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August 16th, 2017 at 7:01:20 PM permalink
Well first off, let me go ahead and take the high road. Yes I went a bit overboard once again due to an emotional rant and when i said useless scum, it obviously wasnt towards the people that have helped me whether publicly or privately on here or the people i've met in real life from this forum and you know who you are. It also wasn't called for to say that about anyone on this forum, even if some have pushed me a bit over the edge at times. Whether this apology now makes me look worse or whatever, i dont care, just want to settle the air. I also will be doing my best to not bring my rants to this forum anymore. All it does is print an image of me that's not really me. It's basically just emotional anger coming out and it's like I become a completely different person for 10 minutes.

I've also done a bit of thinking the last 3 days actually and I'm actually going to change my whole approach. Either I learn how to disconnect my emotions from the game or just quit altogether. Also the plan is still to continue living in vegas, but im thinking of traveling all around the country to now play exclusively double deck games and get diamond status at the tolerant caesars properties outside of vegas. Then take that diamond status and go to the caesars food lounges in vegas and just eat and drink for free. Even if I get made as a counter outside of Vegas, it is my understanding Caesars wont remove your diamond status and they also dont communicate well among caesars properties so my picture wouldn't be sent to vegas. I'm going to have to find a way to disguise my betting playing these double deck games, maybe use some inverse betting 3 hands off the top minimum bet and 1 hand max bet, but the EV playing these games is about double the shoe games. Definitely thinking of different strategies now to offset expenses as well as increase my EV and lower variance.
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August 17th, 2017 at 1:53:25 PM permalink
D-Day in Vegas 2: The Awakening
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August 17th, 2017 at 2:03:08 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Well first off, let me go ahead and take the high road. Yes I went a bit overboard once again due to an emotional rant and when i said useless scum, it obviously wasnt towards the people that have helped me whether publicly or privately on here or the people i've met in real life from this forum and you know who you are. It also wasn't called for to say that about anyone on this forum, even if some have pushed me a bit over the edge at times. Whether this apology now makes me look worse or whatever, i dont care, just want to settle the air. I also will be doing my best to not bring my rants to this forum anymore. All it does is print an image of me that's not really me. It's basically just emotional anger coming out and it's like I become a completely different person for 10 minutes...

So as mentioned previously in this thread it sounds like you need another emotional outlet for the pent up anger from losses/etc? As I suggested before, I'd HIGHLY recommend you start off with like a mauy thai kickboxing or boxing class. If you really want a workout do jiu-jitsu... They will be the best workouts of your life, and you'll learn a very valuable skill. Hell, even buying a $100 heavy bag and just T-ing off on it in your Apt could do the trick =).

Quote: ZenKinG

I've also done a bit of thinking the last 3 days actually and I'm actually going to change my whole approach. Either I learn how to disconnect my emotions from the game or just quit altogether. Also the plan is still to continue living in vegas, but im thinking of traveling all around the country to now play exclusively double deck games and get diamond status at the tolerant caesars properties outside of vegas. Then take that diamond status and go to the caesars food lounges in vegas and just eat and drink for free. Even if I get made as a counter outside of Vegas, it is my understanding Caesars wont remove your diamond status and they also dont communicate well among caesars properties so my picture wouldn't be sent to vegas. I'm going to have to find a way to disguise my betting playing these double deck games, maybe use some inverse betting 3 hands off the top minimum bet and 1 hand max bet, but the EV playing these games is about double the shoe games. Definitely thinking of different strategies now to offset expenses as well as increase my EV and lower variance.

That's a pretty bold plan... Double decks + Caesars is not the way to go if your goal is to get diamond. Look up the Diamond in a Day thread. Caesars practically GIVES diamond away at least once per year when they do their bonuses (which all stack on top of one another). You should really just eat the $350 in negative EV to get diamond (which if you read my posts in that thread I don't think the EV is negative at all to just play VP and get diamond). Between the mailers, food, comps, etc, etc, I truly believe it's a +EV play to get Diamond in a day (which if timed right is good for 2 years essentially). Heck, being in vegas you could even sell the "free" show tickets each month for cheap (hey, pays for gas).

If your goal is to go after Diamond status to save some money on food and possible lodging around the country/world, I'd very very much recommend you do not play blackjack to get it. Not only will it take forever, but you'll more than likely be made/burned at their DD games. I've been saying this to the people I teach as well... the shorter number deck games is NOT where the money is at in counting! Give me a 95% PEN 8D H17 game with low/no heat and I'll play that crap till you're blue in the face =).

Good luck.
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August 17th, 2017 at 2:08:45 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

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Wait, we're into Season 2 already? :)

Seriously, though, ZK, best of luck with your new approach. And ditto what Romes said about Diamond in A Day.
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August 17th, 2017 at 3:25:17 PM permalink
Agree with the posters about diamond. You won't get there playing BJ as their comps and points granting at table games are extremely stingy. You are better off as everyone else said doing Diamond in a Day.

If you are going to be AP, you have to take your emotions entirely out of the game and concentrate on foiling game protection and your game. Travelling around the country will cost you money and will take away from your profitable playing time. See the country because you want to enjoy it.
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August 17th, 2017 at 4:04:07 PM permalink
Well the ideas of playing DD and getting diamond was an idea i received from a player who I have talked off this forum. He said to go to a couple tolerant caesars properties around the country to get diamond and that i wouldnt get backed off. Even if i get made, i would still have the diamond status as caesars doesnt retract the status once you have it. He said you can probably attain diamond within 3 days playing DD at these properties. I always thought blackjack comps weren't that great and have been tightened over the years, but he told me otherwise and that it could be done.
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August 17th, 2017 at 9:11:25 PM permalink
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August 17th, 2017 at 9:22:08 PM permalink
Bob Dancer is currently offering his free video poker classes at the South Point . Can't recommend them enough. Before I took his classes, I was clueless. Now I'm just generally a bit confused.

You may find the schedule at http://bobdancer.com/seminars
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August 17th, 2017 at 9:55:47 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Bob Dancer is currently offering his free video poker classes at the South Point . Can't recommend them enough. Before I took his classes, I was clueless. Now I'm just generally a bit confused.



Now after this comment I'm the one with nothing to say. I read this post like you were the straight man in an Abbot and Costello routine.

Your next line should of been something about recommending to buy his merchandise. Followed by how great it is to play at the South Point but don't play too smart or Gaughn will have his birdies chirping and you'll be cut cut cut out the door.

Edit: By the way that Casino is one ugly place to play Bingo. Cash Only and no good package deals. The hotball got up over 80k awhile back and I messed with the mob scene throwing away about 500 at it over a ten day span or so.
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August 17th, 2017 at 11:33:22 PM permalink
It's got a huge bingo hall. Never been in it, but pass it on the way to the movies.
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August 18th, 2017 at 10:13:09 AM permalink
Yikes. For whatever you may decide this $0.02 is worth, according to what you think is important to you in your life...
Quote: ZenKinG

<SNIP>...traveling all around the country to now play exclusively double deck games and get diamond status at the tolerant caesars properties outside of vegas. Then take that diamond status and go to the caesars food lounges in vegas and just eat and drink for free...<SNIP>

"Food" lounges?!? First time I've heard them (specifically the ones in Las Vegas) called that by anyone, ever. Which you'd be expecting to use to "eat for free?" Like, for regular daily chow, taking the place of groceries and suchlike? If so, I think maybe there's a different understanding of the term "eat" involved here. And/or some lack of familiarity with the reality of Las Vegas Diamond lounges coming from the source of this advice.

If you haven't done so, before launching this grand plan, I'd suggest you do a little bit more diligence than talking to some WoV goofball, perhaps by actually looking inside several of them at what you'd be getting, so you're sure you have a realistic expectation of what it would be worth to you. Most people, locals and visitors alike, that I talk to tend to consider occasionally jumping lines for check-in, the valet, restaurants, and such to be most of whatever value they feel they've got from having CZR Diamond cards. And I'd say the same. I do know some people who like to drink A LOT, like NEEDING to stay permanently drunk every waking moment of every day, who do consider the Las Vegas "Diamond Lounges" a perk that's worthwhile for them. As do a select group of some permanently destitute degenerate locals I'm acquainted with who generally look like walking cadavers and would most likely die of scurvy or something before voluntarily taking a dollar of gambling money to ever buy any actual food. But for most normal humans, who generally expect to eat some kind of actual meal pretty much every day, this would be a ridiculous plan.

Also, since this plan would involve constant travel to Caesars properties, be aware that your tier status as a Diamond Card holder will have absolutely positively NOTHING AT ALL to do with getting any comped or reduced room rates. That's determined by other factors completely unrelated to having a Diamond card; primarily your ADT, as used by their algorithm with some other metrics to calculate how they go about rebating a small percentage of your gambling losses in the form of hotel stays. And using your Diamond card to log-in daily at those "lounges" like that to regularly sup on the insipid finger food, while not doing substantial tracked gambling at those venues on those days, will quickly send your ADT into toxic waste territory.

The one person I know of who implemented something resembling this plan was an autistic fellow (and a member here) who, to continue persuing his gambling obsession, for a couple of years often slept in unlocked casino storage areas, in stairwells, on rooftops, and the like after his hotel stays dried up, while "living" on his Diamond card for sustenance. Until eventually most Las Vegas area (and many national) casino-resort properties, including Caesars, had permanently banned him. But that's just a story about someone else that won't be too relevant to you, since you'd never get to the point of being anything like that at all...

IMO, FWIW, etc. Good luck.
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August 18th, 2017 at 10:20:30 AM permalink
The best part is ZK went from never getting any players cards anywhere to the new plan of earning a diamond card at one of the most Evil Empires called CET by way of counting cards at BJ?? Just mind boggling!

All he has to do in Vegas is get players cards everywhere and play minimal amount of full pay VP and he would never have trouble with free food. Buffets aren't the best but you can easily get a well balanced meal every time. Even at the worst buffets you can get a salad. He also can get away with stiffing at the buffet with more ease compared to restaurants.
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August 18th, 2017 at 10:24:32 AM permalink
I agree with DrawingDead.

I'm all for working hard and saving money, but whats the point if you are not going to enjoy life and have some fun along the way?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 18th, 2017 at 10:34:11 AM permalink
Good thing about a nomadic lifestyle is that you can sell blood in every city without any pesky records.
Four spicy chicken sandwiches for $4 bucks a day at MickeyDs.
is a better plan than Diamond Lounges.
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August 18th, 2017 at 11:16:49 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Good thing about a nomadic lifestyle is that you can sell blood in every city without any pesky records.
Four spicy chicken sandwiches for $4 bucks a day at MickeyDs.
is a better plan than Diamond Lounges.



You are a big eater. I could survive easily on two a day ($2).
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August 18th, 2017 at 11:19:24 AM permalink
Whatever the case, wasting a CET membership going after the diamond lounge is a really bad idea. I don't know who suggested that or what their reasoning behind it was, but there is way more value earning DIAD if you use the right strategy afterward.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 18th, 2017 at 11:19:39 AM permalink
I don't understand why he doesn't just use some of his massive stock market and bitcoin gains to buy food. Those exist, right?
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August 18th, 2017 at 12:05:10 PM permalink
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I don't understand why he doesn't just use some of his massive stock market and bitcoin gains to buy food. Those exist, right?

You are damn right.
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August 19th, 2017 at 4:57:39 PM permalink
Four hours of my life I'll never get back reading this post start to finish. I've really got to check in more often. Look at all I've missed lol.
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August 19th, 2017 at 9:47:43 PM permalink
Could be worse! Another thread on bi - assed dice? Another post with 132 videos of why dice control does not work!
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August 21st, 2017 at 10:44:23 AM permalink
Whats a matter ZenKing and Stabworld did not find the blackjack cards shuffled like in CVBJ v.5???
certainly if those cards were hand shuffled and not machine shuffled he would have had a fighting chance...
i have no doubt in my mind both players count were dead on it was the machine shuffle that cause their demise!
i am also sure those two are not the first or be last to lose their bank rolls/bank accounts to those Automatic shuffler machines
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August 21st, 2017 at 11:32:42 AM permalink
i guess it still beats roulette 47.5 vs 49.9 they got more comps? after all isn't that what were all after!

i recommend 9/6 jacks or better ZK but good luck!
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August 21st, 2017 at 12:39:48 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Well the ideas of playing DD and getting diamond was an idea i received from a player who I have talked off this forum. He said to go to a couple tolerant caesars properties around the country to get diamond and that i wouldnt get backed off. Even if i get made, i would still have the diamond status as caesars doesnt retract the status once you have it. He said you can probably attain diamond within 3 days playing DD at these properties. I always thought blackjack comps weren't that great and have been tightened over the years, but he told me otherwise and that it could be done.

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Yeah, pretty much this. You can get diamond in a day with an expected POSITIVE EV if you factor in comps/return rewards/etc. Really makes ZERO sense to travel to try to find tolerant shops to grind at DD for diamond... less than zero sense actually. In fact, you should do your DIAD at any shops you want to make a decent impression on, as usually they more so like the VP plan than dislike it.
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August 21st, 2017 at 12:56:17 PM permalink
I suggest finding a rich sugar mama or daddy (whichever you prefer).

No doubt few successful counters used/use this method.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 21st, 2017 at 1:30:23 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I suggest finding a rich sugar mama or daddy (whichever you prefer).

No doubt few successful counters used/use this method.


ZK I think Axel is propositioning you. Keep him lubricated with Captain Morgan's and you could be in for a good time!
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August 21st, 2017 at 1:31:58 PM permalink
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ZK I think Axel is propositioning you. Keep him lunricated with Captain Morgan's and you could be in for a good time!

Dammit PG... You know what they say about giving away great AP plays on the forums! LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS.
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August 21st, 2017 at 2:32:06 PM permalink
Sorry my bad 😉

I hate iPhones, what the hell does lunricated mean? Lol
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August 26th, 2017 at 5:05:27 AM permalink
BOOM. New all time finally BREACHED.

+970 for the trip as well / 136.5 hours

Yo sidthesquid, i thought i failed or was going to fail?

Hey billryan, im not as good as i think huh? I went down -7k, came all the way back, went down 12k came all the way back, went down 10k came all the way back, and finally went down 4k and came all the way back to reach an alltime high in the bankroll in the process.

I smell another 6-7k soon to put me at EV. Really got to start putting more hours. I havw not put in half the hours i expected before i came here. The walking from store to store has been more than i thought it would be. Probably put in over 200 hrs walking alone due to keeping sessions at 30 minutes to an hour max.

King has finally arrived kids.
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August 26th, 2017 at 5:24:43 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

BOOM. New all time finally BREACHED.

+970 for the trip as well / 136.5 hours

Yo sidthesquid, i thought i failed or was going to fail?

Hey billryan, im not as good as i think huh? I went down -7k, came all the way back, went down 12k came all the way back, went down 10k came all the way back, and finally went down 4k and came all the way back to reach an alltime high in the bankroll in the process.

I smell another 6-7k soon to put me at EV. Really got to start putting more hours. I havw not put in half the hours i expected before i came here. The walking from store to store has been more than i thought it would be. Probably put in over 200 hrs walking alone


Good for you sir. Seriously, I celebrate your good fortune.

However, you hint that this latest advance in your fortune is something more than just another chunk of variance. It isn't, of course, except for the teeny tiny part that is calculable and which is down to your advantage.

'I smell another 6-7k soon' : Now that troubles me. It exhibits all the hallmarks of gambler's fallacy in as much as you seem to expect this streak to continue for no good reason
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I thought you were better than that.

Now. You really should count in your scouting time, which puts you at something like $970/336 or roughly $3 per hour. So you need to put in a lot more hours or get that rate up by exploring other AP opportunities.

Might I suggest you start a spreadsheet to plot out your bankroll's ups and downs. It might teach you something about your time usage patterns and show you how much 'random walk' you are experiencing.

Every number you quote screams normal variance. Skill and edge are still buried deep under that. Oh, there's too much self congratulation ( or even crowing)if I may say so. But at least the crooked cards and casinos sub-topic has faded.

Best wishes
OD
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August 26th, 2017 at 5:27:37 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

BOOM. New all time finally BREACHED.

+970 for the trip as well / 136.5 hours


I hope your taxes on those sessions don't wipe out all profit. Of course you are tracking tax due aren't you?

$:o)

No gambling tax for me in the UK. We have a less insane Tax authority here.
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August 26th, 2017 at 5:39:47 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Good for you sir. Seriously, I celebrate your good fortune.

However, you hint that this latest advance in your fortune is something more than just another chunk of variance. It isn't, of course, except for the teeny tiny part that is calculable and which is down to your advantage.

'I smell another 6-7k soon' : Now that troubles me. It exhibits all the hallmarks of gambler's fallacy in as much as you seem to expect this streak to continue for no good reason
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I thought you were better than that.

Now. You really should count in your scouting time, which puts you at something like $970/336 or roughly $3 per hour. So you need to put in a lot more hours or get that rate up by exploring other AP opportunities.

Might I suggest you start a spreadsheet to plot out your bankroll's ups and downs. It might teach you something about your time usage patterns and show you how much 'random walk' you are experiencing.

Every number you quote screams normal variance. Skill and edge are still buried deep under that. Oh, there's too much self congratulation ( or even crowing)if I may say so. But at least the crooked cards and casinos sub-topic has faded.

Best wishes
OD



First off, way to rain on my parade lol.

Secondly, im simply poking fun at the doubters thats all, of course 136 hours is still a short term sample size and this is mostly due to a positive flux upswing.

Lastly, you dont have to tell me or educate me about gamblers fallacy. Im probably one of the few who can actually explain the concept 'statistically' as i have done before on this site in a length post months ago. Of course youre never 'due' for a win. Thats not how the math works. The cards domt remember whether you won or lost, your edge and your ev is always the same wvery session.

Me poking fun at the 6-7k coming might sound like i was believing in me being 'due' but thats not how i want it to come across. Im just saying that ill 'eventually' hit my EV. I guess i used a poor choice of words by saying 'soon'. Then again it mightve been just a bit of joy that came out that i have been chasing for 3 months of pain.
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August 26th, 2017 at 5:46:34 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

No gambling tax for me in the UK. We have a less insane Tax authority here.


Yeah but you pay for that stupid, useless royal family.
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August 26th, 2017 at 5:58:14 AM permalink
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Yeah but you pay for that stupid, useless royal family.



Not arguing with you on that one!

However, I suspect that they are less expensive, less stupid and certainly less useless than your current wanna-be emperor.

$:op
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August 26th, 2017 at 6:00:32 AM permalink
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First off, way to rain on my parade lol.

Secondly, im simply poking fun at the doubters thats all, of course 136 hours is still a short term sample size and this is mostly due to a positive flux upswing.

Lastly, you dont have to tell me or educate me about gamblers fallacy.. . .
Then again it mightve been just a bit of joy that came out that i have been chasing for 3 months of pain.



I'll give you that. Just don't confuse your own jokey rhetoric with reality.
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August 26th, 2017 at 6:06:50 AM permalink
Zen

So now that you are in positive territory does that mean that perhaps the game is not fixed....or are you just that good? Does the mob still run all the games but you are just one step ahead of them?
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August 26th, 2017 at 6:46:35 AM permalink
Quote: vegas

Zen

So now that you are in positive territory does that mean that perhaps the game is not fixed....or are you just that good? Does the mob still run all the games but you are just one step ahead of them?



Im running with the latter.
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August 26th, 2017 at 6:55:41 AM permalink
From what I've seen on the net lately, I hear Golden Nugget in Louisiana not only welcomes card counters with open arms, but the owner "Phil Tillman" will actually come watch you win hundreds of thousands of dollars of his money per night!!

if you don't get the joke, watch this https://youtu.be/ee5-a3UM_sc and look up Dustin McCockoff on youtube.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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August 26th, 2017 at 3:39:24 PM permalink
Zenking I can't believe after all this you only have 336 hours! I've had more than that the last 3 months with a full-time job, going on evenings and weekends to the local casino as a hobby. Hell more hours than that have been collectively spent reading this thread! My only advice is more playing less walking... I usually sit down for 10 hours straight, counting and spreading aggressively, waiting for the tap that will tell me I have to find another casino or another hobby, which never came. 30 mins sessions might be playing it too safe... just my 2 cents.
Also, you dismiss Romes comment on gambler's fallacy but this confuses me:

Quote: ZenKinG

Me poking fun at the 6-7k coming might sound like i was believing in me being 'due' but thats not how i want it to come across. Im just saying that ill 'eventually' hit my EV.


I assume you are talking about your EV from now on, not from when you started, and I hope you will hit it!
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August 26th, 2017 at 3:51:19 PM permalink
Quote: tyler498

I assume you are talking about your EV from now on, not from when you started, and I hope you will hit it!

I have a bad feeling that some would be thinking about ev covering all past play and all future play combined. Which would be wrong of course.
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August 27th, 2017 at 9:49:24 PM permalink
Congrats ZenKing on his success? it maybe short lived or he can continue winning and extracting money from the tables either way he knows more about blackjack counting than most i read about on websites now i wanna know did you ever break through 100 max bets? are you real? or just some fat hairy old 45 year old man behind the computer? let me put it this way if i had a choice to bet if you were real for 20k$ win if you are and lose if you aren't i would not bet at all not saying you are who you say you are but i just dont know if you really did go to vegas and count cards or not

all that being said i never rooted against you or for you gambling with an egde just means that you could lose it all back in short couple months or continue to win your butt off either way good luck

one thing i dont get if card counting is real is how the tables and casinos permit you to extract thousands and thousands of dollars day in and night out?
they know exactly what table wins and losses and who wins and loses? if this was the 60s maybe harder to track but hell they even have computer chips in actually money chips so they know how much you bet why they don't ban you is beyond me heh
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August 27th, 2017 at 10:20:24 PM permalink
First off a bunch of members of this forum have met ZK so we have already proved that he is real. Second how has Sidthetroll... err I mean Sidthesquid (sorry damn auto correct) not been booted for his continuous trolling. I mean every post he makes is either an attack on someone or a blatant trolling.
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August 27th, 2017 at 10:25:36 PM permalink
ZK, remember you were the one that was going to quit, get a player's card, and tour the country looking for opportunities. Not one of us told you or asked you to do this. You then gloat that "we" were wrong.

In my opinion, your biggest enemy is yourself. You seem to know that you are playing with an edge, but you blamed (not anyone else) your losses on crooked cards and the gods. You were the one who used hyperbole to exaggerate how unlucky you were. You whined, moaned and bit**hed when you lost alot of money, and bragged and complimented yourself when you won a bunch back.

People on this forum pointed out that you didn't have the mental will to play your game correctly because you yourself illustrated by your words and actions that you didn't have this will.

It's pretty simple and statistical in the long run. You will play according to your advantage +/- a number of SD over the long run. Everything else is color commentary.
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August 28th, 2017 at 2:49:07 AM permalink
Quote: sidthesquid

one thing i dont get if card counting is real is how the tables and casinos permit you to extract thousands and thousands of dollars day in and night out?60s maybe harder to track but hell they even have computer chips in actually money chips so they know how much you bet why they don't ban you is beyond me heh

Thousands of dollars ebbing and flowing at the Blackjack tables is pretty much just random noise. Yes, the casinoes can get a good grip on who is AP and taking their money, but if they have any sense, they will just be very happy to have busy tables. Even a successful counter can be an asset if he encourages ten of his friends to suspect that it's an easy route to riches
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August 28th, 2017 at 12:07:11 PM permalink
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Im running with the latter.

If the game was actually fixed you couldn't beat it if you had an eidetic memory.

Congrats on one of many up swings after one of many down swings. Better buckle in and get used to the ride.
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August 29th, 2017 at 3:45:26 PM permalink
LOL. I honestly thought ive seen it all but once again hear this out. This is not even about losing. You want to know how cursed i am by god? Check this out.

So i wong into someones games and he asks me to wait cause hes had a good run. I tell him sorry, im playing. I play one round win one hand lose the other amd wong out since true count dropped. He gets mad and keeps playing and loses every round. I tell him hes not losing cause of me, streaks are imaginary etc. So now hear this.

I now tell myself, watch me get bad karma now just for this. Guess what happened next? I tell myself watch, the next shoe i play the guy next to me is going to get blackjack after blackjack and i will get runned over due to a simple bad gesture i gave to the guy for not waiting. And what happens? I head to bellagio and get run over and i dont get 1 blackjack and the guy next to me gets blackjack after blackjack. And the best part? I got two hands of 200 one round, one with a doubled 20, the other i split 10s catch an ace and the other catch another 10 for 20. TC dropped and no longer a split is warranted so i stay. I have a doubled 20, a 21, and a 20 against a 6. Dealer flips a 4 and an ace for 21 LOOL.

Do you guys see how cursed i am? This isnt even about the losing. I simply do one bad gesture and bad karma strikes. Not to mention i literally called it by saying the guy next to me will get blackjack after blackjack. I mean how sick is that? Its like god hates me. Im not even joking. What are the chances of that happening. Not to mention i didnt have a round like that all trip qith such a bad beat and for it to all simultaenously happen makes me absolutely laugh. Remember guys, bad karma only works for me but good karma is never to be seen. So funny its sickening.
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August 29th, 2017 at 3:54:51 PM permalink
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Do you guys see how cursed i am? This isnt even about the losing. I simply do one bad gesture and bad karma strikes. Not to mention i literally called it by saying the guy next to me will get blackjack after blackjack. I mean how sick is that? Its like god hates me. Im not even joking. What are the chances of that happening. Not to mention i didnt have a round like that all trip qith such a bad beat and for it to all simultaenously happen makes me absolutely laugh. Remember guys, bad karma only works for me but good karma is never to be seen. So funny its sickening.


If it's been Karma this whole time, just go volunteer at the soup kitchen and earn some future EV back.
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August 29th, 2017 at 4:07:12 PM permalink
Good karma doesnt exist for me. But as soon as i do one bad gesture the world falls on me. Just look at what happened for a second. Not only did i just lose big, but i literally called how i was going to lose. The guy will get all the blackjacks and ill get my ass handed to me. I mean how sick is that. I swearr my life is one big troll just to piss me off even more. I couldnt just lose, i had to lose exactly how i said i would lose.

Also when i touched my all yime high before i called it i would touch it and start losing big and what happened? I literally touched it not one bet over and i retrace 5k. Its just so fuckimg sick. Its not the losing, but its like i know the future already.

Even gods against me and i still cant be beat. God thats fuckimg impressive
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August 29th, 2017 at 4:25:31 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Good karma doesnt exist for me. But as soon as i do one bad gesture the world falls on me. Just look at what happened for a second. Not only did i just lose big, but i literally called how i was going to lose. The guy will get all the blackjacks and ill get my ass handed to me. I mean how sick is that. I swearr my life is one big troll just to piss me off even more. I couldnt just lose, i had to lose exactly how i said i would lose.

Also when i touched my all yime high before i called it i would touch it and start losing big and what happened? I literally touched it not one bet over and i retrace 5k. Its just so fuckimg sick. Its not the losing, but its like i know the future already.

Even gods against me and i still cant be beat. God thats fuckimg impressive



Honestly, and of course I am only speaking for myself, you are a fucking idiot. I'll see everyone when I get back after whatever the mods determine is the correct number of days for my transgression.
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August 29th, 2017 at 4:42:02 PM permalink
It has been over a year since Boz's most recent Suspension, which was for Seven Days, so I am going to not invoke the Martingale and go with another Seven Day Suspension.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 29th, 2017 at 5:14:53 PM permalink
If you knew this guy was going to get all the blackjacks and you were going to get bad karma, then why didn't you just cash out and quit for the day. Thats would I would do IF I could see the future.
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