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Pushfordealer
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April 23rd, 2021 at 12:37:56 AM permalink
Is it allowed in Las Vegas casinos to use mobile phone at the Blackjack tables to check the basic strategy chart? (as far as I know, basic strategy isnít considered a card counting or some way of cheating)
jjjoooggg
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April 23rd, 2021 at 1:40:23 AM permalink
You cant have a phone at a table. Even a friend next to a player. Rarely, they let people break the rule. Dont take it in a bad way. Its a common rule. Idk y.
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April 23rd, 2021 at 6:51:16 AM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

You cant have phone at table. Even a friend next to a player. Rarely, they let people break the rule. Dont take it in a bad way. Its a common rule. Idk y.



if you saw the cheating technology people use today that involve a custom phone with a camera in the side that can specifically read each card and tell you each persons hand you would understand

but thats only half of the equation - the other half is getting the marked decks into play if you are at a regulated casino

with the type of stuff i know about i would never trust a home game of anything and putting up with what i think is a fairly rigged shuffler is alot better to me
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April 23rd, 2021 at 7:19:58 AM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

You cant have phone at table. Even a friend next to a player. Rarely, they let people break the rule. Dont take it in a bad way. Its a common rule. Idk y.


Agreed. A printed basic strategy card should not be a problem (provided you don't move it around in a way that makes it looks like you're using the card to track the count). However, they can't be sure what you are doing with the phone.
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April 23rd, 2021 at 1:46:59 PM permalink
Depends on the casino. One casino I know of allows phones at the tabme games, but I'm in Reno. Just print out a basic strategy cheat sheet and use that instead of your phone.
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May 6th, 2021 at 10:39:37 PM permalink
You should absolutely never use your phone for anything in a casino and here's a VERY simple reason why:

Using your phone constitutes using a device while gambling, which is illegal, and the casino can have you arrested for it on suspicion of cheating. There is literally a law (in every casino state I believe - consult your local lawyer) that legally declares using a device while gambling is illegal.
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May 29th, 2021 at 8:10:39 PM permalink
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if you saw the cheating technology people use today that involve a custom phone with a camera in the side that can specifically read each card and tell you each persons hand you would understand

but thats only half of the equation - the other half is getting the marked decks into play if you are at a regulated casino

with the type of stuff i know about i would never trust a home game of anything and putting up with what i think is a fairly rigged shuffler is alot better to me




Could the "other half of the equation" IS TO PROTECT CASINO'S OWN CHEATINGS from being recorded too?
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May 30th, 2021 at 10:13:59 AM permalink
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Could the "other half of the equation" IS TO PROTECT CASINO'S OWN CHEATINGS from being recorded too?



the issue with your question is that - you as a person have a self defined definition of what cheating is - and the jurisdiction that the machines reside in are the main deciding factor if a "casino" is cheating

the short answer to your quesiton is no. they are not legally cheating. they are operating as they are legally allowed to.

the reason is that the state normally has the checks and balances which will eventually check and allow the slot or shuffling machines or whatever it is your asking about.

the algorithm that powers whatever your talking about has been checked. how ever the manufacturer decides to randomize it is up to them. they submit the source code and if it contains what is considered to be illegal procedures - i assume it is rejected. the one main thing these people cant do is purposely pick a losing number AFTER a winning number is chosen for you - and also they are NOT ALLOWED to make RNG decisions based on the INTERNAL HOLD PERCENTAGE. I think anything is game after those two things are checked off the list.

the problem that i see is that people want to know the algorithm or see it so as to check it out for themselves.

but the problem with that is if you know the manufacturers algorithm you can predict the numbers that are about to come out due to the nature of pseudo random RNGs. so there needs to be SOME level of secrecy in order to maintain the FAIR nature of the RNG.
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May 30th, 2021 at 12:36:35 PM permalink
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the issue with your question is that - you as a person have a self defined definition of what cheating is - and the jurisdiction that the machines reside in are the main deciding factor if a "casino" is cheating

the short answer to your quesiton is no. they are not legally cheating. they are operating as they are legally allowed to.


but the problem with that is if you know the manufacturers algorithm you can predict the numbers that are about to come out due to the nature of pseudo random RNGs. so there needs to be SOME level of secrecy in order to maintain the FAIR nature of the RNG.



Smart phones or cameras won't record "Algorithm" or "Percentage", BUT THEY CAN RECORD SLEIGH OF HAND, "DEALING SECOND", etc.
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May 30th, 2021 at 1:55:33 PM permalink
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Smart phones or cameras won't record "Algorithm" or "Percentage", BUT THEY CAN RECORD SLEIGH OF HAND, "DEALING SECOND", etc.



ah you mean the dealer is cheating... i would put that on the last priority of what i would be worried about

ive had dealer go crazy and signal to the table when he actually had blackjack and when he didnt - needless to say i didnt listen to him and didnt take insurance when he said he had it

dealers would only be colluding with players - and most likely in a higher limit room if they were dumb - or paid - enough to do so

we seem to have two different definitions of cheating

i mean go to someones house and play these same games and you should expect a person dealing to be a card mechanic in some way i would guess, but go to a casino and you are more likely to get a fair game with a shuffler than a real person - this is the conundrum we face

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