waasnoday
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October 9th, 2015 at 3:58:34 PM permalink
Quote: RS

That's been a "problem" for quite a while now, over a year. I know someone who was using someone else's card....gaming came out....everything got straightened away and gaming said they didn't give a hoot if he used someone else's card, as long as it's legit and has permission. This was in Ohio.

Not sure about Indian casinos though.



Varies from place to place. We most of the time just take the card if the names don't match and ask the player to either get a card under their name or just play without a card. In the case I mentioned in the previous post, the play occurred back in January of 2014 and is just winding through the court now. They mentioned enough in the email and on the poster to get me interested but not enough to tell me what was actually done. It looks like the prosecutor is going for identity theft, fraud, and money laundering.
MrV
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October 9th, 2015 at 4:07:57 PM permalink
Call security and or the pit and ask for clarification.

Was it a permanent ban?

Was it from BJ pit only?

Can you still gamble at the other games?

A phone call shouldn't hurt, and it might help.
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darkoz
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October 9th, 2015 at 5:09:04 PM permalink
Quote: waasnoday

Varies from place to place. We most of the time just take the card if the names don't match and ask the player to either get a card under their name or just play without a card. In the case I mentioned in the previous post, the play occurred back in January of 2014 and is just winding through the court now. They mentioned enough in the email and on the poster to get me interested but not enough to tell me what was actually done. It looks like the prosecutor is going for identity theft, fraud, and money laundering.



This sounds like someone who stole other peoples cards and cracked their pins or even used false ID to alter accounts in their names.

Identity theft - using other peoples cards without their knowledge, possibly using fake ID to change the pins at the rewards desk.

Fraud - using the above action to steal the comps and value obtained by others from the casino.

Money laundering - Using the fake identifications/accounts to claim winnings to clean money from criminal activity.
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darkoz
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October 9th, 2015 at 6:31:18 PM permalink
Are you referring to this?

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/12/11/drug-busts.html

EDIT: never mind, there are two dates on the website, todays and the date this article was published in 2013. I didn't see the older one.
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October 9th, 2015 at 7:05:34 PM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

I'm awfully skeptical that they can charge you a rate different than the agreed rate after you leave. They might TRY, but you would beat them in court in a heartbeat IMO if they pushed the issue. Your honor here is the contract I signed at check in showing that the room would be complimentary. The management tried to change the rate some weeks after I checked out.The idea that you should "confirm that they have withdrawn the 86" is also suspect, why point out to them that they have kicked you out before?



I understand your skepticism. You could be right about it being winnable. I've not been in that exact situation, so I'm extrapolating that it's a qualifying situation. I've been backcharged several times over the years (or the paying person in our party); extra $100 tacked on by Hertz once for extra cleaning a car, took a hotel robe I thought was comped (a long time ago) and was backcharged, we had a messy party in a snow chalet and were backcharged for excessive cleaning (used the fireplace, brought in a lot of food and beer, etc.). All of those showed up several days later/on the next statement without any further notification.

Someone who's been trespassed might have their comp bounce back, especially if the hotel is a client of the casino or vice versa (like the LVHilton was a separate entity from its attached casino and there had to be accounting between the two). In that case, the hotel might well charge rack rate since they didn't get the comp validated. Or, if you're on some exclusion list and they can match you up and prove you knew you were trespassed, they could easily charge your card. But I don't know that they would; I'm just saying they could.

In the particular way he described the 86, when I wrote that, it seemed it might be a valid question. In most cases, I don't think I'd ask the question.
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djatc
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October 9th, 2015 at 7:31:33 PM permalink
Take the mailer with you and have it on you at all times, get the paperwork from the front desk stating you have a comp room.
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October 9th, 2015 at 9:14:35 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Even though nothing came of it, her being surrounded led to a huge argument where she "accused me of sending her into the line of fire" (her words). Not everyone understands the politics of casinos and how much authority security really has. Just be ware before you send your wife in while you remain "protected". You might have more to fear from the wrath of your wife afterwards.



Not true if you are trying to get rid of said girlfriend/wife. Might teach her a needed lesson in respect for her man.
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April 16th, 2016 at 4:05:12 PM permalink
Thought I would close the loop on this one real quick. After receiving another mailer directly from the executive host at the property for $100 in free slots, I gave this gentleman a call as he included his business card in the mailer. I simply told him I would like to accept it, however I am not sure I can, as security asked me to leave the casino and never come back a few weeks ago, without giving me any reason why. I asked if he could check into it and get back to me.

About a day later he called me back and mentioned that security has banned me from returning to the casino (used the term 86ed). He was not able to tell me why, but kindly mentioned that he could not offer any further comps to me and I was not allowed to return.

Talk about a huge disconnect between the security, executive host, marketing, and the hotel. You would think they would have their act together more? I have not returned since and I never will.

It was interesting playing at another nearby casino a few weeks after. I was counting and noticed several security guards by the exit not too far in front of me. They were on their walkie talkies, clearly looking my way, and after a few minutes started waking over towards me. Just as I am thinking not again, they met with a mechanic and started disassembling an ATM machine located directly behind me. I got a good laugh after that one...
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April 16th, 2016 at 4:19:06 PM permalink
I would have taken the room, if that was the only comped room you could get. Then give them no play. Keep the mailer as proof of the comp in case they try to charge you for the room upon leaving (which I'm almost certain they wouldn't). The mailer and room offer have nothing to do with the casino 86ing you. If that weren't true you would never have gotten the comped room offer.

Sleep in the room. Stay off the casino floor. With no action you will almost for sure not get any future comped room offers. (This exact scenario happened to me at one of the Station properties.)

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