ChumpChange
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February 17th, 2020 at 6:33:23 PM permalink
At some point I've gotta stop bragging and take the money and run.
Minty
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February 17th, 2020 at 8:13:45 PM permalink
Quote: theOmega623

I assure you I am not thin skinned, nothing to do with hurt feelings, just dont see the point in taking time to post on a forum if it will not be met with any intellectual response or at least some quality conversation on the topics. I respect you asking me to continue posting and I will consider doing so, we all know that for most being an AP is a somewhat lonely experience, most people that you know in your every day life either don't understand what you do or take little interest in it. If some members of this forum would like to challenge parts of my post as incorrect, by all means do so. Saving money and slowly building a bankroll playing low stakes is neither stupid or anything to be ashamed of, in fact that is exactly how many players on the pro level started out, including myself. However, making condescending responses in an obvious attempt to make the posting member feel like an idiot not only brings down the quality of the forum and shows immaturity in the community, but it discourages newcomers from posting their thoughts and ideas. And it doesnt matter how long you have been here, being a jackass for 10 years doesn't impress anyone. I understand that the claim of making a million dollars playing Blackjack is a bold statement, hence the part in the beginning when I first described it as extremely difficult, but acting as if it's impossible to do so is simply not true as it has been done. I apologize for the lengthy response, I come here hoping to build relationships with other professionals and I look forward to hearing your experiences as well!



Your initial post on this thread reminds me a bit of the A to Z Card Counting article. I think that article is something really helpful to people looking to get a start at AP and learn more about it. Nothing shameful or wrong with your post; you're just being teased since many of the forum members here are pretty skilled APs with a diverse skill set or they're casino personnel who've heard it all before. Your post wasn't bad, it's just been said before.
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jjjoooggg
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February 17th, 2020 at 8:37:30 PM permalink
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How to make a million dollars playing Blackjack!

Now I know what you're thinking by now, this is just a bunch of bullshit! Before then you will just be trespassed by every Casino in the Country and probably end up broke..but try telling that to guys like Tommy Hyland who have been doing this for decades! Guys like KC, Ryemo, Yoshi and myself who are doing this now, or Colin Jones who made millions by not only trusting the math, but inspiring others to do the same! My purpose of this post, if nothing else, is to provide an interesting read and hopefully inspire someone the way I have been inspired. Hope to hear some feedback from you guys!

- Omega



wikipedia:
"In 2011, The Church Team disbanded when it became “less fun and less profitable.” Eventually many casinos caught on, and banned members from playing their tables."

I don't think that it will be as easy to play under the radar at the level you are suggesting for long. Surveillance watches pink action carefully.

If you want to fly under the radar, half or more of your profit goes to travel expenses. I think a tech job or franchisee would make more ROI. You'd probably have to enjoy the process of card counting as much as or more than the money. I saw a youtube title making $500 /day mowing lawns.
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onenickelmiracle
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February 17th, 2020 at 11:09:26 PM permalink
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I am currently spreading green chips making what I consider a good amount, certainly have not made any millions but have logged about 120 hours this year already and up a good amount. The $17 per hr amount was just an example to show that you can make at least minimum wage playing blackjack even with a small starting bankroll with the opportunity to make much more in the long run, I thought that point would have been obvious. I can see already that posting on this particular forum is a waste of time, I think I will network elsewhere. Good luck guys



How many hours the average for someone to learn this skill? I'm just wondering, not really interested and don't think I have the mental sharpness needed.
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theOmega623
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February 18th, 2020 at 2:50:14 AM permalink
@minty Thank you, I thought A-Z Card Counting by Romes was an excellent post and for recreational players looking to transition to pro or semi-pro they need all the help they can get. Thanks for the response
theOmega623
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February 18th, 2020 at 2:57:27 AM permalink
@jjjoooggg You know to my surprise, I really havent experienced much heat so far in my career. A lot of times Casino personnel seem uninterested in my play, and typically if the $25 tables are empty and the $10 tables aren't very packed (as I typically play early in the morning), I will play with others just to be social and blend in. I've had conversations laughing with pit bosses as I am placing maximum bets, but this definitely varies greatly from place to place and this may be very different when playing at the black chip level. I recently spoke with Colin and he said he still plays from time to time, also watched an interview he did with Tommy Hyland and he said he still gets in around 300 hours a year even after all the years he has been playing. I think you just have to play and if they throw you out, so be it.
billryan
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February 18th, 2020 at 4:19:00 AM permalink
Clarify something please. Is the first post your original idea or is it. It and pasted?
It seems to imply that you've already made a million but then you post about being fairly new.
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theOmega623
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February 18th, 2020 at 4:31:09 AM permalink
The first post is my original idea and I certainly didnt mean to imply that I have made a million dollars, just thought it would be an interesting topic on how it could theoretically be done. I am not new to this forum or Card Counting but have very rarely posted while taking time off from playing. I have recently started back playing and networking.
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February 18th, 2020 at 7:12:53 AM permalink
Quote: theOmega623

@jjjoooggg You know to my surprise, I really havent experienced much heat so far in my career. A lot of times Casino personnel seem uninterested in my play, and typically if the $25 tables are empty and the $10 tables aren't very packed (as I typically play early in the morning), I will play with others just to be social and blend in. I've had conversations laughing with pit bosses as I am placing maximum bets, but this definitely varies greatly from place to place and this may be very different when playing at the black chip level. I recently spoke with Colin and he said he still plays from time to time, also watched an interview he did with Tommy Hyland and he said he still gets in around 300 hours a year even after all the years he has been playing. I think you just have to play and if they throw you out, so be it.



I have a friend who is a financial advisor and a high roller. I took him on a junket to one of my favorite casinos a couple years ago, among a group of friends and the woman he was dating. He made some pre-arrangements before he arrived, but the pertinent part to this thread was that he was allowed to spread his BJ play from one hand at $100 to 3 hands at $5000 each while playing a 6 deck shoe.

So it's not just spread that gets people 86'd. And I don't know who set the table min/max, but might have been the casino rather than him. I know he played for 25k/hand (and sometimes spread) at MGM Grand the previous month, so I don't think he set it.

This was not in LV, but they offered the best they had.

This was the first time he'd been to this casino, though it's part of a chain, and he had a system host who set things up. Perhaps part of that was the host vouching for him not being an AP - I wasn't part of that negotiation.

Some of the details:

They kept a reserved table for him open and staffed, 24/7 for 4 days straight. Not just a dealer, but a floor, and a security guard.

No one else was allowed to play there. There was a scuffle while I was hanging with him when a German-speaking high-roller tried to sit down and was rebuffed, got angry and loud and had to be moved out by security and the pit boss (both of whom were assigned to the table). I really doubt they wanted to piss off this other guy, but he got 100% stiff-armed without apology anyway.

There was a constantly replenished table of food and drink behind us. Nice for grazing.

They had a fully stocked 2 br suite with full bar and snacks, open movie channels, all the perks.

We were all comped to anything we wanted in the spa, and golf course if we wanted to play.

We had dinner on the casino at the best restaurant in town on them, including about 1k in wine, and their limo transport over there. Limos suck, btw, unless you sit right at the door. You have to crawl on hands and knees to your seat. Funny how it's a status symbol.

Not sure how he came out. I didn't see him do markers, but he started with 2-100k racks of yellows, so I think he had front money at the cage and just did his stuff there rather than at the table. If he had a rebate or other discount set, he didn't say (and I didn't ask). I would guess he might have played 20 hours over the 4 days.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
theOmega623
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February 18th, 2020 at 7:28:32 AM permalink
Wow that's insane, I cant imagine what it would feel like to have that amount of money riding on a hand..makes you wonder if it was some kind of advantage play. That's a lot of playing time with that kind of action. I've heard some pretty incredible stories on podcasts on some of the things players have done to get away with their plays and insane comps. I've never actually been inside a limo, but nice to know they are overrated lol

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