D Day in Vegas
Drug dealers are technically business owners... and you could be their customer... but does that mean it's their duty to show you integrity? Casinos aren't exactly a shameless business. They make their money off people playing a game they simply can not beat in the long run. You should have known this going in...Quote: ZenKinGYour argument is not apples to apples. Casinos are a business. We are their customers. It is their duty to show the integrity of a game before we play it...
I think that's the problem you don't understand. We DO understand where you're coming from, and we've come out the end on the other side to realize it was just variance and hit near EV after X amount of hands. As I've stated before, do you think you're the first person to think the casinos could be cheating? lolQuote: ZenKinGYou guys can call me crazy, but you guys never saw the cards either and are defending a blind point of view. If anything all of you should at least understand where I'm coming from.
Quote: SkepticCan anyone name an industry more strictly regulated than casino gaming?
Medical...aviation....
Quote: DeMangoSo what's the record on WoV for length of a thread in pages?
my boy varmenti had a pretty long one where he trolled us all over a bet about how many pages he could make it go.
Quote: GWAEmy boy varmenti had a pretty long one where he trolled us all over a bet about how many pages he could make it go.
If it's coded correctly there shouldn't really be a hard cap beyond the storage capacity of the database or data-type that numbers posts.
But this forum software is wonky.
Quote: PokerGrinderDidn't the discussion of the suspension list hit like 1000 pages?
Don't know, but lets not count suspension lists as they are of many topics of suspension. Unless of course you had a suspension list strictly for Hot Blonde activities!
After the answer, back to all things Zen King!
That guy(Ahigh) you are referring too is still a member here. Love him or hate him, Ahigh is not a con-artist. And his games were damn good.Quote: SkepticThe thread by that con-artist pushing his pinball game covered in fur made it to 54 pages.
Are you mixing him up with B79?Quote: GWAEmy boy varmenti had a pretty long one where he trolled us all over a bet about how many pages he could make it go.
Quote: AxelWolfAre you mixing him up with B79?
I don't think so but very possible.
I read pages 100-109 but couldn't find what I was looking for.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/15164-baccarat-partner-betting/109/
The serious money is in a book, wherein you reveal definitively that the fix is in. The strip will become a ghost town, populated only by weekend millenials paying for bottle service with Daddy's credit card.
Quote: CalderYou've got it figured out, ZK, I don't know why you waste your time on this board. Clearly, it's populated by industry shills and pikers lacking your analytical skills. After all, you don't call yourself King for nothing.
The serious money is in a book, wherein you reveal definitively that the fix is in. The strip will become a ghost town, populated only by weekend millenials paying for bottle service with Daddy's credit card.
Pretty hard for it to become a ghost town, when its nearly impossible to prove and regulators wont help at all. The courts would never revoke their license. The most that would happen is that they just fine them like always. Casinos run this town, NOT the government. They make simply way too much money off of them. The state would lose so much tax revenue that they would be in a crisis. Nevada relies heavily on casino tax revenue.
I'm simply never placing a bet again at any casino that comes with pre shuffled cards and doesn't spread them face up. Completely layghbale at the lack of transparency to its customer base and regulation going on in this town.
Quote: DeMangoDon't know, but lets not count suspension lists as they are of many topics of suspension. Unless of course you had a suspension list strictly for Hot Blonde activities!
After the answer, back to all things Zen King!
Ok then I will go with the chip of the day thread at 660 pages and counting. No suspensions in that thread either.
Quote: speedycrapI find this thread very informative.
I don't. To precis: Rich kid who saves money by living at home comes out with 60k to make it in Vegas by counting cards, his only skill that he seems to appreciate despite having a "useless" college degree. He has an abnormally high degree of paranoia. He has (understandably, at that age) a high degree of anxiety and stress from making the decision. Loses immediately on the strip, and the paranoia that he displayed when he thought the cops were going to rob him on the I-40 to Vegas got displaced to an unproven theory (yet leaves it to us to disprove) that the strip casinos are using crooked preshuffled chinese decks to rob him of his money because he has had a string of negative variance which in turn has destroyed his self-confidence in his ability to play the game to the point where rather than taking personal responsibility for failure, he has to come up with a theory that the casino must be cheating him.
Various ways to help him prove/disprove his theory have been sent his way, including going to the tables when they open, performing a count of cards as they come out of the shoe, looking for other evidence of cheating. Various people have tried to help him, including people who are known advantage players meeting up with him to provide free advice.
A good ending to this story would be that he adapts, becomes somewhat successful at counting, gets backed off, but learns other plays in the meantime such that when the inevitable happens he has other ways to make it in Vegas without resorting to finding "work". An equally good ending to this story is that he loses most of his money, decides to return home to find a more realistic life, sticks 5 dollar in a $5 slot machine, wins 50K and goes home with wisdom gained, nothing lost.
Quote: JohnzimboNahhhhhhh, the $5 slots are gaffed too!
You and the rest can continue to give sarcastic replies all you want. The fact of the matter is, not one person has yet stood up and said that they've seen vegas STRIP casinos spread the cards face up and in order. Everyone who said they come in order are talking about casinos off strip. These STRIP casinos do not spread the cards face up when they open the table nor when they change the cards per my phone conversation with Caesars(im sure the rest are the same way on the strip) and so far nobody has vouched that they do either.
Instead what we get, is some unregulated china shop halfway across the world exporting preshuffled packs of cards to these casinos where they just open up the pack, inspect the back of the cards and then just throw them in the ASM without any questions asked, and if you dare ask them to flip it over they laugh at you and tell you to call gaming if you think they're cheating. The same Gaming that told me that they don't inspect shit, but rather their enforcement comes from 'random periodic checks'. LOL. Anyone with half a brain would deem this whole procedure suspicious, but instead I'm crucified on the forum for asking a simple honest question. Granted, I did ask them to flip over the cards mid-day which they obviously won't do, but per the phone conversations and talking with dealers, they don't show them anyway when they change the cards.
Completely shady strip. From now on, I'm gonna just play off strip or not play at all since I know off strip sweats the action pretty profusely. So far this vegas trip has been a disaster and nothing short of miserable. You would think a mid to late 20s kid in Vegas with money would be crazy to say that, but it is what it is, I can't enjoy myself knowing my bankroll is being decimated and not knowing exactly what is going on behind the scenes. I don't even care about losing, that's the math of the game, but I at least thought this town was somewhat trustworthy and regulated. From what I've seen and heard, this has been a joke.
I wont be returning home either and be labeled a failure by so called 'i told you so' gurus who have no idea what theyre talking about. So now Im gonna have to find a way to still be successful. Of course I always come out ahead in anything I do, this will be no different.
Quote: ZenKinGPretty hard for it to become a ghost town, when its nearly impossible to prove and regulators wont help at all. The courts would never revoke their license. The most that would happen is that they just fine them like always. Casinos run this town, NOT the government. They make simply way too much money off of them. The state would lose so much tax revenue that they would be in a crisis. Nevada relies heavily on casino tax revenue.
I'm simply never placing a bet again at any casino that comes with pre shuffled cards and doesn't spread them face up. Completely layghbale at the lack of transparency to its customer base and regulation going on in this town.
Whoosh!
Didn't even have to duck.
Quote: ZenKinGI wont be returning home either and be labeled a failure by so called 'i told you so' gurus who have no idea what theyre talking about. So now Im gonna have to find a way to still be successful. Of course I always come out ahead in anything I do, this will be no different.
I don't think I have ever met a person with such a large ego when they have accomplished exactly nothing in their lives. You are a spoiled brat who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and all you can say is how unlucky you are. You are nauseating! Your parents brought you up with every opportunity and all you can say is that they gave you opportunities that you didn't want. You know how many kids would love to have parents who paid for their education? Do you understand that poor kids either take on massive amounts of debt to get that degree that you call useless or don't get one at all because they have no access to the kind of money that it would take to pay for a degree. You got to play organized sports growing up, a lot of kids don't get that opportunity. Instead you see it as unlucky since you got injured which ended your "career". You got to travel overseas to play video games, who cares if you didn't win anything? You got the life experience of travel. I have friends who are almost 30 and have NEVER even been on a plane! Do you think that maybe they would have loved to have the chance to travel and finish in second place and get a free video game system? Your attitude that everything should come easy to you in life is disgusting. You play the woe is me card way too damn much!
Oh and by the way before you say I am jealous of your upbringing or anything, I was born with the same big ass silver spoon in my mouth that you were. The difference is that I take every day not spent 6 feet under as another opportunity to do some good in the world. I do charity work 6 days a week at a soup kitchen when I am in my hometown. I think that you should really go to a soup kitchen in Las Vegas and volunteer so you can see that you have it pretty damn good. Also it is just a good deed to help the less fortunate and it will make you feel pretty damn good about yourself. I struggled with that last part since I thought it was selfish to feel good about charity work but in reality there is nothing wrong with that. Also I am not just poker player, when I am in my hometown which granted is not that often, I help out at my parents businesses since hard work never hurt anyone. It is good to understand a hard day's work. I am not trying to be mean but you just don't get how good you have it in life. You are a privileged white (I am assuming, sorry if I am incorrect) male living in a 1st world country. You have nothing to complain about, except maybe that your country is led by a corrupt egomaniac, sorry had to get a shot in at Trump.
I am not even going to bother to talk about your paranoia about the casinos cheating as I think it is just your excuse to yourself for when this counting thing fails. You will be able to tell yourself the deck was stacked against you and it wasn't your fault. I hope this rant hits home with you although I have zero faith it will because the great ZK doesn't need or take advice you have already shown that! I'm done, rant over. Go back to talking about how tough your privileged life is.
P.S The casinos aren't cheating you.
It is patently obvious that you lack the most elementary understanding of zen concepts and teachings.
It is an insult to those who actually look into zen, seeking to grasp the thread of their lives.
Quote: MrVWhy do you call yourself "ZenKinG?"
It is patently obvious that you lack the most elementary understanding of zen concepts and teachings.
It is an insult to those who actually look into zen, seeking to grasp the thread of their lives.
I assume it's because he uses the Zen system of counting.
One of the things about Zen is while it can be great for those who master it, it can also be wildly inaccurate if you make small mistakes.
Quote: PokerGrinderI don't think I have ever met a person with such a large ego when they have accomplished exactly nothing in their lives. You are a spoiled brat who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and all you can say is how unlucky you are. You are nauseating! Your parents brought you up with every opportunity and all you can say is that they gave you opportunities that you didn't want. You know how many kids would love to have parents who paid for their education? Do you understand that poor kids either take on massive amounts of debt to get that degree that you call useless or don't get one at all because they have no access to the kind of money that it would take to pay for a degree. You got to play organized sports growing up, a lot of kids don't get that opportunity. Instead you see it as unlucky since you got injured which ended your "career". You got to travel overseas to play video games, who cares if you didn't win anything? You got the life experience of travel. I have friends who are almost 30 and have NEVER even been on a plane! Do you think that maybe they would have loved to have the chance to travel and finish in second place and get a free video game system? Your attitude that everything should come easy to you in life is disgusting. You play the woe is me card way too damn much!
Oh and by the way before you say I am jealous of your upbringing or anything, I was born with the same big ass silver spoon in my mouth that you were. The difference is that I take every day not spent 6 feet under as another opportunity to do some good in the world. I do charity work 6 days a week at a soup kitchen when I am in my hometown. I think that you should really go to a soup kitchen in Las Vegas and volunteer so you can see that you have it pretty damn good. Also it is just a good deed to help the less fortunate and it will make you feel pretty damn good about yourself. I struggled with that last part since I thought it was selfish to feel good about charity work but in reality there is nothing wrong with that. Also I am not just poker player, when I am in my hometown which granted is not that often, I help out at my parents businesses since hard work never hurt anyone. It is good to understand a hard day's work. I am not trying to be mean but you just don't get how good you have it in life. You are a privileged white (I am assuming, sorry if I am incorrect) male living in a 1st world country. You have nothing to complain about, except maybe that your country is led by a corrupt egomaniac, sorry had to get a shot in at Trump.
I am not even going to bother to talk about your paranoia about the casinos cheating as I think it is just your excuse to yourself for when this counting thing fails. You will be able to tell yourself the deck was stacked against you and it wasn't your fault. I hope this rant hits home with you although I have zero faith it will because the great ZK doesn't need or take advice you have already shown that! I'm done, rant over. Go back to talking about how tough your privileged life is.
P.S The casinos aren't cheating you.
First off you never 'met' me and that's the the exact problem here. You sure like to throw out hundreds of assumptions like you knew how I grew up. You and others seem to think I grew up in some rich privileged life with everything given to me since day 1. You guys don't know anything about me so let's start there. Everything I got in my life, I earned, including the car I paid off with cash. That's right never got a loan or anything like everyone else and guess what with money that wasn't given to me. I've worked multiple jobs simultaneously, saved up, never wasted money on drugs, partying, drinking, etc like every other kid. So for you to sit here and tell me all of this was given to me and that it didn't take hard work or discipline and that I'm just some privileged white kid, you're way off the mark and I'm trying my best to not call you something and get banned. Every other kid I grew up with and im willing to say 90% of the population all could've done what I did or have what I have, but they either didn't have the work ethic to work two jobs, do well in school, graduate or have discipline with money their whole life and not spend foolishly on women, drugs, clothes etc. But for you to just sit here and throw that all aside and ASSUME everything magically was given to me, do yourself a favor and quit now with your argument.
Regarding people who didn't have money to get a degree or went into debt to get a degree, that's their poor decision. I would've never gone to school if it wasnt paid for and even told my parents to send me to a cheaper school to save money because I didn't know exactly what I wanted to do like 99% of kids at 19 years old, but they wouldn't listen. Turns out the degree was just another scam in this money hungry greedy world. They brainwash kids and parents all throughout high school to go to college and if you don't you're doing it wrong or some type of loser compared to everyone else. They expect a kid at 19 years old to k ow what he wants to do with his life when he hasn't had any experience whatsoever in the world and with their brain still developing. Its all an agenda based pressure to steal your money and pay tuition. Absolutely sickening.
If youre here telling me how good I have it and that I don't know what I have, let me go ahead and tell you I have what I have cause I worked my ass off to have it and that i was discipline enough throughout my whole life to have it. Go take your little assumptions about me being some little rich kid somewhere else because you don't know anything about me.
Just laughable. One pit boss even told me they come pre shuffled to 'save time'. Really? Saving time? Who the hell runs these corporations? They're completely splitting hairs if that's some type of profit strategy. You have no problem showing two decks of cards, but it would be some type of profit loss by spending another 60 seconds to check 4 more decks? 99% of the time after a dealer changes cards there's no one even at the table. So whoever's brilliant idea this was at the top of the chain is a complete idiot if this was a profit motive. All it does is bring up red flags and suspciion, because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Also, what happens with thhand shuffled games where there is no ASM to check if there is a card missing such as in the MGM pit? Now what? You just completely wing it without checking? Their other argument is the old 'we wouldn't risk our license to cheat' LOL. I think we all know the answer to that. How many times in the past have casinos cheated and how many times did they lose their license? Quite easy from a state govt perspective. Take the casinos license away and lose hundreds of millions or billions in tax revenue. Hmm hard choice.
Quote: monet0412IMHO Las Vegas is by far the easiest town to live in if you have some self control. I know players who have horrible control blowing bankroll after bankroll but they always make the rent, eat for free and blow thousands on massages and other forms of selfish pleasure. I've actually met ZK. I myself couldn't see teaming up with him but I'm not a very good team player anyway. However I never have a problem sharing info on plays that you run into like a progressive, promo, weak dealers, mail, comps... etc etc. However, he is dead set on counting cards right now. I understand that. I was stuck on poker only while people were making 75k a year playing quarter video poker and didn't listen either. He is going to do what he wants how he wants and that ok. I just don't understand the crazy posting but it's been a year reading his lunacy. I'm not sure what he wants. From my understanding it is to build a large bankroll and start a business but he is unsure about almost all and any details. So it appears to me he has no 5 year plan that he is precisely executing out. I guess he is winging it? I am all about winging it but for me it has always been one main focus for 20+ years for me. My main thing is that I'm at war with the Casinos and at times other players and it is my goal to crush them into as much powder as possible. This means my mind set is I'm going to win money in the long run at any and all costs. If I have to stop playing a certain game and learn another to stay in the war you can bet that's what I am going to do. In war it is very important to keep adapting so you can overcome. Enjoy the summer heat while your in town ZK!!
Your loss then. You guys think I'm a liability, when its actually the complete opposite. You guys like to make assumptions about me when you don't even know me as well. I'll bet you right now you'll never meet someone as honest and sincere again in the AP world again, but you rather make little assumptions about me, which have been completely unwarranted by the way, as all I've been asking is for the casino to show some type of integrity.
There's no other game in the casino that is as sketchy as what they do with blackjack, maybe baccarrat. The procedures are a joke. They show the cards in every other game. If I could just know every game was being dealt fair you wouldn't hear a peep from me. Its hilarious how I'm the bad guy when its the casinos fault for not simply showing some integrity. I can't believe everyone takes the casinos side on this. Oh that's right, I forgot, you ask a question these days thats 'way out there' or 'different' and you're immediately labeled crazy or some type of conspiracist and the funny thing is, my question is just a normal question. Why wouldn't someone wonder if a game is fair if the cards are never shown?
I guess now the answer to all of this, is I'll be forced to play pitch games because they actually show the cards there and in order. Never playing a shoe again
No one on this forum doubts that the casino is dealing a fair game, especially a strip casino. We don't doubt the casino because there are insiders on this forum (including no doubt, dealers at major casinos on the strip) who would have said something to a regulator if they knew they were cheating patrons. And it would be kind of painful financially for a casino to explain to a random regulator why a pile of their decks are missing cards. And it's never happened before in recent memory.
And yes, the strip is very shady, but honestly so:
- 6-5 blackjack.
- 1-3-6 3 card poker instead of 1-46
- mostly crappy video poker pay tables generally all at sub 98%
- generally overpriced food and drink unless you are playing
- crappy and depreciating comp system for ploppies
- diminishing slot returns.
Quote: SkepticThe thread by that con-artist pushing his pinball game covered in fur made it to 54 pages.
Hey.
He's a member in good standing. You don't get to take off-topic shots. WARNING.
Quote: AxelWolfAre you mixing him up with B79?
No, he's not. Varminti had a bet about getting x amount if posts and y amount of views on his troll thread. He bragged about it while we were playing whack-a-mole on his alt ID's.
Quote: pokergrinder...spoiled brat....
Personal insult. WARNING.
Guys.
Don't get the banhammer warmed up. Please.
Thank your lucky stars instead that YOU know enough about life, gambling, poverty, and the rest that you can appreciate life's gifts and keep things in perspective.
This is Aesop's Fable about the Fox and the Grapes
http://read.gov/aesop/005.html
(read it, it's 1 page)
in the 21st century. Aesop had ZK figured out 2600 years ago.
Quote: beachbumbabsPersonal insult. WARNING.
Guys.
Don't get the banhammer warmed up. Please.
Thank your lucky stars instead that YOU know enough about life, gambling, poverty, and the rest that you can appreciate life's gifts and keep things in perspective.
This is Aesop's Fable about the Fox and the Grapes
http://read.gov/aesop/005.html
(read it, it's 1 page)
in the 21st century. Aesop had ZK figured out 2600 years ago.
Sorry Babs. Won't happen again.
Quote: GWAESo is the troll trying to out the OPS identity?
Just flag the post until it disappears. That's what I did. (Don't ban me again.)
Advantage games really appeal to my nature so I have joined the forum to interact with the experts and hopefully gain knowledge towards card counting and other advantage plays.
Quote: GWAESo is the troll trying to out the OPS identity?
Quote: RSJust flag the post until it disappears. That's what I did. (Don't ban me again.)
I think both of you are jumping to wild conclusions based off 1 post. You guys should know better than most that drawing conclusions from small samples can be very dangerous.
Quote: AdamWFIFAHello, my name is Adam and I am a long time acquaintance of lonewolf and zenking.
Advantage games really appeal to my nature so I have joined the forum to interact with the experts and hopefully gain knowledge towards card counting and other advantage plays.
I think both of you are jumping to wild conclusions based off 1 post. You guys should know better than most that drawing conclusions from small samples can be very dangerous.
Adam,
Unfortunate forum name you've chosen. We get a lot of FIFA spammer "members" who have to be removed. Chances are, that's what the guys were referencing. I myself thought I would have to remove you before I read your second post.
However, the jury's still out: your posts so far make it ambiguous whether you're here for anything from lively and informed conversation, to targeted trolling of one or more members. So, welcome for now, and it's up to you from here.
Quote: beachbumbabsAdam,
Unfortunate forum name you've chosen. We get a lot of FIFA spammer "members" who have to be removed. Chances are, that's what the guys were referencing. I myself thought I would have to remove you before I read your second post.
However, the jury's still out: your posts so far make it ambiguous whether you're here for anything from lively and informed conversation, to targeted trolling of one or more members. So, welcome for now, and it's up to you from here.
Based on his post, I believe he's not a spammer.
Quote: beachbumbabsAdam,
Unfortunate forum name you've chosen. We get a lot of FIFA spammer "members" who have to be removed. Chances are, that's what the guys were referencing. I myself thought I would have to remove you before I read your second post.
I understand where you are coming from, but like I said, drawing conclusions off small samples can be dangerous! Regarding my username, 'AdamW' has always been my alias - Like Zenking, I also come from a FIFA background.
Quote: beachbumbabsAdam,
However, the jury's still out: your posts so far make it ambiguous whether you're here for anything from lively and informed conversation, to targeted trolling of one or more members. So, welcome for now, and it's up to you from here.
Thanks for the welcome and your understanding - if not suspicion! I look forward to participating on the site and learning from the many people on this forum that are smarter than myself.
Quote: IbeatyouracesBased on his post, I believe he's not a spammer.
I agree. Thought I said that above. Saw his name on the forum home page, went to read what he wrote before I nuked him, but expected to nuke him. Moved on from spammer to content.
Quote: AdamWFIFAI understand where you are coming from, but like I said, drawing conclusions off small samples can be dangerous! Regarding my username, 'AdamW' has always been my alias - Like Zenking, I also come from a FIFA background.
Thanks for the welcome and your understanding - if not suspicion! I look forward to participating on the site and learning from the many people on this forum that are smarter than myself.
All good. Thanks for your understanding in return.
Quote: RSYou know how much coin in or # of hands over that period of +$15k winnin's on 25c 9/6 JOB+NSUD?
These damn machines are cheating again....
Quote: boymimboYeah. It shorted you 2,726 credits!
PROOF!!!
Quote: IbeatyouracesPROOF!!!
Just to add about the AdamFIFA guy, he is a real person and honest username. I told him about the site as he was interested in AP in general once i told him about blackjack. I've competed with him as well on the FIFA circuit and that's how I know him. He was and is still is one of the top FIFA players in the world, believe it or not. I think he will be a good addition to the site. He's a bit more calm than i am, so im sure you will appreciate him more.
Quote: AdamWFIFAI look forward to participating on the site and learning from the many people on this forum that are smarter than myself.
Why don't you just take your cues from ZenKing? He's smarter than anyone here.
