hatecasino2
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January 13th, 2017 at 10:36:20 AM permalink
Interesting case. I appreciate you can share the story with us. I really hope some posts here can discuss the legal issue in the gaming establishment so that people could have a better idea what should they act when they are in similar situation. Like my situation, if time could go back, I would try to leave the casino so that I won't be 86ed.

When I was charged with trespassing, I initially worried a lot. But later I realized that if this is a threat to me, then it could be an opportunity for me if I can get away with the trespassing charge because I am a reasonable person and acting reasonably in the casino. Just like playing on the table, now I realized that the odds might just slightly shift to my side at this moment and I do not want let this chance slide away since I know it is so so so difficult for normal people to get the first bucket of gold in their life. Like ZenKing's post on the first page, even though APs can beat the casino with couple percentage edge, casinos do like what APs are doing, then they start kicking people out.

I am not trying to use any advice here in the trial. All I want to do is to share what I have been through and get some insights from people. And I will not let anyone here take any responsibilities by providing me the advice. Instead, I appreciate all the comments and will consider them with my actual situation.

Thanks
hatecasino2
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January 13th, 2017 at 10:40:03 AM permalink
All right, let me try to repost those link and I believe they will help the AP here,

OP: http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/27018-arrested-for-trespass-need-help-please/
AB 161: http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/76th2011/Exhibits/Assembly/JUD/AJUD606F.pdf

Let me know if you have some thoughts
KingoftheEye
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January 13th, 2017 at 11:54:44 AM permalink
You won't want to hear this, but I'd recommend dropping it and moving on. Here's why:

Casinos play the long game, that's how they make their money.

You knew you were trespassed from the casino, but you seem to be hanging your case on a technicality that they didn't read you the trespass act and specifically say you couldn't go to another casino they own. As a plaintiff, you will be hard-pressed to convince a judge that you were wronged here. You knew you were in the wrong by entering a casino owned by the same company and you did it anyway. The Security Sup that apprehended you was acting in good faith so any case against him just for arresting you will probably be summarily dismissed with prejudice. What get's you off in a criminal case, probably won't carry enough weight to win a civil case.

Even if you win round one, the casino will appeal and crush you in appeals court. Hence, long game. Appeals court judges may have no interest in your case since it will seem to them on the same level as someone spilling hot coffee on themselves, then suing McDonalds.

Unless you were beaten by security, I'd take the victory in criminal court and move on. Is it worth years of your life for maybe $25K?
darkoz
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January 13th, 2017 at 12:39:37 PM permalink
Quote: KingoftheEye

You won't want to hear this, but I'd recommend dropping it and moving on. Here's why:

Casinos play the long game, that's how they make their money.

You knew you were trespassed from the casino, but you seem to be hanging your case on a technicality that they didn't read you the trespass act and specifically say you couldn't go to another casino they own. As a plaintiff, you will be hard-pressed to convince a judge that you were wronged here. You knew you were in the wrong by entering a casino owned by the same company and you did it anyway. The Security Sup that apprehended you was acting in good faith so any case against him just for arresting you will probably be summarily dismissed with prejudice. What get's you off in a criminal case, probably won't carry enough weight to win a civil case.

Even if you win round one, the casino will appeal and crush you in appeals court. Hence, long game. Appeals court judges may have no interest in your case since it will seem to them on the same level as someone spilling hot coffee on themselves, then suing McDonalds.

Unless you were beaten by security, I'd take the victory in criminal court and move on. Is it worth years of your life for maybe $25K?



Make certain an attorney tells u this before dropping it. Funny but attorneys routinely spend years getting these decisions. Never seen an attorney say not worth it too many years (unless the case truly isn't merited of course)

As for the hot coffee example at mcdonalds watch the doc called hot coffee. Everyone derided that case until they saw thr evidence. The woman was served coffee at 200 degrees farenheit and recieved 4th degree burns the pictures of her injuries were horrifying. So KOTE did not really use a good example imo
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darkoz
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January 13th, 2017 at 12:46:35 PM permalink
Also many of these cases r settled for $100k and up even without being physically assaulted not just $25k

Im surprised KOTE thinks these awards r so low. Maybe thats why casinos think they can keep getting away with it
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hatecasino2
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January 13th, 2017 at 1:37:12 PM permalink
What I am thinking right now is to sue the security sup first, because he is the signing the citizen arrest form, which will make himself liable for the false arrest and false imprisonment. To sue casino with those two offenses would be extremely difficult because security sup will be the witness under this circumstance and I believe casino attorney will have a little talk with him to instruct his talking on the court even though that is illegal. Therefore, I need to change the strategy little bit. That way, hopefully, casino attorney will not respond to his help since it is a case against him instead of the casino. He needs to hire his own attorney for his case. That would be easier for me to handle that person comparing to the gaming establishment. In terms f casino, I am planning to sue them later (depending on the previous case) for racial discrimination with a selected jury trial to maximize my odds.

That is so far my plan and I am currently working on the law and ordering trial transcript. Hopefully, things would work out. I know it is hard, but it worth trying.
Joeman
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January 13th, 2017 at 1:50:57 PM permalink
[disclaimer] I am not a lawyer. None of the following is based on any personal experience. [/disclaimer]

Perhaps security supervisors make more than I realize, but even you win, how likely are you to collect much of anything from him? The casinos have much deeper pockets and are more likely to pay more to make this "go away." Why not name everyone involved as defendants?


It seems like you are doing a good job aligning your ducks, but seriously, talk to a lawyer. Many offer free consultations. Major -EV not talking to a lawyer!
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MathExtremist
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January 13th, 2017 at 2:03:03 PM permalink
Quote: hatecasino2

What I am thinking right now is to sue the security sup first, because he is the signing the citizen arrest form, which will make himself liable for the false arrest and false imprisonment. To sue casino with those two offenses would be extremely difficult because security sup will be the witness under this circumstance and I believe casino attorney will have a little talk with him to instruct his talking on the court even though that is illegal. Therefore, I need to change the strategy little bit. That way, hopefully, casino attorney will not respond to his help since it is a case against him instead of the casino. He needs to hire his own attorney for his case. That would be easier for me to handle that person comparing to the gaming establishment. In terms f casino, I am planning to sue them later (depending on the previous case) for racial discrimination with a selected jury trial to maximize my odds.

That is so far my plan and I am currently working on the law and ordering trial transcript. Hopefully, things would work out. I know it is hard, but it worth trying.

Chances are the terms of his employment provide legal coverage for him with respect to actions he undertakes during the course of his job. But the point is that whether you're right or wrong, you shouldn't be the one trying to navigate these decisions. That's exactly what attorneys are for -- to do that legal work for you.

You have the right to represent yourself, but if you screw up your pleadings then it's an easy summary judgment dismissal for the other side and you're done. Civil litigation like this is a business decision -- you need to determine whether your potential paths to recovery are worth the initial time and money expenses. You might win and still lose money overall, and that makes it a bad decision. I don't know whether you have a case or not, but the real point is that, really, neither do you. Step one is to ask counsel that question. If you can't find an attorney to take your case on spec, that'll tell you a lot.
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teliot
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January 13th, 2017 at 2:04:27 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

It seems like you are doing a good job aligning your ducks, but seriously, talk to a lawyer. Many offer free consultations. Major -EV not talking to a lawyer!

Apparently he prefers to boastfully ignore advice from a bunch of non-lawyers rather than invest $500 to get a proper opinion. This whole thing smells funny.
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darkoz
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January 13th, 2017 at 2:31:29 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Apparently he prefers to boastfully ignore advice from a bunch of non-lawyers rather than invest $500 to get a proper opinion. This whole thing smells funny.



Yeesh i hope this isnt aimmee part 2

Wasnt ther a troll on here a few months prior asking for legal advice about his 15 yr old daughter until one our regulars found he had made a similar thread 4 years ago on a different site and his daughter wad 15 then as well

R we getting trolled by attention seekers. It seems the only motive
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