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June 4th, 2020 at 3:26:27 PM permalink
Hey folks
I dropped by El Cortez today. They are keeping the single deck BJ and dealing the cards face up. No more pitching and no touching the cards. What they will do is keep the deck to 2 hands and then shuffle again. Is this better or worse than the pitch game? Seats are limited to 3 players
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June 4th, 2020 at 3:54:11 PM permalink
Quote: sddude24

Hey folks
I dropped by El Cortez today. They are keeping the single deck BJ and dealing the cards face up. No more pitching and no touching the cards. What they will do is keep the deck to 2 hands and then shuffle again. Is this better or worse than the pitch game? Seats are limited to 3 players



Are they shuffling after 2 rounds regardless of whether there is 1 player or 3? I didn't notice the single deck penetration.

So strange thing, we have been seeing pictures in the paper and on the local news of the plastic shields dividing the players and dividing the player / dealer. El Cortez is actually one of the properties they were showing those shields on the news. I saw exactly 2 tables outfitted with shields and must have been 6-8 without, just reduced to 3 chairs. I mean I think the shields are kind of dumb anyway. Air flows! it can make it up, over and past the shield. lol

One good thing about El Cortez, from my stand point was I noticed higher minimums at the BJ tables. The table I played was $15, when it normally would be $5 on a weekday. Sorry for you $5 bettors, but that is helpful to me, especially if only limited spots, which didn't really seem to be an issue.
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June 4th, 2020 at 3:54:44 PM permalink
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June 4th, 2020 at 4:53:23 PM permalink
Trying to figure out how much I need for a $15 table session in Canada.
$450 US = $600 Canadian
Plus $50 gas, tolls & parking.
Sidenote: the border is closed
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June 4th, 2020 at 6:14:51 PM permalink
I am going to play there tomorrow. I will let you know more about the shuffle. I didn't see plexiglass on the $25 table
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June 7th, 2020 at 5:44:59 PM permalink
FYI: When I went in Friday someone had the table reserved all night so I didn't play.
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June 7th, 2020 at 7:49:10 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Trying to figure out how much I need for a $15 table session in Canada.
$450 US = $600 Canadian
Plus $50 gas, tolls & parking.
Sidenote: the border is closed



Are you in the wrong thread? What does this post have to do with OPs question?

For the OP: I'm assuming you are not counting? If you're not it doesn't make any difference whether the cards are face up, down, or sideways. If you are counting the penetration is probably terrible. Probably doesn't matter much anyway because they'll just kick you out for winning
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June 7th, 2020 at 10:58:48 PM permalink
Does the El Cortez single deck game have the following rules: 3:2; H17; D10,11; Split once (No resplitting) ?
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June 8th, 2020 at 9:44:26 AM permalink
I don't believe they restrict your initial splits, but it has been a while since I played there.
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June 8th, 2020 at 12:22:02 PM permalink
Is there DAS; Double after splitting?
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June 8th, 2020 at 12:28:14 PM permalink
Not on the low limit tables. They used to have a $25 table but I rarely played it.
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June 8th, 2020 at 8:42:19 PM permalink
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Not on the low limit tables. They used to have a $25 table but I rarely played it.



Did you rarely play it because it wasn't your regular stakes or because that particular game is a counter trap at that location? (and it most definitely is)
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June 8th, 2020 at 8:53:50 PM permalink
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Did you rarely play it because it wasn't your regular stakes or because that particular game is a counter trap at that location? (and it most definitely is)



They'd usually only deal two rounds so too much dead time, and at the $3 table I could spread to $30 or $50 on occasion. I wasn't a skilled enough actor to spread more than that.
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June 9th, 2020 at 1:21:00 PM permalink
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They'd usually only deal two rounds so too much dead time, and at the $3 table I could spread to $30 or $50 on occasion. I wasn't a skilled enough actor to spread more than that.



I don't play single deck at that establishment. Since they only have single and double deck, I guess that pretty much tells what I do play. lol.

I am not doubting you but shuffle after 2 rounds doesn't sound right, since usually there are only 1 or 2 players at the table. Do they use a cut card on single deck?
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June 9th, 2020 at 1:45:04 PM permalink
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I don't play single deck at that establishment. Since they only have single and double deck, I guess that pretty much tells what I do play. lol.

I am not doubting you but shuffle after 2 rounds doesn't sound right, since usually there are only 1 or 2 players at the table. Do they use a cut card on single deck?



Two rounds with more than one player. I don't remember ever playing solo.
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June 9th, 2020 at 2:46:29 PM permalink
My recollection is that at that location single deck was a specific number of rounds, whereas 2-deck was a cut card, a very slight amount more than 52 cards before the card came out, and then maybe a few more to complete the round in progress. Two players, single deck might have gone three rounds. Not sure. I think I saw that at a full table it might have been just one round. Never sat down at a six-handed single deck game.

At a two-deck game, there was a notch in the discard tray. After a shuffle, the double deck was put in the tray, the cut card was slid in using the notch, the game progressed, pitch, face up.

That was in September of 2019. Haven't been back since. And my memory sucks if in fact I don't remember correctly.
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June 17th, 2020 at 9:25:49 PM permalink
I did ultimately play the new "face up" at the EC ($25 table). Even though it was only me and the dealer they do indeed now shuffle after 2 hands
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July 3rd, 2020 at 6:32:48 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I don't play single deck at that establishment. Since they only have single and double deck, I guess that pretty much tells what I do play. lol.

I am not doubting you but shuffle after 2 rounds doesn't sound right, since usually there are only 1 or 2 players at the table. Do they use a cut card on single deck?



KJ, last time there it was Round of 6 for single deck. Never had less than 2 rounds no matter how many played. ASM. The real counter trap is the double deck. But this was right before shutdown after Covid in March. Heading there this weekend to see what changed and see if it's only 2 rounds no matter what like posters say. But the limits are so low on the single and there are so many newbies that play there, I wouldn't waste my time unless you want to hit and run while you are making your normal rounds.
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July 5th, 2020 at 2:43:14 PM permalink
Well it's like above posters said. They have plexiglass shields on SOME not ALL tables. Single deck is two rounds no matter how many players are playing. Drives dealers nuts, also. I mean it's not that fun to play two rounds when you are the only one at the table. But you can play more hands to increase penetration 'per se'. Just not really worth it.

Double deck is notch cut and as people know, there is a lot of "review' by pit crew on variations of bet size.
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July 5th, 2020 at 2:53:04 PM permalink
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Well it's like above posters said. They have plexiglass shields on SOME not ALL tables. Single deck is two rounds no matter how many players are playing. Drives dealers nuts, also. I mean it's not that fun to play two rounds when you are the only one at the table. But you can play more hands to increase penetration 'per se'. Just not really worth it.

Double deck is notch cut and as people know, there is a lot of "review' by pit crew on variations of bet size.



You mean like dealer calling checks play at $25 for a red chip player? lol.

Do you know a red chipper spreading $5-$25 draws more heat than a green chipper spreading about the same. lol.

I was at EC today for about 4 minutes to play off some free play. They had plexiglass or plastic installed between the video poker machines. First place I have seen doing that. Most just shutdown every other machine (or remove the chair).

The D asked for a room key or ID when entering today, along with the wrist temp check. First time they have asked for an id. El Cortez doesn't even do a temperature check. The temp check is for show anyway.
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July 5th, 2020 at 3:06:24 PM permalink
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You mean like dealer calling checks play at $25 for a red chip player? lol.

Do you know a red chipper spreading $5-$25 draws more heat than a green chipper spreading about the same. lol.

I was at EC today for about 4 minutes to play off some free play. They had plexiglass or plastic installed between the video poker machines. First place I have seen doing that. Most just shutdown every other machine (or remove the chair).



ROFL; right on KJ. It's hilarious. The first time I had $80 on a bet (3 green 1 red on top) and the dealer called out checks play. I told him he was wrong; that I didn't have $100 out; that he miscounted my green. The next time at a different table they called it out on two green chips. I asked him how could that be "checks play"; he said their rules were any bet over $50 was to be announced as "checks play"..........LOL

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July 5th, 2020 at 3:14:41 PM permalink
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he said their rules were any bet over $50 was to be announced as "checks play"..........LOL



I am not kidding, I have seen them call checks play on $25 bets at the $5 table, but it has to be a player that started out betting $5 and spread to $25. If a player starts out betting like $15 and ups to $25 they don't call checks play.

Now if you are betting green at a $5 or $10 table,, they usually call at the traditional $100. But if your staring bet is not $25, but say $50 or $75, you can usually bet well above $100 with no checks play call.

EC is definitely a "funny" place. And what draws heat and attention differs greatly depending on who is in the pit. :/
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