Romes
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October 5th, 2015 at 8:20:39 AM permalink
I'm not going to advise one way or another, just give my honest opinion of the situation...

First, you were backed off playing a $5 table and a 1-12 spread... LOL @ casino.

Next, it sounds (to me) like they just kicked you out. Were you playing rated? If so, then they have your info and could have filled out a trespass form, BUT it sounds like you didn't sign anything, etc, correct?

The reason it sounds like they just kicked you out is they didn't kick you out of your hotel room. When they hard bar people they love taking your room(s) away too. Just on an outside perspective it sounds like a PB noticed something like you said, and was mildly irritated enough to just get you off the tables. It doesn't sound like he, or security, went through the formal act of trespassing you. Did they read you the trespass act? It didn't sound like they did... just a "get outa here" kind of attitude.

Given they let you stay in your hotel, that would also be grounds for doing what you proposed... just stay there, but don't go to the gaming floor. Not only did they invite you back (yes I get that their mail can be behind), they made it clear the last time that you COULD in fact visit/stay in the hotel even after asking you to leave the gaming area. Another kicker here is you read them your card number for the comp. The mailing might be backed up, but if your card is flagged, it should be flagged. I would imagine they would see that on their screens when booking the room and deny you at that point. This again leads me to believe a slightly annoyed PB just wanted you out of there for the night and they didn't even do anything formally to your card. After all, you're a $5 player costing them a hair under $8/hour (given a .36% HE game).

Lastly, I want to again re-iterate this is just my opinion and outside view from what I've read thus far... If you really wanted to test the situation, just have your wife (or a girl that says she's your wife) go play at the $5 table and use your card. If they give her any hassle she can just say you're her husband and you guys use the same card. Either way, you should know within minutes of her getting swiped in if your card has an issue or not. This would let you know where you stand while protecting you =).
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darkoz
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October 5th, 2015 at 8:39:54 AM permalink
I agree with Romes on everything except the last part about sending in your wife or girlfriend. I had a situation that was similar where I sent in a friend with clearly not her players card and when security came she freaked. Even though nothing came of it, her being surrounded led to a huge argument where she "accused me of sending her into the line of fire" (her words). Not everyone understands the politics of casinos and how much authority security really has. Just be ware before you send your wife in while you remain "protected". You might have more to fear from the wrath of your wife afterwards.
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Wizard
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October 5th, 2015 at 8:47:09 AM permalink
First let me say that just because you got a mailer doesn't mean that they changed their minds about the warning. Security is a totally different department than marketing and I doubt they communicate much.

My advice is that if you value the room offers, then go ahead and discretely take them, but heed the warning to stay off the casino floor. Once they see you're taking rooms and not playing the offers will dry up soon anyway.
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October 6th, 2015 at 11:29:20 PM permalink
Even if the room is comped, everywhere I've stayed has required a credit card posted on the room, as well as an ID where they can match you up on your player info (address, DL#, birthdate, whatever). So IMO they have you coming and going, because if they audit the checkout they can whack your card for the full rack rate even after you've left. I don't think I'd risk sliding by; either confirm they've withdrawn the 86 or stay away.
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Excursion
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October 7th, 2015 at 7:53:24 PM permalink
I think you are spot on Romes. They just pulled me away from the table, told me I need to leave immediately and never come back. They said I could stay in my hotel, and wouldn't answer me as to why they were kicking me out. They never asked me to sign anything, or even verbally confirm any type of trespass agreement. They had a small African girl escort me out the front door (and flirted with me the whole time), who mentioned she didn't know what I did but if I called then they would probably let me back in.

I do recall in hindsight catching eyes with the PB, probably after reducing my bet after a BJ when a bunch of face cards were dealt. Again, didn't think they would give a @*&# about a $5 low roller like myself.

When I called in to book the hotel on my players card, the person booking me did hesitate for a few seconds, but then did confirm he comped the room. Confirmation was emailed, but his hesitation did give me the slightest amount of concern.

I think i would probably be OK just staying in the hotel and not entering the casino, but really not worth risking any type of legal trouble. I don't think I would have anything happen that a good lawyer wouldn't fix, but why even risk the trouble. Possible arrest and mark on my clean record not worth an $80 dollar hotel room. Appreciate all the input, cheers...
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October 8th, 2015 at 12:55:04 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

First let me say that just because you got a mailer doesn't mean that they changed their minds about the warning. Security is a totally different department than marketing and I doubt they communicate much.



There is most definitely a 'disconnect' of failure to communicate among departments at SOME locations, most notably a disconnect between marketing and security/surveillance.

Bob Nersesian has addressed this issues a couple times, stating something to the effect that 'legally' a mail offer, especially a mail offer involving any kind of play, like free slot play, match plays or free bet coupons, is in fact an invitation to the property and will negate any kind of prior barring or trespass deal, as they invited you back.

BUT, because of this communication disconnect, you very well may have spend quite a bit of money in legal fees getting to the point that a judge would make that ruling and even then, the casino would just turn around and re-ban you and make sure any and all offers stopped.

So it's one of those situations where you would win the case at considerable expense, but what have you really won?? :/ (shades of Kenny Uston).
waasnoday
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October 9th, 2015 at 2:58:17 PM permalink
Sorry for a bit of derail, but something came across my desk that I thought I would share with all here. The beginning of the this week a wanted poster for two individuals was emailed to me from one of our information networks. The two are wanted for suspicion of fraud and identity theft. What brought on the charges was basically fraudulent use of player club cards. There was a lot more on the poster and email which I can not go into, but if anyone here is using other peoples' player cards or getting cards under assumed names just be aware that there is some elevated risk out there right now. From what I have been able to gather this is mainly focused in the Ohio area. That is all I am comfortable with stating but if I run across an actual news article about this I will pass it along.

In regards to this thread, what the Wizard posted is very correct. Marketing does not like to share with nor listen to other departments for the most part. Maybe that is different in other casinos but the place I work at does have major communication issues within and between several departments.
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October 9th, 2015 at 3:13:12 PM permalink
Quote: waasnoday

Sorry for a bit of derail, but something came across my desk that I thought I would share with all here. The beginning of the this week a wanted poster for two individuals was emailed to me from one of our information networks. The two are wanted for suspicion of fraud and identity theft. What brought on the charges was basically fraudulent use of player club cards. There was a lot more on the poster and email which I can not go into, but if anyone here is using other peoples' player cards or getting cards under assumed names just be aware that there is some elevated risk out there right now. From what I have been able to gather this is mainly focused in the Ohio area. That is all I am comfortable with stating but if I run across an actual news article about this I will pass it along.

In regards to this thread, what the Wizard posted is very correct. Marketing does not like to share with nor listen to other departments for the most part. Maybe that is different in other casinos but the place I work at does have major communication issues within and between several departments.



That's been a "problem" for quite a while now, over a year. I know someone who was using someone else's card....gaming came out....everything got straightened away and gaming said they didn't give a hoot if he used someone else's card, as long as it's legit and has permission. This was in Ohio.

Not sure about Indian casinos though.
bigfoot66
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October 9th, 2015 at 3:23:04 PM permalink
Quote: Excursion

The casino was in Western Louisiana. After doing a quick google search on casino trespassing, it is clearly something I don't want to mess with. I canceled the reservation, not worth it when I can book a room near other casinos for $80. Still puzzling that when I called to book the room originally that they still comped the room for me with my players card number? Anyways, not worth the risk for such a small reward...
I appreciate the input, cheers...



Sounds like you got caught at Aisle of Capree Lake Charles. Play at La Burge and Goulden Nougat instead for a while.
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October 9th, 2015 at 3:32:20 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Even if the room is comped, everywhere I've stayed has required a credit card posted on the room, as well as an ID where they can match you up on your player info (address, DL#, birthdate, whatever). So IMO they have you coming and going, because if they audit the checkout they can whack your card for the full rack rate even after you've left. I don't think I'd risk sliding by; either confirm they've withdrawn the 86 or stay away.



I'm awfully skeptical that they can charge you a rate different than the agreed rate after you leave. They might TRY, but you would beat them in court in a heartbeat IMO if they pushed the issue. Your honor here is the contract I signed at check in showing that the room would be complimentary. The management tried to change the rate some weeks after I checked out.The idea that you should "confirm that they have withdrawn the 86" is also suspect, why point out to them that they have kicked you out before?
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