note of time and date - make sure you keep documentation of the process you took to make the claim and who you submitted the claim to.



if you review my posting history you will have no doubt that i know and can prove to you that there is no such thing as a "fair" relationship between the players and the casino. The STATE or JURISDICTION knew damn well the laws they made for the casinos and that the player will never be fair so get that out of your head. the casino is in the jurisdiction because they are being protected by that jurisdiction.

all that being said the laws that need to be in place to protect the players are usually there. but by no means are they fair for the player when it compares to the things that casinos can do.

you as a player cant usually record anything - yet the casinos can record every angle of you.



Fair Enough. Question: How it Became Law?

ONE OBSERVATION:
Unlike the hard working DEALERS, WAITERS AND WAITRESSES, who ALWAYS accept moneys ON THE TABLES, the Honorable/Dishonorable Legislators OCCASIONALLY accept moneys UNDER THE TABLES.
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June 1st, 2021 at 12:47:22 PM permalink
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Fair Enough. Question: How it Became the Law?

ONE OBSERVATION:
Unlike the hard working DEALERS, WAITERS AND WAITRESSES, who ALWAYS accept moneys ON THE TABLES, the Honorable/Dishonorable Legislators OCCASIONALLY accept moneys UNDER THE TABLES.



If you have money you have lawyers and power to suggest parts of the laws
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June 1st, 2021 at 12:51:51 PM permalink
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If you have money you have lawyers and power to suggest parts of the laws



Not to "Suggest Parts of the Law", But "to BUY parts of the law."
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There is a difference between being "in violation" or "Non-compliant" with a law or regulatory rule, and "Cheating." Cheating involves an intention to do something in violation of the laws/rules in order to realize benefits.
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