Countable game?

Hi guys, I'm totally new to card counting and is still trying to remember the I18 indices =P

So there is this live dealer shoe game offered at my online casino and I'm wondering if this game is countable

6D
Double on any split
1 card on split aces
split once only
S17
3:2 blackjack
ENHC
no surrender
70-78%pen
min 2 dollars max 5k

Quote: dajakesta

Hi guys, I'm totally new to card counting and is still trying to remember the I18 indices =P

So there is this live dealer shoe game offered at my online casino and I'm wondering if this game is countable

6D
Double on any split
1 card on split aces
split once only
S17
3:2 blackjack
ENHC
no surrender
70-78%pen
min 2 dollars max 5k

Barely. The deep pen is pretty much all it has going for it. The Live dealer games I have played had a rubbish 50%pen with mostly those rules and at tc+3 betting opportunity I was lucky to get 10 games in in a long evening session of counting, Pointless unless you are wonging or betting a massive spread. Then they boot you for counting, which they can detect with ease.

Do you have the BR to lose a few $5,000 bets? Play $2 until you get a monster count and then throw out $5,000. Best have ten max bets you can easily afford to lose though.

Quote: billryan

Do you have the BR to lose a few $5,000 bets? Play $2 until you get a monster count and then throw out $5,000. Best have ten max bets you can easily afford to lose though.

You'll wait all night for a monster count of tc+4 or better and often not have one show up. Even then your edge would only be about 1.5%

Index plays will barely ever come into play.

I did watch a guy playing $5 a hand all day and pushing out 300 at tc+2 and 500 at tc+3.
He was online doing that for about 4 months then either got banned or went bust. You have to bet within ROR calculation limits. Wonging helps a lot, but most online gaffs boot you from the table after a few minutes not betting. As I say, dead easy for them to detect you because thay have computers reading the cards in real time and preparing stats against you. " Red Flag: This guy bets big at count TC+3 and bets min the rest of the time. Ding Ding. You're banned"

Those online live tables are GREAT places to practice counting though.

I'd be betting minimum until count was + 10, then the max. The fact that I was still flat betting at plus 5, plus 7 counts would confuse them.
Patience is its own reward.

Quote: billryan

I'd be betting minimum until count was + 10, then the max. The fact that I was still flat betting at plus 5, plus 7 counts would confuse them.
Patience is its own reward.

Hmmmm why waste a good count when they are so few and far between.
Their automated stats are simply not subjective or susceptible to confusion. Their real time analytics will be keeping exact track of the true count or even a real time calculated real time house edge. Any bet ramping on those high counts would put the player on a watch list with operations team.

Average BS player not counting, flat bet at all counts: average house edge about 0.7% No red flag.
Perfect BS player max betting at TC+10 would trigger an automated red flag report to the ops team. do it repeatedly over a few weeks and your ass would be grass.

Even the fact that a player is a medium term winner, regardless of counting, potentially get his ID on a watch list.

First off, a couple of $5,000 wins would be fine. In the second, why play perfect BS at $2. Play it 90% of the time and don't make a couple of proper splits or doubles.
you arent worried about hitting singles, or triples. You want to crush a few six run homeruns off them and cheerfully accept banishment.

Ok then, my biggest question is this. Why would they, the live dealer game provider, check the count if they're not being affected by my bets financially?

Quote: OnceDear

Wonging helps a lot, but most online gaffs boot you from the table after a few minutes not betting.

Very simple to get around that. I'm more worried about cheating and not getting paid.

Alright guys, I think I'm still underfunded for counting as my replenishable bankroll is 250, i don't think I can spread too well with that even with 2 dollars, it's a crappy proposition. I'll try to find a job and learn more about card counting while at it

Quote: dajakesta

Alright guys, I think I'm still underfunded for counting as my replenishable bankroll is 250, i don't think I can spread too well with that even with 2 dollars, it's a crappy proposition. I'll try to find a job and learn more about card counting while at it

$250. Yes that is a bit underfunded. Start from a ROUGH rule of thumb of having a bankroll of 100 max bets if your edge is 1%, 50 max bets if your edge is 2%, etc.

Quote: AxelWolf

Very simple to get around that. I'm more worried about cheating and not getting paid.

Simple. Yes, I know ;o) Being cheated by non-payment is a real threat that goes hand in hand with having your account closed with confiscation of all the money in it. ;o( A VERY REAL RISK.