D Day in Vegas
Quote: BozHonestly, and of course I am only speaking for myself, you are a fucking idiot. I'll see everyone when I get back after whatever the mods determine is the correct number of days for my transgression.
Coming from the guy that says that APs need to keep their emotions in check, you now look like a hypocrite. Congrats. Let me know how that suspension goes when you get back.
Quote: ZenKinGGood karma doesnt exist for me. But as soon as i do one bad gesture the world falls on me.
You should read or listen to something about the less simplistic notions of karma, then contemplate that statement. The essential idea, if I get it, is that your experience is the sum of your thoughts and actions.
This has less to do with a pedo being hit by a bus or not, and more to do with a well off, young, American in 2017 living in Vegas without having to work, mostly being unhappy.
Maybe imagine for a moment that you are actually a Burmese sweatshop worker who won a lottery and got to be put in your situation. I'm sure he would be devastated if he ran bad for a minute.
Monet's post many pages back was the best advice anyone has given. I don't feel like going back to find it, but you should. Your worst enemy is yourself.
I've heard theories that this is pretty common among the children of very successful parents as they enter adulthood. Makes a lot of sense to me for a few reasons. For example, you grow up thinking outstanding results are the norm. Then you don't have outstanding results and... well, blaming yourself is no fun. So let's find a proxy to tear down.
FWIW, and partially in Zen's defense, I think every gambler who is not a robot at least allows the thoughts that something is rigged, and/or that the universe genuinely has a beef with them to enter their heads. You run worse than you ever imagined, then lose again as a 20-1 favorite. It happens to everyone.
That's really just a self-defeating, self-pitying narrative though. Someone with no moral compass can easily be lost in them.
no. Bet behind him. If God is gonna take you down, take some other sucker with you.Quote: vegasIf you knew this guy was going to get all the blackjacks and you were going to get bad karma, then why didn't you just cash out and quit for the day. Thats would I would do IF I could see the future.
Quote: DeMangoI hope everybody adds a "thank you" to Boz's winning post!
I'm thinking if everyone who agrees with Boz chips in to take a part of his ban, it will amount to about twenty minutes each.
Quote: ZenKinGDo you guys see how cursed i am?
It has been proven long ago that you are more cursed than anyone else here. After learning this information, any loss is no longer the result of the curse, it's the result of you being either too stubborn or too foolish to stop. Continually bring up the idea of a curse causing you to lose at a casino just proves that it's entirely your choices that are the problem and nothing else.
Nope. Not at all... Sounds like 100% normal variance and having nothing to do with a mythical creature in the sky to me.Quote: ZenKinG...Do you guys see how cursed i am?...
Of course you'd post if you were a loser on these sessions... so it makes me think you even came out ahead too.
Quote: RomesNope. Not at all... Sounds like 100% normal variance and having nothing to do with a mythical creature in the sky to me.
Of course you'd post if you were a loser on these sessions... so it makes me think you even came out ahead too.
If you read my post carefully, you would understand the loss had nothing to do with it. The reason why i got mad is that every time i sense something is going to happen it happens exactly how i said it would. As soon as i ignored the guy at the table and wonged in, i knew that my next shoe i was gonna be curse due to bad karma or whatever you want to call it and what do you know, the ONLY shoe that i've lost big in recent time happened to be the very next one. How coincidental. Not to mention, not only was it a big loss, it happened exactly how I said it would. I said that whoever I play with next, he will get loads of blackjacks and ill just get my ass handed to me. Like clockwork, it happened exactly that. What are the chances? Just hilarious. That's rare in itself because when you got ur ass handed to you, the whole table is getting killed. So it was almost like a triple troll. It's these little things that drive me up the wall. I dont give two shits about the big loss, but the fact of the sheer annoyance of these little things that happen. Just like when I couldn't win ONE more bet just to cross my all time high. Not only do I not cross the all time that one time, but i literally touch it and then fall back 5k to add to the trolling. It just feels like a massive troll every time surrounding me.
It is currently 73 and sunny here at 845 am!
My favorite quote from The Big Bang Theory: "Well this is something that someone that doesn't understand the law of large numbers would consider a coincidence..."Quote: ZenKinGIf you read my post carefully, you would understand the loss had nothing to do with it. The reason why i got mad is that every time i sense something is going to happen it happens exactly how i said it would. As soon as i ignored the guy at the table and wonged in, i knew that my next shoe i was gonna be curse due to bad karma or whatever you want to call it and what do you know, the ONLY shoe that i've lost big in recent time happened to be the very next one. How coincidental...
If you can sense when you're going to win and lose, why not just give up counting and bet huge when you feel it and not at all when you don't? I hope you realize why I make that statement. Feelings, senses, karma, or fictitious mythical creatures in the sky don't determine the mathematical outcome... nor have ANY factors in it. To be an AP, you really need to understand that.
Clearly you vent here, but it's beyond apparent that you dedicate "some" amount of small time to stewing over this crap. IF you only took that amount of small time every day, or once per week, whatever, and dedicated that to becoming a better AP you'd already be done counting cards and be in much better company and profits. You have more than enough time and casinos to decipher many different plays, but instead you choose to waste your time with complete nonsense. At the end of the day, whevever you're at in your bankroll/AP career/etc, just know that you could be light years ahead and successful, but you're not because of YOU. Not karma... not "god"... not because of some curse. You're not because of YOU and you can change that at any moment you'd like.
Quote: Romes
Clearly you vent here, but it's beyond apparent that you dedicate "some" amount of small time to stewing over this crap. IF you only took that amount of small time every day, or once per week, whatever, and dedicated that to becoming a better AP you'd already be done counting cards and be in much better company and profits. You have more than enough time and casinos to decipher many different plays, but instead you choose to waste your time with complete nonsense. At the end of the day, whevever you're at in your bankroll/AP career/etc, just know that you could be light years ahead and successful, but you're not because of YOU. Not karma...
Some would say this is a perfect example of karma.
I have a open question for MOD. Will I get a suspension or warning for "THANK YOU" this post please? I hope this answer will be a benchmark for every member here.Quote: BozHonestly, and of course I am only speaking for myself, you are a fucking idiot. I'll see everyone when I get back after whatever the mods determine is the correct number of days for my transgression.
BOZ, I will buy you a GOOD lunch when I show up in Vegas one day.
Quote: speedycrapI have a open question for MOD. Will I get a suspension or warning for "THANK YOU" this post please? I hope this answer will be a benchmark for every member here.
Too bad the rules don't allow those facing suspension the opportunity to argue that their perceived insult is in fact a statement of fact based on demonstrable truth.
They say that "truth is a defense."
Hello, may I ask you a question please?Quote: monet0412I try not to give advice to ZK anymore. I am currently on vacation in Malibu enjoying the beach, waves, boating, museums, opera, symphonies, wine, fresh fish, boating, Huntington Dog Beach, and an amazing house rental with a priceless view! I will upload pictures when I get back to Vegas for those interested in what advantage play can buy you and what a player like myself and others enjoy compared to the cursed ZK. I'm glad I'm on the good side of God/Jesus and the thing ZK calls Karma! Advantage Play and stealing from Casinos is so darn fun and easy! Have fun counting cards ZK!!
It is currently 73 and sunny here at 845 am!
If by the end of the year, I have 10K in cash and spend 2 months in Vegas, will you be able to show me around of all the good advice you provide to ZK. I will surely appreciate that wholeheartedly. Put it this way, one man's trash is the other man's treasure.
Quote: MrVToo bad the rules don't allow those facing suspension the opportunity to argue that their perceived insult is in fact a statement of fact based on demonstrable truth.
They say that "truth is a defense."
Beauty of an Oligarchy, I guess.
Although, in this case, his post flat out said he knew a Suspension would be forthcoming. Much tougher to argue that the result of an action is unfair when you already knew what it would be.
Will Wizard provide a FULL PARDON for BOZ please?
Quote: speedycrapI would like to start a petition please.
Will Wizard provide a FULL PARDON for BOZ please?
While I appreciate Boz's statement, if we start picking and choosing who can or can't be insulted here, it will open a can of worms. Can we insult someone because they are unpopular or only if they are an idiot? Is backing a certain politician grounds for an acceptable insult?
Boz is a big boy, and knew what he was doing.
Quote: billryanWhile I appreciate Boz's statement, if we start picking and choosing who can or can't be insulted here, it will open a can of worms. Can we insult someone because they are unpopular or only if they are an idiot? Is backing a certain politician grounds for an acceptable insult?
Boz is a big boy, and knew what he was doing.
Boz is a hypocrite, but yet no one feels the need to say that. He talks about emotion all the time and how people need to control it, then he goes and calls me a F****** idiot. But that's alright, everyone just jumps on me. More proof that people are sheep. It's all good, jump on the king.
Quote: Mission146Beauty of an Oligarchy, I guess.
Although, in this case, his post flat out said he knew a Suspension would be forthcoming.
In other words, Boz deemed it worthy to say what he did.
Quote: ZenKinGBoz is a hypocrite, but yet no one feels the need to say that. He talks about emotion all the time and how people need to control it, then he goes and calls me a F****** idiot. But that's alright, everyone just jumps on me. More proof that people are sheep. It's all good, jump on the king.
You bring all the attention and negativity on yourself, somehow like the kid that acts out in school I think you just want the attention.
Quote: Mission146It has been over a year since Boz's most recent Suspension, which was for Seven Days, so I am going to not invoke the Martingale and go with another Seven Day Suspension.
I feel bad for Boz. If he knew he was going to be suspended, I would have gone for something much more verbose than two words.
I assume you are telling yourself bad things are going to happen anytime you do anything. If you do that over and over eventually things are going to play out just as you predicted. You only remember and dwell on the times it played how you predicted and you forget when it goes the other way.Quote: ZenKinGIf you read my post carefully, you would understand the loss had nothing to do with it. The reason why i got mad is that every time i sense something is going to happen it happens exactly how i said it would. As soon as i ignored the guy at the table and wonged in, i knew that my next shoe i was gonna be curse due to bad karma or whatever you want to call it and what do you know, the ONLY shoe that i've lost big in recent time happened to be the very next one. How coincidental. Not to mention, not only was it a big loss, it happened exactly how I said it would. I said that whoever I play with next, he will get loads of blackjacks and ill just get my ass handed to me. Like clockwork, it happened exactly that. What are the chances? Just hilarious. That's rare in itself because when you got ur ass handed to you, the whole table is getting killed. So it was almost like a triple troll. It's these little things that drive me up the wall. I dont give two shits about the big loss, but the fact of the sheer annoyance of these little things that happen. Just like when I couldn't win ONE more bet just to cross my all time high. Not only do I not cross the all time that one time, but i literally touch it and then fall back 5k to add to the trolling. It just feels like a massive troll every time surrounding me.
Quote: ZenKinGBoz is a hypocrite, but yet no one feels the need to say that. He talks about emotion all the time and how people need to control it, then he goes and calls me a F****** idiot. But that's alright, everyone just jumps on me. More proof that people are sheep. It's all good, jump on the king.
Yes cause the masses are the issue not the Lone Ranger or king or whatever you want to be called. You bring this all on yourself. You've had endless advice and yet you continue to be stubborn and ignore it. I've told you already that the advice of AP's here are going to net me over $5000 this year on stuff that I do while waiting for my seat at the poker tables. It's that easy! Take their advice bud, we are all truly offering you good advice.
Quote: ZenKinGBoz is a hypocrite, but yet no one feels the need to say that. He talks about emotion all the time and how people need to control it, then he goes and calls me a F****** idiot. But that's alright, everyone just jumps on me. More proof that people are sheep. It's all good, jump on the king.
So, anyway, before you get suspended for insulting Boz ( I consider that an insult by you to him) Could you just remind me...
Why did you not bet behind the guy? Surely that would have messed up the curse in some way. Have you no faith in your own precognitive skills?Quote: ZenKinG. . .it happened exactly how I said it would. I said that whoever I play with next, he will get loads of blackjacks and ill just get my ass handed to me.. . .
Quote: speedycrapI have a open question for MOD. Will I get a suspension or warning for "THANK YOU" this post please? I hope this answer will be a benchmark for every member here.
BOZ, I will buy you a GOOD lunch when I show up in Vegas one day.
As the recipient of a free lunch from Speedycrap, he is good to his word. (just don't bet on him when he rolls them bones....)
Quote: ZenKinGBoz is a hypocrite, but yet no one feels the need to say that. He talks about emotion all the time and how people need to control it, then he goes and calls me a F****** idiot. But that's alright, everyone just jumps on me. More proof that people are sheep. It's all good, jump on the king.
Actually, no. False equivalency.
I don't need to control my emotions, because I am not sitting at a blackjack table (aka working 100% at the task at hand) where controlling one's emotions is key to long-term success.
For example, I need to control my emotions at work. I know that when I am working that I am competent and great at what I do and behave accordingly. I have never, ever, for example, said anything poorly on any internet forum about my workplace or my coworkers, because I need to keep my job.
Boz can insult you because he doesn't need to control his emotions in this case and understood perfectly the consequences of his remarks. This forum has no bearing on his life. However, your behavior and attitude towards your game very much does affect your financial well-being and your life overall. Believing that the "gods" are out to get you, that casinos are dealing Chinese biased decks, and your general paranoia that you display on this forum affects you negatively from a mental health perspective which also will affect your game if you can't leave these emotions when you step up to the table.
And based on your own remarks where you knew that karma was going to get you (and this time, the variance fit the narrative) I would opine that it is a very unhealthy attitude to hold when you believe that you are playing at an advantage.
When I get that feeling (and I do) and I continue to play (and lose), it usually is followed up by a visit to Responsible Gaming or a self-imposed restriction to gambling for awhile. As I know that I can't control that emotion and that it is extremely detrimental to my financial health to ignore it. It doesn't make me any better than anyone else (or worse) but having gone through the experience it allows me to gain wisdom and impart advice.
But like my daughter it falls onto deaf ears.
Quote: OnceDearSo, anyway, before you get suspended for insulting Boz ( I consider that an insult by you to him) Could you just remind me...
Why did you not bet behind the guy? Surely that would have messed up the curse in some way. Have you no faith in your own precognitive skills?
He was at 3rd base.
Quote: boymimboActually, no. False equivalency.
I don't need to control my emotions, because I am not sitting at a blackjack table (aka working 100% at the task at hand) where controlling one's emotions is key to long-term success.
For example, I need to control my emotions at work. I know that when I am working that I am competent and great at what I do and behave accordingly. I have never, ever, for example, said anything poorly on any internet forum about my workplace or my coworkers, because I need to keep my job.
Boz can insult you because he doesn't need to control his emotions in this case and understood perfectly the consequences of his remarks. This forum has no bearing on his life. However, your behavior and attitude towards your game very much does affect your financial well-being and your life overall. Believing that the "gods" are out to get you, that casinos are dealing Chinese biased decks, and your general paranoia that you display on this forum affects you negatively from a mental health perspective which also will affect your game if you can't leave these emotions when you step up to the table.
And based on your own remarks where you knew that karma was going to get you (and this time, the variance fit the narrative) I would opine that it is a very unhealthy attitude to hold when you believe that you are playing at an advantage.
When I get that feeling (and I do) and I continue to play (and lose), it usually is followed up by a visit to Responsible Gaming or a self-imposed restriction to gambling for awhile. As I know that I can't control that emotion and that it is extremely detrimental to my financial health to ignore it. It doesn't make me any better than anyone else (or worse) but having gone through the experience it allows me to gain wisdom and impart advice.
But like my daughter it falls onto deaf ears.
Negative attitude and still up +43500? That's impressive. That must say something about my ability.
Actually, it says absolutely nothing about your ability at all. I can bitch and moan or I can sing daisy songs at the blackjack table... Either way it doesn't matter one bit.Quote: ZenKinGNegative attitude and still up +43500? That's impressive. That must say something about my ability.
While I don't want to rain on any counters parade... It's really not that hard to do. The hardest part is taking the time to train all of the concepts properly. Sh*t with just my A-Z articles literally anyone could do it by themselves and have a winning game. That can be done, if serious, in a month of practicing every night for a couple hours. If someone didn't have a job and had a bankroll and wanted to go pro, they could probably train up 'enough' in a week or so of 8-10 hour days... perhaps less with a proper mentor.
You constantly brag about your counting skill, but what exactly are you bragging about? Your ability to do +1 and -1, or ooooo +.5 and -.5? Are you bragging about the number of deviations you know? Or are you bragging about how you clearly handle yourself in the face of standard variance? If we want to whip it out I've counted using 2 different counting systems at the same time, passing both count information to a teammate, with a side count aces using 1/8 deck estimations and knowing hundreds of deviations. Is mine bigger? At the end of the day it's all not hard to do. Not one thing I mentioned is "hard" it just takes some moderate practice for anyone. You constantly say you're "the best"... but what the hell do you even mean by that?
Quote: ZenKinGBoz is a hypocrite, but yet no one feels the need to say that. He talks about emotion all the time and how people need to control it, then he goes and calls me a F****** idiot. But that's alright, everyone just jumps on me. More proof that people are sheep. It's all good, jump on the king.
Seven days for you, too.
I'm a hypocrite, we're all hypocrites, and so are you not. That makes no sense. Need some brain food.Quote: AxelWolfIf calling someone a hypocrite is a suspendable offense we may have a long list of past unpunished offenses. Might want to start off in the political threads.
Quote: Mission146Seven days for you, too.
Seems exceptionally trigger happy Mission.
Quote: mcallister3200Are you going to also suspend yourself for 7 days with your condescending insults? You're baiting and trolling the guy as much as anyone here
I'll give you condescending, but what insults? Asking if he recently lost because he's dropping his, "Rigged decks," drivel for the 482nd time? How's that an insult? It's a clear posting pattern: Bad session, three-seven multi-paragraph posts about the decks being rigged and mob run casinos.
Winning session: Self-congratulatory posts about being the greatest in the history of the world.
I'd love to know how I'm insulting him, the person, when talking specifically about his posts with hundreds of posts that can back me up on it.
But, condescending, yes. Don't see a Rule that says one can't be condescending.
Quote: Mission146I'll give you condescending, but what insults? Asking if he recently lost because he's dropping his, "Rigged decks," drivel for the 482nd time? How's that an insult? It's a clear posting pattern: Bad session, three-seven multi-paragraph posts about the decks being rigged and mob run casinos. Winning session: Self-congratulatory posts about being the greatest in the history of the world.
Have you considered the nuclear option?
This guy is more disruptive than LarryS. was; the difference is he's given a bye because he claims he's an AP.
Quote: Mission146Fair enough, rescinded. Seemed like a Personal Insult to me, though.
Good call Mission. I just feel adults should have a little bit of a leash to play with.
Quote: ZenKinGNegative attitude and still up +43500? That's impressive. That must say something about my ability.
As I said, deaf ears. I never said "negative attitude". I said "unhealthy attitude". Quite simply, anything besides a mechanical approach to the game will take away from your EV. Your suspicions, paranoia and self-loathing cannot help you win.
If he wins, it's his superior ability. If he loses, it's someone else's fault.
He's the blackjack version of a craps D.I.
I have met Zen and he is intelligent and likable. Maybe one day he will get somewhere and find what he is looking for. I would not get involved in any plays with him though. I could only imagine what he would publicly rant about if something went the least bit sideways. This is based on the past few weeks observations.
Pretty sure he is not cursed by anything other than his own mind.
Bad advice, bannings are overused. The forum is so unused, hard to say anybody is disruptive. We need mass amnesty, I don't see the harm.Quote: MrVHave you considered the nuclear option?
This guy is more disruptive than LarryS. was; the difference is he's given a bye because he claims he's an AP.
Quote: billryanHow is calling someone a hypocrite not an insult? If anyone has called a member one, even in the political threads, they deserve to be suspended.
Couldn't tell you, I obviously looked at it as an insult, especially considering Boz couldn't even appear to defend himself for a week. Saying he was being hypocritical (I don't think he was) would have been fine, of course.
I'm surprised by the backlash on that one, to be honest. If I must be wrong in the eyes of some, no harm in erring on the side of leniency once in a while.
Quote: DeMangoI would think pointing out hypocrisy is not an insult. Then calling that person a hypocrite is not an insult.
Being retarded is not an insult. Is calling someone a retard an insult?
A bitch is a female dog. Is calling someone a bitch an insult?
Stealing isn't an insult. Is calling someone a thief an insult?
Do I really need to go on?
So now that we have established calling someone a hypocrite isn't an insult, what other words are suddenly not out of bounds.
Quote: billryanBeing retarded is not an insult. Is calling someone a retard an insult?
A bitch is a female dog. Is calling someone a bitch an insult?
Stealing isn't an insult. Is calling someone a thief an insult?
Do I really need to go on?
So now that we have established calling someone a hypocrite isn't an insult, what other words are suddenly not out of bounds.
Yes, you call that person physically or mentally challenged or name the disease that he has (aka he has autism).
You can't call someone a female dog. Female dogs can't post on internet forums.
One if a thief only if they admit to stealing and it is actually libel if you call someone a thief without proof - not an insult.
The word hypocrite is not an insult if you are behaving or show traits of being hypocritical. Calling someone a hypocrite without basis or reason is not an insult.
Aka. I believe you a hypocrite for asking someone to be banned for an insult but then posting that insults should not result in banning. That's why when I put people down, I always (1) put a qualifying factor "I believe" or "I think" or "You are behaving like" and (2) put reasoning behind my belief.
It is up to the ump's discretion. If we don't like it, we can leave.
