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RS
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January 5th, 2019 at 1:58:53 AM permalink
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Not true is most cases. They choose to follow most Federal Law. They dont have to. They are their own Nation.

At the previous Tribe I worked for, they did not follow Federal sexual harrassment guidelines. At my current location, they can grow and sell marijuana if they choose and be safe from Federal issues.


ZCore13


my emphasis


Uhhhhhhhhhh.........what????? Indians must still follow federal laws.

I mean, I guess you can argue they don't HAVE TO follow federal law, just as I don't have to follow federal law either, or anyone for that matter. But we are all subject to federal law.



To be more specific, the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government and the Judicial Branch have no authority over Indian Tribes. Only Congress has authority to deal with Tribal Entities.

A few things that Tribes benefit from:

You can't sue a Tribe in Federal Court.
The First Amendment does not hold up on Tribal Land.
Tribes have immunity to Federal Civil crimes.

There are many more. In general, Tribes are left to make their own rules/laws, but in general, they follow most Federal guidlines.

It's quite a tricky situation.


ZCore13


See? That wasn't so hard. Thanks. Much better than, "They choose to follow most federal law. They don't have to."
ZenKinG
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January 5th, 2019 at 2:24:57 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Quote: RS

Quote: Zcore13

Not true is most cases. They choose to follow most Federal Law. They dont have to. They are their own Nation.

At the previous Tribe I worked for, they did not follow Federal sexual harrassment guidelines. At my current location, they can grow and sell marijuana if they choose and be safe from Federal issues.


ZCore13


my emphasis


Uhhhhhhhhhh.........what????? Indians must still follow federal laws.

I mean, I guess you can argue they don't HAVE TO follow federal law, just as I don't have to follow federal law either, or anyone for that matter. But we are all subject to federal law.



To be more specific, the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government and the Judicial Branch have no authority over Indian Tribes. Only Congress has authority to deal with Tribal Entities.

A few things that Tribes benefit from:

You can't sue a Tribe in Federal Court.
The First Amendment does not hold up on Tribal Land.
Tribes have immunity to Federal Civil crimes.

There are many more. In general, Tribes are left to make their own rules/laws, but in general, they follow most Federal guidlines.

It's quite a tricky situation.


ZCore13



You mention the Executive branch and the judicial branch having no authority over indian tribes, but then you mention Congress as a whole having the authority. LOL. Do you realize you just made no sense and that's the same exact thing? You sound like another brainwashed employee. The tribe has really gotten to your head.

D.R.O.N.E
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 5th, 2019 at 2:28:33 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Quote: Zcore13

Quote: RS

Quote: Zcore13

Not true is most cases. They choose to follow most Federal Law. They dont have to. They are their own Nation.

At the previous Tribe I worked for, they did not follow Federal sexual harrassment guidelines. At my current location, they can grow and sell marijuana if they choose and be safe from Federal issues.


ZCore13


my emphasis


Uhhhhhhhhhh.........what????? Indians must still follow federal laws.

I mean, I guess you can argue they don't HAVE TO follow federal law, just as I don't have to follow federal law either, or anyone for that matter. But we are all subject to federal law.



To be more specific, the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government and the Judicial Branch have no authority over Indian Tribes. Only Congress has authority to deal with Tribal Entities.

A few things that Tribes benefit from:

You can't sue a Tribe in Federal Court.
The First Amendment does not hold up on Tribal Land.
Tribes have immunity to Federal Civil crimes.

There are many more. In general, Tribes are left to make their own rules/laws, but in general, they follow most Federal guidlines.

It's quite a tricky situation.


ZCore13



You mention the Executive branch and the judicial branch having no authority over indian tribes, but then you mention Congress as a whole having the authority. LOL. Do you realize you just made no sense and that's the same exact thing? You sound like another brainwashed employee. The tribe has really gotten to your head.

D.R.O.N.E

DO NOT CALL OTHER MEMBERS 'DRONE'. Using it with dots like some sort of signature will not temper it's impact as a personal insult.
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..
Zcore13
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January 5th, 2019 at 3:13:00 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: ZenKinG

Quote: Zcore13

Quote: RS

Quote: Zcore13

Not true is most cases. They choose to follow most Federal Law. They dont have to. They are their own Nation.

At the previous Tribe I worked for, they did not follow Federal sexual harrassment guidelines. At my current location, they can grow and sell marijuana if they choose and be safe from Federal issues.


ZCore13


my emphasis


Uhhhhhhhhhh.........what????? Indians must still follow federal laws.

I mean, I guess you can argue they don't HAVE TO follow federal law, just as I don't have to follow federal law either, or anyone for that matter. But we are all subject to federal law.



To be more specific, the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government and the Judicial Branch have no authority over Indian Tribes. Only Congress has authority to deal with Tribal Entities.

A few things that Tribes benefit from:

You can't sue a Tribe in Federal Court.
The First Amendment does not hold up on Tribal Land.
Tribes have immunity to Federal Civil crimes.

There are many more. In general, Tribes are left to make their own rules/laws, but in general, they follow most Federal guidlines.

It's quite a tricky situation.


ZCore13



You mention the Executive branch and the judicial branch having no authority over indian tribes, but then you mention Congress as a whole having the authority. LOL. Do you realize you just made no sense and that's the same exact thing? You sound like another brainwashed employee. The tribe has really gotten to your head.

D.R.O.N.E

DO NOT CALL OTHER MEMBERS 'DRONE'. Using it with dots like some sort of signature will not temper it's impact as a personal insult.



He's allowed to break the rules because you like his content?


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Zcore13
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January 5th, 2019 at 3:24:03 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Quote: Zcore13

Quote: RS

Quote: Zcore13

Not true is most cases. They choose to follow most Federal Law. They dont have to. They are their own Nation.

At the previous Tribe I worked for, they did not follow Federal sexual harrassment guidelines. At my current location, they can grow and sell marijuana if they choose and be safe from Federal issues.


ZCore13


my emphasis


Uhhhhhhhhhh.........what????? Indians must still follow federal laws.

I mean, I guess you can argue they don't HAVE TO follow federal law, just as I don't have to follow federal law either, or anyone for that matter. But we are all subject to federal law.



To be more specific, the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government and the Judicial Branch have no authority over Indian Tribes. Only Congress has authority to deal with Tribal Entities.

A few things that Tribes benefit from:

You can't sue a Tribe in Federal Court.
The First Amendment does not hold up on Tribal Land.
Tribes have immunity to Federal Civil crimes.

There are many more. In general, Tribes are left to make their own rules/laws, but in general, they follow most Federal guidlines.

It's quite a tricky situation.


ZCore13



You mention the Executive branch and the judicial branch having no authority over indian tribes, but then you mention Congress as a whole having the authority. LOL. Do you realize you just made no sense and that's the same exact thing? You sound like another brainwashed employee. The tribe has really gotten to your head.

D.R.O.N.E



Wow. I guess you will just now learn that CongressThat's the Senate and House) is in the Legislative Branch. You just keep topping yourself.


ZCore13
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ZenKinG
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RS
January 5th, 2019 at 3:44:01 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Quote: ZenKinG

Quote: Zcore13

Quote: RS

Quote: Zcore13

Not true is most cases. They choose to follow most Federal Law. They dont have to. They are their own Nation.

At the previous Tribe I worked for, they did not follow Federal sexual harrassment guidelines. At my current location, they can grow and sell marijuana if they choose and be safe from Federal issues.


ZCore13


my emphasis


Uhhhhhhhhhh.........what????? Indians must still follow federal laws.

I mean, I guess you can argue they don't HAVE TO follow federal law, just as I don't have to follow federal law either, or anyone for that matter. But we are all subject to federal law.



To be more specific, the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government and the Judicial Branch have no authority over Indian Tribes. Only Congress has authority to deal with Tribal Entities.

A few things that Tribes benefit from:

You can't sue a Tribe in Federal Court.
The First Amendment does not hold up on Tribal Land.
Tribes have immunity to Federal Civil crimes.

There are many more. In general, Tribes are left to make their own rules/laws, but in general, they follow most Federal guidlines.

It's quite a tricky situation.


ZCore13



You mention the Executive branch and the judicial branch having no authority over indian tribes, but then you mention Congress as a whole having the authority. LOL. Do you realize you just made no sense and that's the same exact thing? You sound like another brainwashed employee. The tribe has really gotten to your head.

D.R.O.N.E



Wow. I guess you will just now learn that CongressThat's the Senate and House) is in the Legislative Branch. You just keep topping yourself.


ZCore13



I understand that. Once again you missed the point of my post. Go ahead and tell me what the legislative branch does and what's the end game regarding that for indians? Congress makes and passes the laws. Therefore that's all that matters to who controls who.

Try again. I can own you all night
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
Zcore13
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January 5th, 2019 at 4:08:19 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Quote: Zcore13

Quote: ZenKinG

Quote: Zcore13

Quote: RS

Quote: Zcore13

Not true is most cases. They choose to follow most Federal Law. They dont have to. They are their own Nation.

At the previous Tribe I worked for, they did not follow Federal sexual harrassment guidelines. At my current location, they can grow and sell marijuana if they choose and be safe from Federal issues.


ZCore13


my emphasis


Uhhhhhhhhhh.........what????? Indians must still follow federal laws.

I mean, I guess you can argue they don't HAVE TO follow federal law, just as I don't have to follow federal law either, or anyone for that matter. But we are all subject to federal law.



To be more specific, the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government and the Judicial Branch have no authority over Indian Tribes. Only Congress has authority to deal with Tribal Entities.

A few things that Tribes benefit from:

You can't sue a Tribe in Federal Court.
The First Amendment does not hold up on Tribal Land.
Tribes have immunity to Federal Civil crimes.

There are many more. In general, Tribes are left to make their own rules/laws, but in general, they follow most Federal guidlines.

It's quite a tricky situation.


ZCore13



You mention the Executive branch and the judicial branch having no authority over indian tribes, but then you mention Congress as a whole having the authority. LOL. Do you realize you just made no sense and that's the same exact thing? You sound like another brainwashed employee. The tribe has really gotten to your head.

D.R.O.N.E



Wow. I guess you will just now learn that CongressThat's the Senate and House) is in the Legislative Branch. You just keep topping yourself.


ZCore13



I understand that. Once again you missed the point of my post. Go ahead and tell me what the legislative branch does and what's the end game regarding that for indians? Congress makes and passes the laws. Therefore that's all that matters to who controls who.

Try again. I can own you all night



Lol. Let me know when you start. Here's your quote:

Quote:

You mention the Executive branch and the judicial branch having no authority over indian tribes, but then you mention Congress as a whole having the authority. LOL. Do you realize you just made no sense and that's the same exact thing?



Remember it? How you said Congress is the exact same thing as the Executive Branch and/or the Judicial Branch. Because when I separated Congress from them I made no sense.

If tomorrow a Tribe decided they no longer want to follow the 2nd Ammendment, it would go to Congress. Congress would review and say, well they are a Sovereign Nation and if they don't want their people to have the 2nd Ammendment, they don't have to. And just like that it would be gone from the Tribes laws. Tribes decide what they want and don't want in most cases. They happen to want many of the things non Tribal Citizens want, but not all.

Anyway, if you want I can teach you more about U.S and Tribal Governments outside of here. Maybe when you come to Az.



ZCore13
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January 5th, 2019 at 4:47:39 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

He's allowed to break the rules because you like his content?


I interpret the extent to which he breaks the rules and act accordingly. Same for everyone.
I'm not the only one who likes and engages with his content. Do i like his content? Yes. it amuses me. It seems to amuse you too.
Does that influence my tolerance of his infractions? Yes. Probably.
Do I like HIM and dislike others personally and let that bias my judgement? I assert not.
Note that it was me that suspended him last time for a whole month. The longest non-nuke I've ever issued. I sincerely don't want to suspend him again and he can easily prevent that.
At any time, another mod can over-rule me and that would not upset me at all.
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..
Zcore13
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January 5th, 2019 at 5:02:51 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

I interpret the extent to which he breaks the rules and act accordingly. Same for everyone.
I'm not the only one who likes and engages with his content. Do i like his content? Yes. it amuses me. It seems to amuse you too.
Does that influence my tolerance of his infractions? Yes. Probably.
Do I like HIM and dislike others personally and let that bias my judgement? I assert not.
Note that it was me that suspended him last time for a whole month. The longest non-nuke I've ever issued. I sincerely don't want to suspend him again and he can easily prevent that.
At any time, another mod can over-rule me and that would not upset me at all.



Quite a dilema... he personally does not amuse me, but his antics do. I've never asked a Mod to suspend anyone and he certainly doesn't need any help in that category. I do question a higher tolerance of anybody who you might be fond of, but I can't say I wouldn't be the same way if I was in your shoes, so it's probably more a question of you to question yourself. Lol.


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
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January 5th, 2019 at 5:15:07 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Quite a dilema... he personally does not amuse me, but his antics do. I've never asked a Mod to suspend anyone and he certainly doesn't need any help in that category. I do question a higher tolerance of anybody who you might be fond of, but I can't say I wouldn't be the same way if I was in your shoes, so it's probably more a question of you to question yourself. Lol.


ZCore13

I don't think we have a problem.
I neither like nor dislike Zenking. I like to think that even if i did, it would not influence my judgement or actions.
I DO like his posts and it's those post which are tolerated* or not. But yes... i do ask myself and check my own thinking and I don't object when you and others remind me to.

*I suspect I'm more tolerant than some mods. Maybe by posting my warning, I can prevent the odd suspension. It doesn't always work out that way :o)
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..

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