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November 9th, 2016 at 7:51:01 PM permalink
The TriLux, if I the name right, is a blackjack side bet found somewhere in Ohio. I'm not sure where. It is like the 21+3 but pays the dealer a bonus upon any player winning hand. For all the details, please see my new page on Tri Lux side bet. As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections.

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November 10th, 2016 at 5:42:35 AM permalink
Table column headers need work for at least four tables.
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November 10th, 2016 at 6:55:15 AM permalink
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

Table column headers need work for at least four tables.



Thank you; you're right.
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November 10th, 2016 at 7:38:47 AM permalink
I don't get how the George payout works. Flat pay amount? Regardless of the bet amount?

Also, you're not clear about the George bet being for the dealer. I mean, the typical ploppy doesn't know what a "George" is.

Also, while I do tip dealers, and encourage others to do likewise, I want it to be my decision, and not built into some weird side bet.
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November 10th, 2016 at 10:54:12 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I don't get how the George payout works. Flat pay amount? Regardless of the bet amount?



Yes. It is a flat win regardless of the bet amount.

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Also, you're not clear about the George bet being for the dealer. I mean, the typical ploppy doesn't know what a "George" is.



I will try to make that more clear.
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November 10th, 2016 at 11:11:09 AM permalink
Auto-gratuity has entered the world of casino gaming...

I'm a little surprised how well players have taken to the change. Contrast this with the utter disgust people show when the restaurant bill hits them with an auto-grat of 18%.
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November 10th, 2016 at 1:10:56 PM permalink
Ok. So if the George payout is a constant, is the edge calculated based on a minimum bet?

Also, if it's constant, doesn't the edge go up if the bet is higher?
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November 10th, 2016 at 2:16:00 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Ok. So if the George payout is a constant, is the edge calculated based on a minimum bet?

Also, if it's constant, doesn't the edge go up if the bet is higher?


I think it goes down because a $10 side bet isn't as impacted by a $1 George pay vs. a $1 bet and the same $1 George pay...or do I have that wrong?
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November 10th, 2016 at 2:18:25 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Ok. So if the George payout is a constant, is the edge calculated based on a minimum bet?

Also, if it's constant, doesn't the edge go up if the bet is higher?



The house edge of the player's bet does not depend on the Lucky George bonus, because the player does not get that money. As you can see on my page, I treat them separately. I'm sure the casinos would be interested to know their cost, because they have to pay on both, but it is supposed to primarily be a site for players.
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November 10th, 2016 at 2:19:52 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

I think it goes down because a $10 side bet isn't as impacted by a $1 George pay vs. a $1 bet and the same $1 George pay...or do I have that wrong?



Maybe I should create a table showing how much the casino can expect to make according to the pay table and amount wagered.
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November 10th, 2016 at 2:24:52 PM permalink
Wiz, I think the assumption in the comments are that the George Pay is really being taken from the player because it isn't added to their win. This concept is based on the fact that the casino is going to put in a side bet with an overall HE of X based on all pays that they have to make when it wins. If X is constant, they are giving some of the RTP to the dealer instead of the player, so to me the George bet does directly impact the "theorectical" HE the casino is offering to the player...but your way to calc the constant HE is the correct one and the one that the player is up against when deciding to make the bet.
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November 10th, 2016 at 2:27:16 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Maybe I should create a table showing how much the casino can expect to make according to the pay table and amount wagered.


Too much work and I don't think it benefits your player audience. The game inventor/distributor should put that together for sales purposes...is this a SHFL knockoff of 21+3? They started the dealer auto pay with Kings Bounty, so it makes sense this is one of their concepts as well.
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November 10th, 2016 at 3:16:36 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Too much work and I don't think it benefits your player audience. The game inventor/distributor should put that together for sales purposes...is this a SHFL knockoff of 21+3? They started the dealer auto pay with Kings Bounty, so it makes sense this is one of their concepts as well.



Too late. I already added a couple tables for that. It will probably make it even more confusing for the player.

Did anybody interpret my page to mean the player was required to pay the Lucky George bonus out of his winnings? If so, he doesn't. That bonus comes from the casino.
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November 10th, 2016 at 3:25:19 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The house edge of the player's bet does not depend on the Lucky George bonus, because the player does not get that money.

I get what you mean, but in this case, House Edge does not equal Player Disadvantage.

I don't expect additional math/chart columns, but i think it should be mentioned and/or labeled as such.
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November 10th, 2016 at 4:24:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Did anybody interpret my page to mean the player was required to pay the Lucky George bonus out of his winnings? If so, he doesn't. That bonus comes from the casino.


I think I am adding to the confusion...I don't think the player pays the dealer out of their winnings and I doubt anyone else did. My point is I would consider the Lucky George bet as won by the player as they were the only one making a wager and then being forced to give it away as toke money.

Based on principle alone I would simply make a $1 wager on the main bet and avoid any side bet with increased the HE to subsidize an forced toke. And I toke dealers more than most players when I am at the table, so that isn't the issue.
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November 10th, 2016 at 5:53:23 PM permalink
Quote: TheoHuxtable

Auto-gratuity has entered the world of casino gaming....

Is there a difference in tax treatment, either for the dealer or the casino, between receiving $1 from gaming operations vs. receiving $1 as a hand-in tip vs. receiving $1 as winnings from this wager?
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June 9th, 2017 at 9:19:05 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The TriLux, if I the name right, is a blackjack side bet found somewhere in Ohio. I'm not sure where. It is like the 21+3 but pays the dealer a bonus upon any player winning hand. For all the details, please see my new page on Tri Lux side bet. As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections.

Which questions in the poll do you agree with? Multiple votes allowed.


As I reported yesterday, Greektown added this side bet to 3 of their tables. The tables are 4 deck CSM's. Your page only lists the HE for 6 decks. Anybody have the numbers for a 4 deck game based on pay table 1? (all wins pay 8 to 1)

P.S. These 3 tables are also 6:5 games and should be avoided anyway!!!!!
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June 9th, 2017 at 11:37:25 AM permalink
Read farther down the page he lists the house edge for different number of decks.iirc it was in the 12-13% area.
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June 9th, 2017 at 12:15:40 PM permalink
D'oh! I don't know how I missed that. Thanks.
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July 11th, 2018 at 11:28:24 AM permalink
Today's TriLux doesn't include a dealer bonus, at least not where I play (Hollywood in Lawrenceburg Ind.) The two bets, I call Little Trilux and Big Trilux, small one pays 9 to 1 for Straight, Flush, 3OAK, Straight Flush, 3OAK suited. You MUST play the Little to bet the Big. Big max is $10, Little max is $100. Minimum on each is $1 and the Big must equal or be higher than the Little. You do not have to play the Big. The Big pays 3OAK (90-1), Straight Flush (180-1) and 3OAK Suited (270-1). I didn't play BJ before Trilux and only play it for the Trilux. I've financed all of my playing since December on Trilux wins and I only bet $5 on the Big and usually $10 on the Little. It's on every BJ table with both continuous shuffle and shoes. I never play the shoe tables.
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July 11th, 2018 at 11:38:06 AM permalink
Quote: richeilers

Today's TriLux doesn't include a dealer bonus, at least not where I play (Hollywood in Lawrenceburg Ind.) The two bets, I call Little Trilux and Big Trilux, small one pays 9 to 1 for Straight, Flush, 3OAK, Straight Flush, 3OAK suited. You MUST play the Little to bet the Big. Big max is $10, Little max is $100. Minimum on each is $1 and the Big must equal or be higher than the Little. You do not have to play the Big. The Big pays 3OAK (90-1), Straight Flush (180-1) and 3OAK Suited (270-1). I didn't play BJ before Trilux and only play it for the Trilux. I've financed all of my playing since December on Trilux wins and I only bet $5 on the Big and usually $10 on the Little. It's on every BJ table with both continuous shuffle and shoes. I never play the shoe tables.



Interesting, thanks.

You have a contradiction in your post, though.

You say Big must be equal or higher than Little.

Then later you say your standard bet is $5 Big and $10 Little. Could you clarify, please?

I think I would play this sidebet. Sounds like Top3 that's on top of some 9-1 flat pays for a bet common these days, I can't remember the exact name, but it involves a + symbol. I'll see if I can find it. You can play either or both on those tables, though.

Yeah, wizard mentions it in the OP. 21+3, and some tables add TOP3 to that felt. I've won w/ 3OAK or SF a few times. Sweet bet.
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July 11th, 2018 at 12:32:12 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Too late. I already added a couple tables for that. It will probably make it even more confusing for the player.

Did anybody interpret my page to mean the player was required to pay the Lucky George bonus out of his winnings? If so, he doesn't. That bonus comes from the casino.




Aww come on. From the casino really ???
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July 11th, 2018 at 1:32:01 PM permalink
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August 9th, 2021 at 1:00:07 PM permalink
I noticed a new pay table for the Tri Lux at the 7 Cedars casino in Washington, that adds a level for a Mini Royal. For more details, please see version 4 in my Tri Lux page.
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April 17th, 2022 at 2:14:31 PM permalink
Wizard, have you considered adding details about the progressive version of the Trilux side bet?

https://www.tulalipresortcasino.com/Base/File/ONEclub-1120-GameRules-RackCard-TriLuxBlackjack-Prog-WEB

Tulalip mentions the game online, including pay table, but it's available at multiple local casinos.

Thanks!
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