May 2nd, 2017 at 8:02:17 AM
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I don't remember what this game is exactly called, but it's at Motor City in Detroit. The main hook is that there's a $5 side bet where if you get blackjack, you get to press a button to spin a digital wheel. I believe the possible landing spots are $50, $55, $60, $65, $70, $80, $90, $100, $250, $500, $1,000, and Jackpot (which is always $5,000). If you get one ace, you get even money (same for two aces I believe).

Predictably, people who spin the wheel mostly get the lower payouts. I have seen a guy get $1,000 on there before. I've played a few times since I try almost everything. Best I did was $500 and $250 on back-to-back hands! I have no clue how you would figure out a house edge on this game since I have no idea how the mechanics of the wheel work or what the odds or paybacks are. Also, it's a 6/5 table...

Predictably, people who spin the wheel mostly get the lower payouts. I have seen a guy get $1,000 on there before. I've played a few times since I try almost everything. Best I did was $500 and $250 on back-to-back hands! I have no clue how you would figure out a house edge on this game since I have no idea how the mechanics of the wheel work or what the odds or paybacks are. Also, it's a 6/5 table...

May 2nd, 2017 at 8:08:12 AM
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They have this wheel at the MGM in Vegas as well. It was at the 6/5 table with $15 min. You're right, it is probably impossible to figure out the HE on that one due to the unknown probability of the wheel.

May 2nd, 2017 at 8:12:03 AM
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Claudia, the table games manager at MC, once told me they'll never get 6:5. You can't trust these fools.

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May 2nd, 2017 at 8:31:11 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "if you get one ace... same for two aces." Are there Aces on the wheel and you just get even money to what you've already bet?

Ignoring the aces for now, and making the assumption that the payouts are NOT random and do NOT have the same probabiltiy of hitting... We'll take the average payout from the wheel to be one of the lower amounts at $60.

You'll hit a blackjack 1 in ~21 hands... from this you'll spin the wheel with an average payout of $60, however in this time frame you've bet $5 per hand on those 21 hands for a net loss on the side bet of $100 (the 1 you hit a BJ you get your $5 back I'd assume). Thus, you'd lose $40 per 21 hands and if they're playing at a "slow" rate of ~65 hands per hour, one could expect to lose $120/hour playing just this side bet.

***Again this is with a LOT of assumptions, but just to get the mathematical ball rolling on how bad this "appears" to be. Now if they were "somehow" all random and the same probability, then the average payback would be $610 (again also ignoring whatever these "aces" do). That could be interesting... If the Aces pay even money on whatever your bet is and you're betting an average of $50 (flat or ramp) then that could be interesting. I'd need to know how many aces are on the wheel.

Ignoring the aces for now, and making the assumption that the payouts are NOT random and do NOT have the same probabiltiy of hitting... We'll take the average payout from the wheel to be one of the lower amounts at $60.

You'll hit a blackjack 1 in ~21 hands... from this you'll spin the wheel with an average payout of $60, however in this time frame you've bet $5 per hand on those 21 hands for a net loss on the side bet of $100 (the 1 you hit a BJ you get your $5 back I'd assume). Thus, you'd lose $40 per 21 hands and if they're playing at a "slow" rate of ~65 hands per hour, one could expect to lose $120/hour playing just this side bet.

***Again this is with a LOT of assumptions, but just to get the mathematical ball rolling on how bad this "appears" to be. Now if they were "somehow" all random and the same probability, then the average payback would be $610 (again also ignoring whatever these "aces" do). That could be interesting... If the Aces pay even money on whatever your bet is and you're betting an average of $50 (flat or ramp) then that could be interesting. I'd need to know how many aces are on the wheel.

Playing it correctly means you've already won.

May 2nd, 2017 at 8:33:14 AM
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I'll see if I can get a picture of this at some point.

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May 2nd, 2017 at 8:42:43 AM
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Is it AGS's Spin Bonus?

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May 2nd, 2017 at 9:00:01 AM
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LOL... 6 hands in I got a blackjack, spun the wheel, and hit the $25k jackpot... This is where I dump all my money online to play this for real money, right?Quote:mrsuit31Is it AGS's Spin Bonus?

Playing it correctly means you've already won.

May 2nd, 2017 at 9:11:06 AM
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When the temporary MGM opened here, they had one table with a Monopoly side bet. I don't remember the limits of it, but you initiated it when you got a blackjack. When you did, Pennybags would ride a train around a Monopoly board. Then you pushed a big green button and it would "randomly" stop on a space and you'd get a multiplier for your side bet. If you bet $5 and hit a 15x space, you'd get $75. Never saw this anywhere else.

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May 2nd, 2017 at 10:53:23 AM
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Quote:RomesI'm not sure what you mean by "if you get one ace... same for two aces." Are there Aces on the wheel and you just get even money to what you've already bet?

To clarify, if you get one ace in your hand (but not blackjack), you get even money on your $5 side bet, meaning the dealer gives you $10 back. When I or someone else has gotten a pair of aces, we got the same payout, it's not like we got double or anything like that.

It's one of those side bets where the red circles light up and the dealer locks the side bets up in the rack. Also, it's typically a $10 table, but sometimes $15 during busier times.

May 2nd, 2017 at 12:13:15 PM
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Here's what a casino full of CSM's looks like.

There are a couple of tables open way down at the end but only a couple of players.

There are a couple of tables open way down at the end but only a couple of players.

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