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DogHand
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February 5th, 2021 at 1:59:45 PM permalink
Two quick questions:

1. How many decks?

2. Are the payouts on a "X-to-1" basis, or a "X-for-1" basis? In other words, if you win the sidebet, do you get your 1.5 euros back as well?

Dog Hand
charliepatrick
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February 5th, 2021 at 2:19:30 PM permalink
There's a similar bet in the UK at (some?) Grosvenor Casinos - https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/blackjackgrosvenoracekingsuited.html and you place your £1 and the button lights up signifying you've made your bet. Thus the payouts in this version are "for 1".
Peterpan2119
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February 6th, 2021 at 3:35:27 AM permalink
Hi Dog,

Thanks for the reply. It is six decks with pen between 1-1.5 (sometimes 1.75 but that is rare
And dealer dependent).

The payout includes your initial wager. In other words; you pay up front, they take that bet (I talk about the sidebet of course) and if you win you get the fixed pay out based on the table...

Was this an answer to your question?

Best regards
FlyingHigh
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February 21st, 2021 at 7:19:15 AM permalink
Hi Dog,

were you able to look at the countability of this side game?

best regards
ChumpChange
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February 21st, 2021 at 8:31:44 AM permalink
So if you win $1500 on a $5 bet, that's 299 to 1, or 300 for 1. Does W-2G enter into this payout?
OTOH, is a million dollar jackpot withheld for taxes or can you just phone photo the big check to your bank account?
In this age of COVID, I'll be taking lump sums, not 20 year payouts.
heatmap
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February 22nd, 2021 at 5:52:06 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

So if you win $1500 on a $5 bet, that's 299 to 1, or 300 for 1. Does W-2G enter into this payout?
OTOH, is a million dollar jackpot withheld for taxes or can you just phone photo the big check to your bank account?
In this age of COVID, I'll be taking lump sums, not 20 year payouts.



Id be stealing big checks off of pictures if that was the case imo
DavidColdman
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February 22nd, 2021 at 3:37:35 PM permalink
Blackjack is a game of chance and skill. I always use a surrender strategy, I play when players are allowed to surrender or fold their arms before making a hit. After all, often, I'm not ready to lose the entire amount, so I can risk only half of my bet.
unJon
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Thanks for this post from:
miplet
February 22nd, 2021 at 5:08:43 PM permalink
Almost but not quite passes the Turing Test.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
DogHand
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February 23rd, 2021 at 10:15:11 AM permalink
Quote: Peterpan2119

Hi Dog,

Thanks for the reply. It is six decks with pen between 1-1.5 (sometimes 1.75 but that is rare
And dealer dependent).

The payout includes your initial wager. In other words; you pay up front, they take that bet (I talk about the sidebet of course) and if you win you get the fixed pay out based on the table...

Was this an answer to your question?

Best regards



Now, I do count cards. Hi LO with an Ace side count, so my instinct tells me, this game is countable with an Ace side count. What I have done so far is if the TC is 2+ and the Ace side count is lower than 2 per decks remaining (so in other words if 3 decks remaining there should be on average still be 12 Aces in the deck, but I use half of that so in my example remaining aces need to be 18), I play the sidebet. With this tactic I am a little bit up on the sidebet (not major).

Peterpan2119,

Sorry for the delayed response... I didn't see this post until just the other day.

By the way, are you also "FlyingHigh", who posted the following:

"Now, I do count cards. Hi LO with an Ace side count, so my instinct tells me, this game is countable with an Ace side count. What I have done so far is if the TC is 2+ and the Ace side count is lower than 2 per decks remaining (so in other words if 3 decks remaining there should be on average still be 12 Aces in the deck, but I use half of that so in my example remaining aces need to be 18), I play the sidebet. With this tactic I am a little bit up on the sidebet (not major)."

If not, I hope FlyingHigh can explain this Ace sidecount concept in more detail. Please explain how you calculate the "Ace side count is lower than 2 per decks remaining" part. For example, if 4 decks have been played and the number of Aces remaining is 10, would this qualify? What if 12 Aces remain?

At any rate, I find the house edge on this sidebet to be a whopping 53.76% when the Jackpot is 5000 EUR.

For a Jackpot of "J", the Return to the player is

{-0.70156532124633568406774062634981 + 3.2782570145753073036731119172311e-5*J} EUR

This means that the breakeven Jackpot is J = 21400.5588... EUR

Here are the calculations:

6D Game

Case 1: AK Suited + Dealer any AK

Case 2: AK Suited

Case 3: AK Colored

Case 4: Any BJ

Case 5: Loser

Calcs:

P1 = {2*(24/312)*(6/311)}*{2*(23/310)*(23/309)} = 3.2782570145753073036731119172311e-5

P2 = 2*(24/312)*(6/311) - P1 = 0.00293531043010158801031721397111

P3 = 2*(24/312)*(6/311) = 0.00296809300024734108335394509028

P4 = 2*(24/312)*(96/311) - (P1 + P2 + P3) = 0.04155330200346277516695523126391

P5 = 1 - (P1 + P2 + P3 + P4) = 0.95251051199604254266633687855553

Pays (on a "to-1" basis, in EUR):

R1 = Jackpot - 1.5

R2 = 90 - 1.5 = 88.5

R3 = 40 - 1.5 = 38.5

R4 = 10 - 1.5 = 8.5

R5 = -1.5

Return = -0.70156532124633568406774062634981 + P1*J

so when J = 5000:

Return is -0.53765247051757031888408503048826

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

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