TomG
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October 8th, 2010 at 2:27:02 PM permalink
The correct answer is that it absolutely does make a difference. The card you see is absolutely going to be a different card than otherwise

Just because the difference is just as likely to be profitable as it is to be a loss doesn't mean their isn't a difference
mkl654321
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October 8th, 2010 at 3:31:23 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

The correct answer is that it absolutely does make a difference. The card you see is absolutely going to be a different card than otherwise

Just because the difference is just as likely to be profitable as it is to be a loss doesn't mean their isn't a difference



No. There is no difference. This is a concept that escapes many people. One random outcome with the same set of possibilities is the same as another. You can take the first card or the second card or the 25th card. In each case it will be a randomly chosen card. All equivalent random choices are equal.

What you are failing to see is that the "difference" you are referring to is AFTER THE OUTCOME IS KNOWN. Before the outcome is known, there is no difference between choosing one random outcome and another.

Here's an example. I draw a ticket out of a drum, but before I look at it, I throw it back it the drum and choose another. Now, did my decision to draw a different ticket affect any single ticket's chances of being drawn? Of course not. (And if you don't see why, I give up.)
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mrjjj
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October 8th, 2010 at 4:17:15 PM permalink
Not trying to stir the pot but this is WHY I ask on other boards. The MORE views being posted, the better insight. Ken
TheNightfly
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October 8th, 2010 at 4:28:13 PM permalink
Of course you're trying to stir the pot... why else would you ask?

Why don't you let everyone know your view? Please, tell us what you think about the question? That way no one will think you're stirring the pot. Once you've posted your opinion then you'll be much less likely to straddle the fence.

The fact is that for one hand it is possibly going to change the outcome of your hand. If you only play one hand of blackjack then yes, it can make a difference. If you play any amount of blackjack beyond one hand then the more hands you play the less effect it will have as a "bad" play will sometimes hurt you and sometimes be of benefit. Once you play into the hundreds and then thousands (and tens of thousands) of hands it will have a negligible effect on your bankroll.

That is what is meant by the long term. Anyone can point to one hand or one streak of cards (or spins or rolls) and looking back, point out what could have been done to make a positive difference for the player. No one can take that information and show how it will have any effect on future outcomes apart from a diligent card counter who then still only has a slight mathematical advantage and this still does not preclude the possiblilty of having a losing session.
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mrjjj
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October 8th, 2010 at 4:35:22 PM permalink
My view and whether I'm correct or not could be two different things. I THINK, it really makes no difference if the player next to me is taking hits when he should not. Am I right? I dont know. Like I said in the post. I was talking to ANOTHER fellow gambler and the subject came up. You have missed my point. I could ask on 8 different roulette boards....is the world round? I PROMISE you, not everyone will agree with each other. Your logic is goofy. So if a person ASKS a legit question....they are stirring the pot? lol Ken
benbakdoff
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October 9th, 2010 at 3:55:53 AM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

My view and whether I'm correct or not could be two different things. I THINK, it really makes no difference if the player next to me is taking hits when he should not. Am I right? I dont know. Like I said in the post. I was talking to ANOTHER fellow gambler and the subject came up. You have missed my point. I could ask on 8 different roulette boards....is the world round? I PROMISE you, not everyone will agree with each other. Your logic is goofy. So if a person ASKS a legit question....they are stirring the pot? lol Ken



Yes Ken, you are definitely right. Are you thinking of playing blackjack? You might be good at it.
mrjjj
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October 9th, 2010 at 4:06:15 AM permalink
Quote: benbakdoff

Yes Ken, you are definitely right. Are you thinking of playing blackjack? You might be good at it.

....No, I might play four times a year. I read many years ago, pick ONE casino game. Study every damn thing about it. Commit ONLY to that game, master it (open to definition). I picked roulette years ago and am glad I did. Ken
rdw4potus
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October 9th, 2010 at 9:46:01 AM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

I could ask on 8 different roulette boards....is the world round? I PROMISE you, not everyone will agree with each other.




Hmmm...Yep. And that's about all you need to know about serious Roulette players right there:-)
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SOOPOO
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October 9th, 2010 at 10:42:32 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Hmmm...Yep. And that's about all you need to know about serious Roulette players right there:-)



Great answer!!!!!!!
mrjjj
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October 9th, 2010 at 12:02:55 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Great answer!!!!!!!

....No prob, I can rephrase. You could go to ANY of 8 boards of ANY subject and ask that question. Guess what? Most likely not everyone would agree. I love how inconsistent some (not all) people are. lol Some ask, why post the SAME question on other boards? Well, I get many DIFFERENT answers, soooo, doesn't that kind of explain the 'why' of it? How boring to pick ONE board to ask a question when YOU KNOW ALREADY, the SAME goofs handing out the SAME 'ole one sided bias answer. lol The MORE opinions, the BETTER, no doubt. Ken

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