Dealer Bust pays 2:1
Quote: WillieLeeHey guys, I always enjoy taking a spin through these forums for some education but I have a question. I was recently wandering through the local casino and they had two tables with a "Dealer Bust pays 2:1" rule. It's not a side bet but it pays off of your normal wager. I was just wondering what effect this has on any house edge or changes that should be made to basic strategy if any. Thanks for any response!
Well hot damn! If its a good penetration and/or good rules I will need a name so I can get my plane ticket tonight... I am not the man to run simulations but if that's an already good game then that's one hell of a rule they got there. Hopefully one of our sim men will be here shortly to run the numbers... My mouth is watering with anticipation ! I already know the dealer bust 21 side bet (known as db21) but if you are sure its integrated into the hand itself with no side bet necessary that seems pretty lucrative to me (once again as long was they didn't screw over everything else like bj payout and splitting / doubling)
Quote: avenged43Well hot damn! If its a good penetration and/or good rules I will need a name so I can get my plane ticket tonight... I am not the man to run simulations but if that's an already good game then that's one hell of a rule they got there. Hopefully one of our sim men will be here shortly to run the numbers... My mouth is watering with anticipation ! I already know the dealer bust 21 side bet (known as db21) but if you are sure its integrated into the hand itself with no side bet necessary that seems pretty lucrative to me (once again as long was they didn't screw over everything else like bj payout and splitting / doubling)
It seemed rather odd but I didn't really think about it until I was on the way home. I haven't played there in years but I know the penetration is pretty bad, it's a no hole card game but the dealer stands on 17. They don't post anything besides what's on the felt so I'm not sure what they are allowing as far as doubling and splits.
As I said, I was wandering so I wasn't really expecting anything of interest and just got curious on that specific rule. The casino seems to take a stance of passive countermeasures with the low penetration (It looked like you'd be lucky to get 60%) and a smaller range between min/max bets. The place is mostly for slots (the best video poker is 94.9%) and roulette. Boy do people here love roulette.
Quote: WillieLeeHey guys, I always enjoy taking a spin through these forums for some education but I have a question. I was recently wandering through the local casino and they had two tables with a "Dealer Bust pays 2:1" rule. It's not a side bet but it pays off of your normal wager. I was just wondering what effect this has on any house edge or changes that should be made to basic strategy if any. Thanks for any response!
Are you sure it wasn't this game?
This is not a side bet. It's part of the normal game and payout.
ZCore13
Quote: sabreYou did not observe a standard blackjack game with an added bonus of dealer busts paying 2:1. So analyzing the effect of such a rule is pointless.
Well aren't you a pleasant little fella? Have you considered taking up a hobby or maybe going for a walk to brighten your day?
What I did observe is a rule, at no cost to the player, of the dealer paying two to one on dealer busts. But I did get the math elsewhere so I will leave you to lord over these forums with your sunny disposition.
Quote: WillieLeeWell aren't you a pleasant little fella? Have you considered taking up a hobby or maybe going for a walk to brighten your day?
What I did observe is a rule, at no cost to the player, of the dealer paying two to one on dealer busts. But I did get the math elsewhere so I will leave you to lord over these forums with your sunny disposition.
Although I doubt there's no tradeoff for the 2-1 bust (hands push on a 17 or 22, blackjacks pay 6-5), you should be playing this game every waking moment if it is true.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Although I doubt there's no tradeoff for the 2-1 bust (hands push on a 17 or 22, blackjacks pay 6-5), you should be playing this game every waking moment if it is true.
ZCore13
The regular game is nothing to get excited about so that's why I wasn't really paying attention. The normal game is ENHC,6 decks (terrible penetration) S17, No DAS, Double on any two, Aces get one card on splits, No surrender. Blackjack is 3:2. There aren't any additional rules beyond what's expected.. I only know enough about blackjack to be a danger to myself and usually just get curious about the numbers if I see certain games. But this rule seemed to stick out by not being a side bet.
every rule up there is good except no das and if penetration were at least ~65-70% I would say that I would trade no das for the bust pays 2:1 honestly.Quote: WillieLeeThe regular game is nothing to get excited about so that's why I wasn't really paying attention. The normal game is ENHC,6 decks (terrible penetration) S17, No DAS, Double on any two, Aces get one card on splits, No surrender. Blackjack is 3:2. There aren't any additional rules beyond what's expected.. I only know enough about blackjack to be a danger to myself and usually just get curious about the numbers if I see certain games. But this rule seemed to stick out by not being a side bet.
Quote: IbeatyouracesIf you're game is true, whatever you do, DO NOT POST THE NAME OF THE CASINO ON HERE!! I cannot emphasize that enough. There are members here who'll contact them and have the game corrected.
I agree, so in that case op may pm me the name of the casino and I will verify the conditions.
Quote: WillieLeeI went back and figured it out. They're essentially lying as the payouts are 1:1, so when a dealer busts you get, uh, the normal win. Yet they represent it as if the payout is 2:1. I think they're using repurposed Dealer Bust 21 side bet tables. as they have the "Dealer Bust 21" symbol in the corners but none of the rest of the side bet circles or rules. I see this on the Game King machines they have as well. They call a 1:1 payout 2:1. I guess in their minds a winning bet is double your money! This makes much more sense as a 2:1 payout seemed like madness.
The kicker is that they in response to criticism they have launched a campaign to explain the odds to patrons yet they don't follow their own odds.
This sounds like blatent false advertising. When the casino opened near me, many craps PB's tried to rip players off. If a hard 6 pays 7-1, they would only pay it out 7-1 then TAKE your WINNING bet. Or they would "keep you up" and pay you out 6-1, claiming the 7th was your bet they're keeping up.
I asked them... Okay, then when something pays 1-1, why do I get 1 chip for every 1 chip I bet? Wouldn't you just give me my money back and say "that's your 1?!?!" It was numerous craps PB's, which are absurdly trained, and this is one of the simplest parts of the game. It absolutely had to of been a complete scam. Luckily when I called them on it and explained how ALL of their other games also pay out they "made a call upstairs" then paid me out correctly, which followed with a lot of other unhappy players whom realized they had been ripped off.
Honestly, the OP should call gaming. That's false advertising if they have a sign that says "dealer bust pays 2:1" but they pay it 1:1 and it's not a side bet.
Quote: RomesThis sounds like blatent false advertising. When the casino opened near me, many craps PB's tried to rip players off. If a hard 6 pays 7-1, they would only pay it out 7-1 then TAKE your WINNING bet. Or they would "keep you up" and pay you out 6-1, claiming the 7th was your bet they're keeping up.
I asked them... Okay, then when something pays 1-1, why do I get 1 chip for every 1 chip I bet? Wouldn't you just give me my money back and say "that's your 1?!?!" It was numerous craps PB's, which are absurdly trained, and this is one of the simplest parts of the game. It absolutely had to of been a complete scam. Luckily when I called them on it and explained how ALL of their other games also pay out they "made a call upstairs" then paid me out correctly, which followed with a lot of other unhappy players whom realized they had been ripped off.
Honestly, the OP should call gaming. That's false advertising if they have a sign that says "dealer bust pays 2:1" but they pay it 1:1 and it's not a side bet.
I edited my post a bit because I'm pretty sure their response would be along the lines of the 2:1 representing 2 for 1 and not 2 to 1 odds. I sent them an email about it but I'm expecting the "for" and "to" response. Still no idea why they would use redesigned Dealer Bust 21 tables.
Quote: WillieLeeI edited my post a bit because I'm pretty sure their response would be along the lines of the 2:1 representing 2 for 1 and not 2 to 1 odds. I sent them an email about it but I'm expecting the "for" and "to" response. Still no idea why they would use redesigned Dealer Bust 21 tables.
2 for 1 is a ridiculous thing to advertise and try and pull a fast one on customers. If this is what they are doing, they should be ashamed of themselves.
ZCore13
Quote: AvincowI'm still confused. Are you saying that if the dealer busts, you will get paid 1 to 1? Isn't that what normally happens lol. Or is it that you will be paid 1 to 1 in addition to your hand win? What about if the dealer and the player bust? Does it pay 1 to 1? If you get a blackjack and then the dealer busts, does your blackjack get paid 1:1, 6:5, 3:2, 11:5, or 5:2?
He's saying that their advertising says you get paid 2:1 for dealer busts... but they're using some 'terminology' to say you get paid "2 FOR 1" which is essentially the same thing as 1 to 1. I.E. They're trying to make it look like it's 2 to 1, but only paying 1 to 1 by saying "Oh sorry, we meant 2 FOR 1" which is a 1 to 1 payout.
