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April 6th, 2021 at 8:34:43 AM permalink
All that being said. I am really on my own island in terms of blackjack. Im not trying to reinvent any wheels. Just competing in an ever changing game.

So I might write something that seems totally against what the 99.9%. of the multi world does. Ive done my research. My purpose has never been and never will be to change anyones mind. The response may or may not lead me to rethink or go back and research something again.

For example, Bosox is a nut on Insurance. It's also the #1item on Don S Ill 18. So I spent a couple weeks designing my entire game around insurance. That was a little extreme.😄

Freighter is a huge advocate of Wong Halves with Ace side count. Hi Opt II side counts the 7. So I took from both. Drop the 2 and gave the 7 a 1 tag.

KJ talks about the extreme swings which comes from large bets. So I dug into View charts to see where I could minimize volatility and maximize returns to know when to go slightly beyond casino tolerance.

T3 talked about deck compositions which I find very interesting. Tarzan employs a column strategy. Similar to what I did for years. But you really need pen from the Thorp days in order to capitalize. Thats why they changed the game.
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April 6th, 2021 at 9:13:58 AM permalink
Quote: moses

All that being said. I am really on my own island in terms of blackjack. Im not trying to reinvent any wheels. Just competing in an ever changing game.

So I might write something that seems totally against what the 99.9%. of the multi world does. Ive done my research. My purpose has never been and never will be to change anyones mind. The response may or may not lead me to rethink or go back and research something again.

For example, Bosox is a nut on Insurance. It's also the #1item on Don S Ill 18. So I spent a couple weeks designing my entire game around insurance. That was a little extreme.😄

Freighter is a huge advocate of Wong Halves with Ace side count. Hi Opt II side counts the 7. So I took from both. Drop the 2 and gave the 7 a 1 tag.

KJ talks about the extreme swings which comes from large bets. So I dug into View charts to see where I could minimize volatility and maximize returns to know when to go slightly beyond casino tolerance.

T3 talked about deck compositions which I find very interesting. Tarzan employs a column strategy. Similar to what I did for years. But you really need pen from the Thorp days in order to capitalize. Thats why they changed the game.



Interesting stuff Moses, nice post.
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April 6th, 2021 at 4:53:23 PM permalink
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IF memory serves me correctly, Don S stated that SCORE is the main barometer one should consider. Perhaps the only?

Peter Griffin came up with BC Bet Correlation, PE Playing Efficiency, and IC Insurance long before SCORE was developed by Don S. This was based of EoR Effect of Removal. Who developed EoR?

I compare SCORE, Session Win %, and Win Rate from CV Data sims before taking a count strategy for a test drive on Verite.

My purpose is NOT to start a count debate. But wrap up some work I've been doing for a long time. Hopefully forever.

The desirability index DI is a more universal measure of game quality and allows comparison across a variety of games and methods. Don discusses DI in his book “Blackjack Attack” (page 186):

"I have christened this ratio the “Desirability Index” (DI) and have defined it, for the play all game, to be equal to one thousand times (for convenience of expression) the ratio of that game’s per-hand win rate to the per-hand standard deviation. Similarly, for the back-counted game, DI = 100 times the ratio of that game’s win rate per 100 hands to the s.d. per 100."
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moses
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April 6th, 2021 at 7:35:40 PM permalink
Thanks for input Mr. Eliot. DI are available with CV Data.

Quite often, I'm asking myself. So how is this a good deal? I fail to see the value of splitting in a no DAS straight up single deck game. For one thing, depending on dealer, it could shortrn pen even more.

There is no way to get 3.2 on the investment or double down. For the same dollar one has that opportinuty on the next round.
Therefore, I only split hands with positive results. That shinks the splitting field quite a bit. There is very little change SCORE or DI for this move.

Ftom what I've read, splitting was generated back in the 60's with a calculator. I wonder if the single deck games were DAS when this was factored in. 🤔
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April 8th, 2021 at 8:37:52 AM permalink
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I honestly don't know what your looking for? is it about making money as it is for me, or is it some kind of quest for the holy grail (perfect count).



I had to think about this question for a couple days. If I were to sum it up into one word? The word would be conviction. Not perfection.

I dont need the money. But I like the rewards a well rounded disciplined game can offer. Easier said, than done in my neck of the woods.😊

The 60-40 rule - rules.
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April 16th, 2021 at 10:03:45 PM permalink
I completed my study on splts. There are a couple of close calls.

Bosox, I'd like to get your opinion on what you would do. And whoever else is compelled to answer. I sent a couple of emails to other highly asture players.

50k hands or around 1 year of play.

No DAS. Out of 30 hands split the results are 16 wins 13 loss
1 tie. If you hit, the result is 8 wins 7 loss. Would you hit or split?

As God as my witness Im not trying to stir up anything. Depending on your answer, I might have 1 or 2 more scenarios. If that's okay.
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April 17th, 2021 at 2:47:09 AM permalink
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I completed my study on splts. There are a couple of close calls.

Bosox, I'd like to get your opinion on what you would do. And whoever else is compelled to answer. I sent a couple of emails to other highly asture players.

50k hands or around 1 year of play.

No DAS. Out of 30 hands split the results are 16 wins 13 loss
1 tie. If you hit, the result is 8 wins 7 loss. Would you hit or split?

As God as my witness Im not trying to stir up anything. Depending on your answer, I might have 1 or 2 more scenarios. If that's okay.



Come on Moses thinking that the results of 30 splits are anything meaningful as an example is ridiculous. You play single-deck games with your own developed column count and you are looking for answers, why? Just use your own index plays and trust yourself. I am the wrong guy to be asking about single-deck games which I have not played for over 30 years.
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April 17th, 2021 at 5:43:32 AM permalink
Sometimes a person works so hard they cant think anymore. That example was 1 of 10. After sleepng on it, I will hit. Split on large bets. The win percentage jumps to 60% but very few plays.

Conviction not perfection.
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May 20th, 2021 at 9:23:06 AM permalink
T3 wrote alot about deck compositions. But I think he was using it for Spanish 21. The problem was he was trying to apply it to shoe games which created a stir.

It seems it had something to do with the count of Aces factored in differently than Hi Opt II required. Anyone remember? Is he out there?
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June 22nd, 2021 at 9:22:36 AM permalink
Out of respect to OnceDear and Billryan that no more attention is drawn to another thread, I comment here.

The 2 is as irelevant as the 8. That being said, those who built a library of old blackjack books now have plenty of kindling.😰

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