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ZenKinG
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November 18th, 2016 at 2:52:55 PM permalink
Well here it is guys. The 2 step process to eliminate all future backoffs forever, but there's one caveat. The way it can only work is if EVERYONE starts to do this. The process is simple. Here it goes.

Everyone start wearing a I LOVE JESUS white T-shirt in big black bold letters. Wear a white hat with HEAVEN in big black bold letters and anything else religious. It doesnt have to be catholic or christian, it can be whatever religion you support. Now when they finally deem you a threat to their bottom line and want to back you off for counting cards, all you need to do is wave your arms and point toward your shirt for the camera and make it seem as if they are kicking you out on the basis of religion which no business in the country can do.

Secondly, after you get backed off with this, go to every single table and tell them they're throwing you out because of your religion. Tell everyone to not play here anymore and that the management is discriminating against peoples' religions. The players will obviously believe you because they dont know they're kicking you out for card counting, all they see is you being kicked out period.

So now you put the casinos in a very awkward position. Not only do they have a potential lawsuit to face for discriminating against your religion, but now they face the problem of losing business from other players because they dont want to play in a discriminating casino.

Thanks.
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November 18th, 2016 at 3:13:03 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Well here it is guys. The 2 step process to eliminate all future backoffs forever, but there's one caveat. The way it can only work is if EVERYONE starts to do this. The process is simple. Here it goes.

Everyone start wearing a I LOVE JESUS white T-shirt in big black bold letters. Wear a white hat with HEAVEN in big black bold letters and anything else religious. It doesnt have to be catholic or christian, it can be whatever religion you support. Now when they finally deem you a threat to their bottom line and want to back you off for counting cards, all you need to do is wave your arms and point toward your shirt for the camera and make it seem as if they are kicking you out on the basis of religion which no business in the country can do.

Secondly, after you get backed off with this, go to every single table and tell them they're throwing you out because of your religion. Tell everyone to not play here anymore and that the management is discriminating against peoples' religions. The players will obviously believe you because they dont know they're kicking you out for card counting, all they see is you being kicked out period.

So now you put the casinos in a very awkward position. Not only do they have a potential lawsuit to face for discriminating against your religion, but now they face the problem of losing business from other players because they dont want to play in a discriminating casino.

Thanks.



I promise you that would not work. It's all been said before. You'Re kicking me out because:

My race
My religion
I'm winning
I know you're cheating
I don't live around here
I'm too big
I won last time
Etc., etc., etc.

When someone gets backed off or asked to leave, it's generally documented pretty well. Your picture has been taken, your play has been watched and noted by multiple people. Surveillance has recorded and saved the session.

It doesn't matter what you say or do at that point.


ZCore13
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mcallister3200
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November 18th, 2016 at 5:05:32 PM permalink
Does it really matter whether they can back you off or if they just cut the shoe in half? Whether or not they can bar you is different.
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November 18th, 2016 at 6:08:29 PM permalink
There are plenty of Christians gambling and none of them feel persecuted nor would believe it.
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ZenKinG
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November 18th, 2016 at 8:26:39 PM permalink
But have any of them made it known they were christian by wearing a shirt that says I LOVE JESUS.

LOL
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November 18th, 2016 at 8:28:43 PM permalink
None of those people ever had a religious shirt at the time of the backoff now did they? Going to be hard to prove in a court of law that they didnt discriminate against you when its just words vs words and you got added physical proof of a t shirt and you waving your arms in relation to it.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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November 18th, 2016 at 8:51:09 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

None of those people ever had a religious shirt at the time of the backoff now did they? Going to be hard to prove in a court of law that they didnt discriminate against you when its just words vs words and you got added physical proof of a t shirt and you waving your arms in relation to it.



I think you are on to something. Keep us informed. Start a GoFundme page for your legal fees.
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November 18th, 2016 at 8:57:16 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

None of those people ever had a religious shirt at the time of the backoff now did they? Going to be hard to prove in a court of law that they didnt discriminate against you when its just words vs words and you got added physical proof of a t shirt and you waving your arms in relation to it.


All they'd have to prove in court was a valid presence for the reason of the backoff ("AP play was present, and he was ejected for that reason alone"), making what you're claiming ("religious persecution") declared irrelevant. An affidavit from the dealer or any player present would falsify your argument. This ploy is so fundamentally dishonest and absurd it is ridiculous.

Secondly, the false claim of religious persecution in a casino is so manufactured and fundamentally dishonest that you'd be open to a perjury claim, and it would disgrace AP's in general ("Look what these guys stoop to, no lie is beneath them! Are they really that ethically challenged?? Yes."), - This is something generally hard to do.

Openly advocating a false and totally manufactured claim against anyone innocent of that claim, even a casino, is a non-starter.
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onenickelmiracle
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November 18th, 2016 at 9:35:27 PM permalink
However somehow casinos do discriminate against people with disabilities making them wait in lines with no accommodations. Blind, lame or old, stand there until you die or drop $20,000, pretty much. Rarely you do see handicapped lines at some places, NY Indian casinos being the only place I've seen them. It's nonsense the hassle you run into of their own creation, when lobbies with sitting areas and numbers could be taken. The casinos want these lines imo to create demand for Diamond cards. They used to provide quicker service we can all agree and almost anyone will start feeling pain after standing in line 10 minutes.
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November 18th, 2016 at 9:50:04 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

All they'd have to prove in court was a valid presence for the reason of the backoff ("AP play was present, and he was ejected for that reason alone"), making what you're claiming ("religious persecution") declared irrelevant. An affidavit from the dealer or any player present would falsify your argument. This ploy is so fundamentally dishonest and absurd it is ridiculous.

Secondly, the false claim of religious persecution in a casino is so manufactured and fundamentally dishonest that you'd be open to a perjury claim, and it would disgrace AP's in general ("Look what these guys stoop to, no lie is beneath them! Are they really that ethically challenged?? Yes."), - This is something generally hard to do.

Openly advocating a false and totally manufactured claim against anyone innocent of that claim, even a casino, is a non-starter.



Geeze, you act like the guy is pulling up in a wheelchair to hole card the game. Wait a minute, now that's the ticket, in a wheelchair with a "Jesus" shirt. Hallelujah, I'm gonna be rich. Watch out casinos here I come.
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November 18th, 2016 at 9:51:02 PM permalink
Casinos providing poor service, particularly for the disabled, to create demand for tiered cards is sad and unacceptable, true. I wouldn't consider this discrimination as much as generating demand for premier services, or being cheap with the resources.

At Vegas casinos, I generally walk up to a table, onto a slot machine, or into a restaurant in a straight-away fashion, no delay.

However, manufacturing false claims of discrimination through a Jesus T-shirt as vengeance for a backoff or for a manufactured lawsuit, is off base thinking.
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November 18th, 2016 at 9:52:54 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Geeze, you act like the guy is pulling up in a wheelchair to hole card the game. Wait a minute, now that's the ticket, in a wheelchair with a "Jesus" shirt. Hallelujah, I'm gonna be rich. Watch out casinos here I come.


That seems to be the thinking.
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November 18th, 2016 at 10:33:47 PM permalink
Let us know how this awful idea works out for ya, zenking.
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