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OnceDear
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February 16th, 2018 at 11:35:45 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

What did the folks at those forums do to deserve that?

I'm sure ZK was offered every ounce of practical and moral support possible. Warnings, hints, sage advice and even the odd spreadsheet. He seldom gives a steady reaction, either grumbling and threatening to beat up the casino staff, or accusing the mob of controlling Vegas or else Chinese cards are stacked against him. Oh, and when he wins he's a genius.
We had folks set out on AP careers before: Stabworld comes to mind. He/they generally sucked in the wisdom, used it and took their chances with good grace. ZK is obviously still lacking a certain something: Temperament. Hope he stays hydrated. WMW will maybe help him with a few tips on temperament.
OMG, Me and WMW agree on something. Call 911.
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February 16th, 2018 at 11:40:03 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

200 hours in almost 9 months since moving to LV, and 1100 total career hours? Hoping I interpreted that wrong, at his BR and stakes he should be closing in on 1100 hours played in 9 months, should have 900, I know thatís not so easy but totally realistic. And with 1000 hours in you would not be down if youíre playing a winning game on decent games. 200 hours X maybe $75/hr, 15k EV. 9 months living expenses at say 1500, do the math, the formula inevitably is going to lead to ruin, you have to put in a lot of hours or have a job/no expenses, or get lucky, to make it work. Never gave yourself a real chance.



It was all fun and games until you started posting here and making sense bruh
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February 16th, 2018 at 11:47:17 AM permalink
Well, we all can't be Don Johnson or Mr. Thorpe, can we? Nothing personal, but clearly this is not your calling so go find greener pastures
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February 16th, 2018 at 11:57:47 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

ZK is obviously still lacking a certain something: Temperament. Hope he stays hydrated. WMW will maybe help him with a few tips on temperament.
OMG, Me and WMW agree on something. Call 911.
$:o)



Mr or Ma'am Once Dear, If , by chance, you are ever in the US (Im presume you are overseas based upon your language), I would love to take you to play some craps. Open invitation. Im on the East Coast. Any time! I promise you that you will have a change of heart and walk away saying... Damn , that boy is fr$#$% good!
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
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February 16th, 2018 at 11:58:28 AM permalink
Quote: MrBo

I don't see the cursed aspect. I see normal variance that apparently he doesn't understand or recognize. Again, it seems we are back to unrealistic expectations and a lack of fundamental understanding of how card counting works.

I get the feeling members here are not willing, nor interested in helping provide a fundamental understanding of card counting because of this members attitude. Would it be against the rules to direct him to a forum more specifically about blackjack like BJ21, blackjack the forum or blackjackinfo where there might be members more willing to help?



Do you feel like ZenKing asked specific questions about card counting that were not addressed? or that there is insufficient info presented in the readily-searchable hundreds of posts on this site about how to count, how hard it is to count, how wild the swings while counting are, etc.? What do they do differently at BJ21? Do they really start from scratch every time a new person wants to talk about counting?
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February 16th, 2018 at 12:17:02 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Mr or Ma'am Once Dear, If , by chance, you are ever in the US (Im presume you are overseas based upon your language), I would love to take you to play some craps. Open invitation. Im on the East Coast. Any time! I promise you that you will have a change of heart and walk away saying... Damn , that boy is fr$#$% good!


Thanks for the invite. OFC, I'm male and a Brit in the UK. May visit Vegas in November. East-Coast unlikely ever.
It may cheer you to know I just hit and run my own online game £150 in £250 out. That's me done for the night.
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February 16th, 2018 at 12:20:00 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Do you feel like ZenKing asked specific questions about card counting that were not addressed? or that there is insufficient info presented in the readily-searchable hundreds of posts on this site about how to count, how hard it is to count, how wild the swings while counting are, etc.? What do they do differently at BJ21? Do they really start from scratch every time a new person wants to talk about counting?



ZK felt that the casinos were cheating him. He identified his own SD being at about -2 or 5th percentile. He understands this, deep down.

He waffled between being cheated (probably false), being unlucky (probably true), being lucky (true only when he was appearing a comeback), and being the greatest (always).

People on the forum tried to help him branch out to other games. People on the forum tried to have him keep plugging away at his game. Others identified problems that he had with his attitude. Others deny his existence. Others denied his abilities. Some did all five.

Frankly, however, his pattern was that the maturity to weather the downturns and just chalk it up to bad luck which will always happening, even on the first attempt, was lacking.

None of us of course can disprove that the casinos were using preshuffled somewhere in China with missing cards. Because some casinos wouldn't show the cards face up to him, he was able to carry on his belief until it came reality for him.

Certainly one can feel the sting of bad luck. I've had some stunningly bad luck at VP, but I've come to the realization that some of it is my fault (I am not a perfect VP player, for example). I've thought that the machine was cheating me (in the moment) but I've gone back home and done the math and realized that I was probably just unlucky. Now, of course, to have proof that the machine was cheating me, I'd have to do some rigorous testing on that machine that would look at the distribution of cards. I've done that on the floor at times, looking for the distribution of Aces or Twos in a game, and counting the number of times I would get 4-of-a-kinds against the number of hands played.

But it is one thing to say bad luck and another to come up with a theory that you in particular is being cheated. One has to remember that when, at VP, you see another person on another machine pull out a 12x 4A for thousands, or a Royal. It happens, probably as often as you expect. The same is true in Table Games. For every person running -2, there is likely another person running +2 (standard deviations, not units), assuming that they know their own normal, accounting for their play.
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February 16th, 2018 at 12:23:45 PM permalink
And another one bites the dust, right?
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February 16th, 2018 at 12:31:58 PM permalink
Quote: Lucca3927

And another one bites the dust, right?

ZK will be back. He just feels a bit sore, understandably so. I expect his ban for the F-bomb will be short, even with his past form. Will he ever control his emotions? No room for them in his game.
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..
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February 16th, 2018 at 12:39:55 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear


It may cheer you to know I just hit and run my own online game £150 in £200 out. That's me done for the night.

Exactly! Good work! Chip Chip Chip!
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'

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