D Day in Vegas
August 31st, 2017 at 2:58:38 PM
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I just want to understand the ground rules. Insults are ground for suspension, but evidently calling someone a hypocrite is not an insult.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 31st, 2017 at 3:08:00 PM
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Quote: billryanI just want to understand the ground rules. Insults are ground for suspension, but evidently calling someone a hypocrite is not an insult.
I still say it's definitely an insult. Is it not a derogatory term? To me you have this:
(Name) is a/an (Complimentary/Derogatory/Neutral term).
Okay, so what sort of term is hypocrite? I say derogatory. If you use a person's name and then say that they are a derogatory term, it is an insult. So, I agree with you. It's not rocket surgery.
Either way, there is some problem, apparently, with calling an insult an insult. Maybe it wasn't a, "Strong," enough insult. That's one opinion. So, now we're apparently supposed to be the all-mighty arbiters of what is or is not a strong enough insult. Well, that sure opens things us to accusations of favoritism, now doesn't it? Only way is to keep a list of every single word that has ever been used and note whether or not it is, "Strong," enough to be considered a ban worthy insult. Otherwise, it's going to be, "Oh, such-and-such just called so-and-so that three years, five months, nineteen days, six hours, thirteen minutes and forty-one seconds ago, why didn't such-and-such get Suspended?"
So, I'm going to make a ruling on this and here it is:
RULING:
Apparently, there was some question as to whether or not, "Hypocrite," is to be taken as an insult. Due to this lack of surety on the matter, I have rescinded ZenKing's ban but would like to make it known, henceforward, that calling someone a hypocrite will be an insult and the individual using it will be subject to Ban as if it were any other insult.
Remember: (Person/People) is/are a/an (Complimentary/Derogatory/Neutral word)...
If the answer is, "Derogatory," word, then that is an insult.
But, you obviously can say someone is, "Being hypocritical," or better still, "I think that saying x and then doing y is hypocritical."
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 31st, 2017 at 3:24:56 PM
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Fair enough. I'd have split the baby in two, myself but it isn't easy being green.
Patty cake, patty cake, barkeep man
Pour me a beer as fast as you can
What to do with all this sadness that I see
Lord knows it ain't easy being green
Shannon McNally
Patty cake, patty cake, barkeep man
Pour me a beer as fast as you can
What to do with all this sadness that I see
Lord knows it ain't easy being green
Shannon McNally
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 31st, 2017 at 3:29:24 PM
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Quote: billryanFair enough. I'd have split the baby in two, myself but it isn't easy being green.
Yep. Even he got silenced.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/kermit-the-frog-actor-firing-details-2017-7
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August 31st, 2017 at 4:04:32 PM
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In the UK parliament, if one member accuses another of being 'a liar', (even if it's obvious that the accused had lied) then that would be unparliamentary language, an insult, and therefore inappropriate. In polite conversation, one does not call another a liar, though one might say that an untruth has been spoken. It's about courtesy or etiquette. Similarly, one would not call another 'a hypocrite: One would suggest that the other's comments were hypocritical.
Thus, in this forum, It would seem that saying ' I find your attitude hypocritical' would be acceptable, but accusingly saying 'you are an hypocrite' would be considered an insult, even if obviously true. Same, of course goes for 'you are an ... idiot'.
I think 'respectful language' and commenting on the posts, not the poster, is the order of the day.
If someone called me out as a fat, ugly, old, w@nker, I'd suggest that the subjective and personal descriptive descriptions of fat and ugly were deemed as personal; insults. :o)
That said, I support Missions's original ban action as being a reasonable aggregate reaction. I also commend his withdrawing the ban.
Risking my own ban, I also commend the critical comments on ZK. His postings of late, did warrant some adverbs and adjectives.
Thus, in this forum, It would seem that saying ' I find your attitude hypocritical' would be acceptable, but accusingly saying 'you are an hypocrite' would be considered an insult, even if obviously true. Same, of course goes for 'you are an ... idiot'.
I think 'respectful language' and commenting on the posts, not the poster, is the order of the day.
If someone called me out as a fat, ugly, old, w@nker, I'd suggest that the subjective and personal descriptive descriptions of fat and ugly were deemed as personal; insults. :o)
That said, I support Missions's original ban action as being a reasonable aggregate reaction. I also commend his withdrawing the ban.
Risking my own ban, I also commend the critical comments on ZK. His postings of late, did warrant some adverbs and adjectives.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 31st, 2017 at 7:37:30 PM
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So then, it is okay to complain of another that "your comments stink like an unwashed anus," but it is a violation to say "you stink like an unwashed anus."
"What, me worry?"
August 31st, 2017 at 8:35:07 PM
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Quote: MrVSo then, it is okay to complain of another that "your comments stink like an unwashed anus," but it is a violation to say "you stink like an unwashed anus."
There could reasonably be some question as to whether or not the discussion of anuses, washed or otherwise, fall under the, "Keep it PG," rule in that context. Aside from that, I don't see how it would be a violation of the Rules to state that a post, "Stinks," provided a person gave supporting argument as to his/her position that a given post stinks. For someone to simply comment that a post, "Stinks," without supporting opinion (especially on multiple occasions or against the same poster) might constitute Trolling, of course.
ADDED: Since you asked, I'll use you as an example. If I were to go around quoting your posts constantly and saying, "This post stinks," or saying, "MrV's post stinks," without quoting you, I don't see how that wouldn't be Trolling. There really isn't that much that I am willing to identify as, 'Trolling,' for Banning purposes, but that would definitely rise to that level.
Again, I think someone could quote a post, say it stinks, and identify reasons why it may stink. It would be far less dogmatic, of course, to preface such a statement with, "In my opinion," or something along those lines. However, if someone made a habit out of disparaging the posts of another specific person (rather than arguing the content without making a general statement as to the entire post) even while providing what could be perceived as reasons for doing so, it could eventually become Trolling. That would depend mostly on the context.
That's why I tend to invoke, "Trolling," as a ban-worthy offense so sparingly. There is a ton of subjectivity in what does or does not constitute Trolling. Not so much when it comes to Personal Insult.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 31st, 2017 at 9:22:29 PM
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Heck, I got suspended for calling someone a maroon. If Bugs Bunny can use the word in a kids cartoon, you'd think you could say it in an adult conversation.
A poster here once replied that he hoped my dog was hit and killed by a car and he hoped I was there to see it.
I ask you which is worse?
A poster here once replied that he hoped my dog was hit and killed by a car and he hoped I was there to see it.
I ask you which is worse?
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 31st, 2017 at 9:37:40 PM
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I'll definitely stipulate the latter is worse. Although, I will say that if it was in a Political Thread my understanding is that the Rules are enforced more lightly in the Political Threads.
Furthermore, I have openly recused myself from any active Administration of Political Threads, so unless something is painfully obvious, I usually don't pay attention to it. Furthermore, those are also threads that I do not always even follow, whereas I read every word of gambling-related threads...well, maybe not EVERY word...but I at least skim every post.
Furthermore, I have openly recused myself from any active Administration of Political Threads, so unless something is painfully obvious, I usually don't pay attention to it. Furthermore, those are also threads that I do not always even follow, whereas I read every word of gambling-related threads...well, maybe not EVERY word...but I at least skim every post.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 31st, 2017 at 9:44:59 PM
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No, this was in a non-political thread. It was during a discussion of KJ. Someone who thought he was the best thing since sliced bread took exception to me bringing up inconsistencies in KJs story. No big deal, I had no idea KJ had gone so far off the tracks. It was my first week or so here. First Mike accused me of having multiple accounts and turned me into a newt( I got better and he apologized for his error) and then this fine howdoyoudo.
June 6th, 2016 at 6:09:44 PM
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Quote: billryan
Were you on that forum at the time or are you going by what he says now? I don't appreciate being called a liar, especially if its only based on the word of a guy who is a proven bullshitter. Was he homeless at the time? Who knows. I only know what he was claiming.
Yes I was, like I said your memory is likely shit on this was a long time ago, I didn't say you're a liar that's just one of two possibilities. Either you don't care to go back and look to find a post where the two of them go together, or you're being intentionally misleading about it to smear him because you don't care for his other antics, in either case if you don't have the time to prove that point and want to go about saying it its a low move either way. Hope your dog gets run over in front of you
June 6th, 2016 at 6:09:44 PM
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Quote: billryan
Were you on that forum at the time or are you going by what he says now? I don't appreciate being called a liar, especially if its only based on the word of a guy who is a proven bullshitter. Was he homeless at the time? Who knows. I only know what he was claiming.
Yes I was, like I said your memory is likely shit on this was a long time ago, I didn't say you're a liar that's just one of two possibilities. Either you don't care to go back and look to find a post where the two of them go together, or you're being intentionally misleading about it to smear him because you don't care for his other antics, in either case if you don't have the time to prove that point and want to go about saying it its a low move either way. Hope your dog gets run over in front of you
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The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 1st, 2017 at 2:20:39 AM
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Billryan, you first brought this lie up when you began posting here last year and now are bringing it up again. KJ NEVER said he was homeless when he began his blackjack career, nor that he began his career when he was 18.
You are conflating 2 different times. He was homeless when he was 18 for 3 months while finishing high school. Then moved to Phila, got a job, apartment (roommate) and began playing blackjack 3 years later.
McAllister called you out on this last year saying you either mis-remembered or are intentionally lying for the purpose of smearing his name. And now a year later, you are bringing it up yet again, which makes it seem like you are intentionally lying.
Since the record is still there at Blackjackinfo, now owned by the owners of this site, please point us to where KJ said he began his BJ career at 18 or that he was homeless at any time during his career. Either that or man up that you are mistaken as McAllister suggested last year.
You are conflating 2 different times. He was homeless when he was 18 for 3 months while finishing high school. Then moved to Phila, got a job, apartment (roommate) and began playing blackjack 3 years later.
McAllister called you out on this last year saying you either mis-remembered or are intentionally lying for the purpose of smearing his name. And now a year later, you are bringing it up yet again, which makes it seem like you are intentionally lying.
Since the record is still there at Blackjackinfo, now owned by the owners of this site, please point us to where KJ said he began his BJ career at 18 or that he was homeless at any time during his career. Either that or man up that you are mistaken as McAllister suggested last year.
September 1st, 2017 at 2:43:16 AM
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And while I have a minute here, Zenking, just be quiet. You are not among friends here. Most participating in this thread, want to see you fail. Frankly you brought that on yourself. You venting and posting about your losses only makes them happy.
Originally, I thought this thread had value in showing the swings that a midlevel card counter goes through to newer players, as well as the frustrations that a fulltime player goes through. But now that is all lost, as these guys are all just rooting against you. There is no value to yourself to continue to feed them. Just clam up and go out and prove them wrong, then periodically report how it is going. But stop the venting each time you take a swing towards the negative. And frankly your swings of 5 grand-ish are very normal, very routine. Get used to them.
Originally, I thought this thread had value in showing the swings that a midlevel card counter goes through to newer players, as well as the frustrations that a fulltime player goes through. But now that is all lost, as these guys are all just rooting against you. There is no value to yourself to continue to feed them. Just clam up and go out and prove them wrong, then periodically report how it is going. But stop the venting each time you take a swing towards the negative. And frankly your swings of 5 grand-ish are very normal, very routine. Get used to them.
September 1st, 2017 at 3:00:24 AM
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Hi, KJ.
I see your relationship with the truth is as strong as ever.
I see your relationship with the truth is as strong as ever.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 1st, 2017 at 3:08:11 AM
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Quote: billryanHi, KJ.
I see your relationship with the truth is as strong as ever.
I am sad to see that yours isn't. I expected much more than that from you.
On another forum, participating under the name that I knew you as for years, you called me a "friend". Said something along the lines that you had great respect for all three individuals involved in the incident concerning the discussion that we were having. Being that you were new to the valley, I tried to help you with some promotions that I thought you could benefit from. Days later you start posting here and the first thing you do is attack me. All I can say is with friends like you......
And BTW, attacking someone on a forum that you KNOW they can't respond on is just plain, weak. It is cowardice! Again, I expected more from you sir.
September 1st, 2017 at 3:20:44 AM
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Now, now, Jay. This may be hard to believe but this had nothing to do with you.
But why miss out on an opportunity, right? Righteous indignation is in your blood.
But why miss out on an opportunity, right? Righteous indignation is in your blood.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 1st, 2017 at 3:32:16 AM
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What is really bothering you is the question you need to ask.
I am a robot.
September 1st, 2017 at 3:38:51 AM
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Quote: billryanNow, now, Jay. This may be hard to believe but this had nothing to do with you.
But why miss out on an opportunity, right? Righteous indignation is in your blood.
You brought up a thread that's over a year old because someone said they wished your dog got run over in front of you, asking if that's suspension-worthy....when when* Wizard ended the thread he said something about insults and to PM him the link of perceived insults and take care of it. ???
For some reason the double "when" sounds right in my head, but surely that can't be proper English. DonS you there?
September 1st, 2017 at 3:48:25 AM
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Quote: billryanNow, now, Jay. This may be hard to believe but this had nothing to do with you.
But why miss out on an opportunity, right? Righteous indignation is in your blood.
It comes from that June 6, 2016 post that you are quoting and referencing. It has to do with McAllister calling you a liar based on the untrue statements you made about me. McAllister tried to give you the benefit of doubt saying you either mis-remembered or were lying. Bringing up a second time, a year later, removes that benefit of doubt. You are flat out lying in an attempt to smear someone who can't even respond.
It's pretty simple: Show where I ever said I started my career at 18 or that I was homeless at any time during my career. You are simply conflating two events that occurred 3 years apart.
September 1st, 2017 at 3:57:46 AM
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Well, Mission is here. Good bye all. :)
September 1st, 2017 at 4:03:54 AM
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Quote: eaglesfanWell, Mission is here. Good bye all. :)
I imagine there will be a next time sooner or later, see you then.
By the way, I will say I appreciate you signing up with an IP also used by, "KewlJ," even had you not directly outted yourself in a post, rather than attempt any subterfuge.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 1st, 2017 at 5:24:35 AM
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Hope you're doing ok br, seems like things are bothering you more than normal right now. My comment at that time was mean spirited and uncalled for but not an insult.
I just don't care much for the filthy loud animals, wouldn't bother me at all if people kept them in the privacy of their own homes and yards.
I just don't care much for the filthy loud animals, wouldn't bother me at all if people kept them in the privacy of their own homes and yards.
September 1st, 2017 at 5:43:06 AM
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Quote: Mission146I'll give you condescending, but what insults? Asking if he recently lost because he's dropping his, "Rigged decks," drivel for the 482nd time? How's that an insult? It's a clear posting pattern: Bad session, three-seven multi-paragraph posts about the decks being rigged and mob run casinos.
Winning session: Self-congratulatory posts about being the greatest in the history of the world.
I'd love to know how I'm insulting him, the person, when talking specifically about his posts with hundreds of posts that can back me up on it.
But, condescending, yes. Don't see a Rule that says one can't be condescending.
I guess I would consider being condescending to someone to be insulting to them. Perhaps it's a bit of a stretch.
Nonetheless following him around to other threads trying to provoke him by asking things like if he lost 0.25% of his BR is pretty low and beneath what should be expected of a mod, not that it should be surprising to anyone.
Eagles fan is right, there is nothing for the guy here, much of it self inflicted. Just shut up and put in the hours.
September 1st, 2017 at 5:43:06 AM
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Quote: Mission146I'll give you condescending, but what insults? Asking if he recently lost because he's dropping his, "Rigged decks," drivel for the 482nd time? How's that an insult? It's a clear posting pattern: Bad session, three-seven multi-paragraph posts about the decks being rigged and mob run casinos.
Winning session: Self-congratulatory posts about being the greatest in the history of the world.
I'd love to know how I'm insulting him, the person, when talking specifically about his posts with hundreds of posts that can back me up on it.
But, condescending, yes. Don't see a Rule that says one can't be condescending.
I guess I would consider being condescending to someone to be insulting to them. Perhaps it's a bit of a stretch.
Nonetheless following him around to other threads trying to provoke him by asking things like if he lost 0.25% of his BR is pretty low and beneath what should be expected of a mod, not that it should be surprising to anyone.
Eagles fan is right, there is nothing for the guy here, much of it self inflicted. Just shut up and put in the hours.
September 1st, 2017 at 5:58:02 AM
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Quote: mcallister3200Eagles fan is right, there is nothing for the guy here, much of it self inflicted. Just shut up and put in the hours.
He wouldn't get the comments he does if he wasnt all "mob run city, casinos cheat, Chinese rigged decks, I'm cursed, etc." garbage. He truly believes this stuff!!
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September 1st, 2017 at 6:04:54 AM
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Yeah the guy clearly doesn't have the mentality to deal with the swings as his sole source of income at least with his current br, even though the hourly is less he should get a pt job 20 hours a week so he has some stability, cover basic expenses and still put in the hours.
September 1st, 2017 at 7:42:47 AM
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Quote: mcallister3200Yeah the guy clearly doesn't have the mentality to deal with the swings as his sole source of income at least with his current br, even though the hourly is less he should get a pt job 20 hours a week so he has some stability, cover basic expenses and still put in the hours.
This doesn't work. You have to choose one over the other. Either go pro or decide you aren't capable of being a pro and get a square job that is safe. If you work full time you can always count cards as a hobby. In my experience it is better to fully commit to one or the other.
ZK hardly gets hours in now as it is... give him a part time job and his hours will be non existent.
September 1st, 2017 at 7:48:09 AM
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Any new prospective card counter reading this thread should see why it's so obvious why most of us moved on to bigger and better things. I've said this before, I'd never waste my time EVER counting cards again.
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September 1st, 2017 at 7:49:57 AM
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Quote: monet0412ZK hardly gets hours in now as it is... give him a part time job and his hours will be non existent.
He doesn't need a part time job. We've given him other AP ideas he can apply when not at a blackjack table.
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September 1st, 2017 at 8:03:49 AM
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Quote: mcallister3200I guess I would consider being condescending to someone to be insulting to them. Perhaps it's a bit of a stretch.
Nonetheless following him around to other threads trying to provoke him by asking things like if he lost 0.25% of his BR is pretty low and beneath what should be expected of a mod, not that it should be surprising to anyone.
Eagles fan is right, there is nothing for the guy here, much of it self inflicted. Just shut up and put in the hours.
Well, to criticize me and then say he has self-inflicted his treatment here is certainly an interesting combination.
Besides that, I don't, "Follow him around to threads," in terms of every thread he participates in. When he goes to other threads initially and starts dropping the, "Mob run," and, "Rigged decks," crap I occasionally chime in.
Is it beneath what should be expected of an Administrator, maybe, but I'm making a point in the context of also being a Member here, not as an Administrator necessarily.
An insult entails disrespect or scorn. I'm not disrespecting or being scornful of him as a person, I'm simply using condescension as a tool to put across my point that some of his writings are ridiculous. Is saying, 'Rigged decks,' without even the faintest hint of proof not ridiculous? I've yet to see anyone argue to the contrary.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 1st, 2017 at 8:03:55 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesHe doesn't need a part time job. We've given him other AP ideas he can apply when not at a blackjack table.
I fully understand. He thinks the cards in the pits are rigged... he has already hinted that he doesn't trust machines. I can only imagine his rigged tantrums when he loses 2000 coins in multiple sessions. His refusal of obtaining players cards all over town clearly shows us that he isn't very serious.
I'm still on vacation though... great day yesterday on a powerboat in the Ocean. I don't even want to think about gaming. I'm recharging my batteries for a couple of weeks here!
September 1st, 2017 at 8:09:42 AM
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Quote: monet0412I fully understand. He thinks the cards in the pits are rigged... he has already hinted that he doesn't trust machines. I can only imagine his rigged tantrums when he loses 2000 coins in multiple sessions. His refusal of obtaining players cards all over town clearly shows us that he isn't very serious.
He could just vulture UX here and there and make enough side money for a majority of his expenses. No need for a card and always having an edge on the game. Simple stuff like this adds up fast.
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September 1st, 2017 at 8:12:23 AM
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Quote: billryanNo, this was in a non-political thread...
Quote:Hope your dog gets run over in front of you
Quote shortened for relevance.
I agree that is worse than calling someone a hypocrite, but as McCallister points out, not technically an insult. He's not saying anything about you.
Could you make an argument for Trolling? Maybe. Bullying? Again, maybe.
Anyway, I could see an argument for either of those two things. I would probably suggest bringing up a similar future occurrence with an Administrator. I don't know that I would do anything about that in the context of longer post without there being a complaint. Again, I tend to ban for, 'Trolling,' extremely sparingly because it's so subjective.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 1st, 2017 at 8:16:02 AM
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In BillRyan's defense, I all but asked him to tell me the context of the post by asking if it was a political thread or not. Granted, he could have answered more succinctly, but for those jumping on him for bringing it up a year later, I basically asked.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 1st, 2017 at 8:24:34 AM
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Speaking only for myself on ZenKing:
1.) If I have said anything condescending IN THIS THREAD to ZenKing, on more than one occasion, I heartily apologize.
2.) I disagree with EaglesFan as to whether or not people are pulling for ZK to lose and/or rooting against him. That's not true as it relates to me. Why would I root against him? What interest do I have in seeing him lose? At absolute worst, I really don't care what happens to him one way or another.
However, we have not reached a worst-case scenario. On the contrary, I'd rather see him WIN if he intends to post in his current vein. I'd rather read braggadocios-sounding posts about being the greatest to ever live than unfounded and baseless accusations about rigged decks. For the tone, as much as anything else. Simply put: I enjoy happy posts more than upset ones.
3.) I may challenge any future claims as to, 'Rigged decks,' or, 'Mob run,' casinos in this thread from time-to-time, as such accusations are and will continue to be (if made) patently absurd, but I will make every effort to avoid condescension. This is ZK's thread, after all.
4.) I reserve the right to be as condescending as I like (SPOILER ALERT: Sometimes very) should I see any such ridiculous claims pervade other threads in such cases that they are not the direct subject matter of those threads.
As far as this thread is concerned, I essentially have no choice but to read it. For anyone else who doesn't want to read it, it's a simple matter of Blocking the thread, top left button on the top of the page on PC, I think.
1.) If I have said anything condescending IN THIS THREAD to ZenKing, on more than one occasion, I heartily apologize.
2.) I disagree with EaglesFan as to whether or not people are pulling for ZK to lose and/or rooting against him. That's not true as it relates to me. Why would I root against him? What interest do I have in seeing him lose? At absolute worst, I really don't care what happens to him one way or another.
However, we have not reached a worst-case scenario. On the contrary, I'd rather see him WIN if he intends to post in his current vein. I'd rather read braggadocios-sounding posts about being the greatest to ever live than unfounded and baseless accusations about rigged decks. For the tone, as much as anything else. Simply put: I enjoy happy posts more than upset ones.
3.) I may challenge any future claims as to, 'Rigged decks,' or, 'Mob run,' casinos in this thread from time-to-time, as such accusations are and will continue to be (if made) patently absurd, but I will make every effort to avoid condescension. This is ZK's thread, after all.
4.) I reserve the right to be as condescending as I like (SPOILER ALERT: Sometimes very) should I see any such ridiculous claims pervade other threads in such cases that they are not the direct subject matter of those threads.
As far as this thread is concerned, I essentially have no choice but to read it. For anyone else who doesn't want to read it, it's a simple matter of Blocking the thread, top left button on the top of the page on PC, I think.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 1st, 2017 at 8:30:49 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesHe could just vulture UX here and there and make enough side money for a majority of his expenses. No need for a card and always having an edge on the game. Simple stuff like this adds up fast.
That's fine but refusing to get players cards in Vegas isn't wise when your local. He is being tracked anyway and as much as he talks to dealers and floor people about pre shuffled decks they just remember his face even more. He doesn't have to use a players card in the pit but he should learn some VP to put in an hour or two here and there. If he doesn't want to use his card all he has to do is borrow mine ha ha... I'm sure everyone understands this joke.
September 1st, 2017 at 8:31:07 AM
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Double Down
September 1st, 2017 at 8:58:15 AM
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Quote: Mission146Speaking only for myself on ZenKing:
1.) If I have said anything condescending IN THIS THREAD to ZenKing, on more than one occasion, I heartily apologize.
2.) I disagree with EaglesFan as to whether or not people are pulling for ZK to lose and/or rooting against him. That's not true as it relates to me. Why would I root against him? What interest do I have in seeing him lose? At absolute worst, I really don't care what happens to him one way or another.
However, we have not reached a worst-case scenario. On the contrary, I'd rather see him WIN if he intends to post in his current vein. I'd rather read braggadocios-sounding posts about being the greatest to ever live than unfounded and baseless accusations about rigged decks. For the tone, as much as anything else. Simply put: I enjoy happy posts more than upset ones.
3.) I may challenge any future claims as to, 'Rigged decks,' or, 'Mob run,' casinos in this thread from time-to-time, as such accusations are and will continue to be (if made) patently absurd, but I will make every effort to avoid condescension. This is ZK's thread, after all.
4.) I reserve the right to be as condescending as I like (SPOILER ALERT: Sometimes very) should I see any such ridiculous claims pervade other threads in such cases that they are not the direct subject matter of those threads.
As far as this thread is concerned, I essentially have no choice but to read it. For anyone else who doesn't want to read it, it's a simple matter of Blocking the thread, top left button on the top of the page on PC, I think.
I don't know why anyone would root for him to fail that's crazy in my mind. I actually hope he figures it out. I've been one to continuously call him out on his crazy rants but like you I don't wish him any ill will. I don't think ZK is a bad guy just a bit delusional maybe. I hope he figures out the mental side of the game because I think that is currently his downfall not the skill side of the game.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
September 1st, 2017 at 9:06:38 AM
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Quote: Mission146Quote shortened for relevance.
I agree that is worse than calling someone a hypocrite, but as McCallister points out, not technically an insult. He's not saying anything about you.
Could you make an argument for Trolling? Maybe. Bullying? Again, maybe.
Anyway, I could see an argument for either of those two things. I would probably suggest bringing up a similar future occurrence with an Administrator. I don't know that I would do anything about that in the context of longer post without there being a complaint. Again, I tend to ban for, 'Trolling,' extremely sparingly because it's so subjective.
I never said it was an insult, I said it was offensive. Nor did I request anything be done about it. I posted it without identifying the poster, a poster whom I simply ignore.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 1st, 2017 at 9:46:15 AM
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Quote: billryanI never said it was an insult, I said it was offensive. Nor did I request anything be done about it. I posted it without identifying the poster, a poster whom I simply ignore.
Completely fair, I just felt the need to address why there was no ban for it. I also agreed with you that such a statement is, 'Worse,' than some insults.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 1st, 2017 at 9:49:25 AM
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Quote: PokerGrinderI don't know why anyone would root for him to fail that's crazy in my mind. I actually hope he figures it out. I've been one to continuously call him out on his crazy rants but like you I don't wish him any ill will. I don't think ZK is a bad guy just a bit delusional maybe. I hope he figures out the mental side of the game because I think that is currently his downfall not the skill side of the game.
Exactly, I have no idea why anyone would root for him to fail. If there are any such rooters, perhaps they might appear and explain their position.
Like I said, worst-case scenario is I end up neutral and don't care what happens to him. For the time being, I'm pulling for him.
Anyway, he has himself as much as admitted that he exaggerates some things on here...as I recall.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 1st, 2017 at 10:24:20 AM
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i think there's a thin line between insulting the content of a post and insulting the author of a post. If the former was not allowed, or at least tolderated, all of the betting system threads would result in a bloodbath of timeouts. But there will still be people who won't differentiate "you are an idiot" from "what your're saying is idiotic", and claim a personal insult. Despite the wording, I think calling someone a hypocrite in the context of something specific they've posted falls into the category of insulting the content, but that's kinda subjective.
About ZK, I don't know why anyone would want him to fail other than their own enjoyment because they dislike him, which is pretty low in my opinion.
Like myself and other's have said multiple times, ZK is a nice guy on first impression. I'm not sure what causes the crazy online alter-ego. Maybe that's what he's really like once you get to know him, which I'm not sure if anyone here does beyond a casual gathering or two. Or maybe furiously smashing his keyboard is a way to relieve stress. I really don't know, but either way I wouldn't want him to fail unless he did something worse than posting dumb rants on a forum. That's really no chip off my shoulder.
About ZK, I don't know why anyone would want him to fail other than their own enjoyment because they dislike him, which is pretty low in my opinion.
Like myself and other's have said multiple times, ZK is a nice guy on first impression. I'm not sure what causes the crazy online alter-ego. Maybe that's what he's really like once you get to know him, which I'm not sure if anyone here does beyond a casual gathering or two. Or maybe furiously smashing his keyboard is a way to relieve stress. I really don't know, but either way I wouldn't want him to fail unless he did something worse than posting dumb rants on a forum. That's really no chip off my shoulder.
September 5th, 2017 at 11:57:52 PM
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I have read this whole thing and the other long ZK thread, and IMO nobody is wishing for him to fail. Really the contrary, as people have tried to advise him throughout. Lots of been there, done that sentiment from people with experience.
OTOH, kj has a rather large axe to grind, and it would suit his purpose to denigrate the forum and heighten ZK's considering us the opposition. It seems to motivate ZK to characterize us as rooting against him, just as he seems to personalize his bad variance as an attack by casinos or floors on him in particular.
Yes, it gets tiresome. I'm with monet et al, those responding either with advice, commisseration, or defensively as to motive are all wasting your (our) breath. This thread isn't meant to be interactive; it's a dumping ground. Nobody's listening.
BTW, ZK, misspelling the f-word by one similar letter doesn't cut it as masking. Clean up your language: the next one is a suspension.
OTOH, kj has a rather large axe to grind, and it would suit his purpose to denigrate the forum and heighten ZK's considering us the opposition. It seems to motivate ZK to characterize us as rooting against him, just as he seems to personalize his bad variance as an attack by casinos or floors on him in particular.
Yes, it gets tiresome. I'm with monet et al, those responding either with advice, commisseration, or defensively as to motive are all wasting your (our) breath. This thread isn't meant to be interactive; it's a dumping ground. Nobody's listening.
BTW, ZK, misspelling the f-word by one similar letter doesn't cut it as masking. Clean up your language: the next one is a suspension.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
September 7th, 2017 at 8:17:26 PM
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ZK, no one is rooting against you. You have a mental issue and seem to be unstable, please go see a doctor. This is not an insult. I hope he gets the help he needs.
November 4th, 2017 at 4:17:49 AM
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After taking about a month or so off after my backoff, i made my return tonight and made 1k in about 2 hrs with a lower max bet due to it being my first outing in a long time. Had i bet my normal amounts,i probably wouldve made around 1400. Damn im good LOL. Yo sidthesquid, hows that for card counting?
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
November 4th, 2017 at 4:45:35 AM
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Congratulations. Welcome back Please focus on the 1,000 not the 1,400. Hope things continue to go well for you.Quote: ZenKinGi made 1k in about 2 hrs ... probably wouldve made around 1400.
November 6th, 2017 at 3:36:38 AM
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Wow, another +2k in 2 hours LOL. Just goes to show how good i really am. Playing 6-8 deck soft 17 shoes and I cant be beat. Yo sidthesquid whats wrong, i thought i was a failure? Yo boz, what happened to me ending up under a bridge. Any other doubters out there? Everyone back home, my family, my friends, society?. Move aside drones, never doubt the king.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
November 6th, 2017 at 4:51:00 AM
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ZK is just another AVERAGE Joe out there. When something goes wrong, it is someone's fault. If everything goes well, how great I am.Quote: ZenKinGWow, another +2k in 2 hours LOL. Just goes to show how good i really am. Playing 6-8 deck soft 17 shoes and I cant be beat. Yo sidthesquid whats wrong, i thought i was a failure? Yo boz, what happened to me ending up under a bridge. Any other doubters out there? Everyone back home, my family, my friends, society?. Move aside drones, never doubt the king.
November 6th, 2017 at 8:44:20 AM
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Did they temporarily get rid of them chinese prison decks?
November 6th, 2017 at 8:52:47 AM
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No they are still using them but ZK is sooooooo much better and smarter than every other counter that ever tried so he makes money. Well makes money over 2 sessions. Maybe it's like baseball where the pitcher adjusts to the batter and then the batter has to adjust back to the pitcher. ZK adjusted to the cheating casinos so now it is their turn to adjust to the all powerful and amazing ZK!
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
November 6th, 2017 at 12:53:10 PM
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All i know is as soon as i went back to my pure wong PA approach, im up like 15k in 30 hrs lol betting only 2x250 max bet.
Wong halves and pure wonging >
Wong halves and pure wonging >
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
