avenged43
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July 26th, 2015 at 9:14:13 PM permalink
Quote: WillieLee

The regular game is nothing to get excited about so that's why I wasn't really paying attention. The normal game is ENHC,6 decks (terrible penetration) S17, No DAS, Double on any two, Aces get one card on splits, No surrender. Blackjack is 3:2. There aren't any additional rules beyond what's expected.. I only know enough about blackjack to be a danger to myself and usually just get curious about the numbers if I see certain games. But this rule seemed to stick out by not being a side bet.

every rule up there is good except no das and if penetration were at least ~65-70% I would say that I would trade no das for the bust pays 2:1 honestly.
Avincow
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July 26th, 2015 at 10:11:11 PM permalink
Is this outside the U.S. I'm assuming?
Ibeatyouraces
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July 27th, 2015 at 5:52:58 AM permalink
If you're game is true, whatever you do, DO NOT POST THE NAME OF THE CASINO ON HERE!! I cannot emphasize that enough. There are members here who'll contact them and have the game corrected.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
Avincow
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July 27th, 2015 at 8:37:43 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

If you're game is true, whatever you do, DO NOT POST THE NAME OF THE CASINO ON HERE!! I cannot emphasize that enough. There are members here who'll contact them and have the game corrected.



I agree, so in that case op may pm me the name of the casino and I will verify the conditions.
WillieLee
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July 27th, 2015 at 12:08:10 PM permalink
I went back and figured it out. They're playing around with the concept of "to" and "for" in regards to the odds. They are repurposed Dealer Bust 21 tables which is what threw me off and they mix and match the language so it's two for one with your bet being counted in the return. Word games, always with the word games.
Romes
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July 27th, 2015 at 12:33:21 PM permalink
Quote: WillieLee

I went back and figured it out. They're essentially lying as the payouts are 1:1, so when a dealer busts you get, uh, the normal win. Yet they represent it as if the payout is 2:1. I think they're using repurposed Dealer Bust 21 side bet tables. as they have the "Dealer Bust 21" symbol in the corners but none of the rest of the side bet circles or rules. I see this on the Game King machines they have as well. They call a 1:1 payout 2:1. I guess in their minds a winning bet is double your money! This makes much more sense as a 2:1 payout seemed like madness.

The kicker is that they in response to criticism they have launched a campaign to explain the odds to patrons yet they don't follow their own odds.


This sounds like blatent false advertising. When the casino opened near me, many craps PB's tried to rip players off. If a hard 6 pays 7-1, they would only pay it out 7-1 then TAKE your WINNING bet. Or they would "keep you up" and pay you out 6-1, claiming the 7th was your bet they're keeping up.

I asked them... Okay, then when something pays 1-1, why do I get 1 chip for every 1 chip I bet? Wouldn't you just give me my money back and say "that's your 1?!?!" It was numerous craps PB's, which are absurdly trained, and this is one of the simplest parts of the game. It absolutely had to of been a complete scam. Luckily when I called them on it and explained how ALL of their other games also pay out they "made a call upstairs" then paid me out correctly, which followed with a lot of other unhappy players whom realized they had been ripped off.


Honestly, the OP should call gaming. That's false advertising if they have a sign that says "dealer bust pays 2:1" but they pay it 1:1 and it's not a side bet.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
WillieLee
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July 27th, 2015 at 12:38:52 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

This sounds like blatent false advertising. When the casino opened near me, many craps PB's tried to rip players off. If a hard 6 pays 7-1, they would only pay it out 7-1 then TAKE your WINNING bet. Or they would "keep you up" and pay you out 6-1, claiming the 7th was your bet they're keeping up.

I asked them... Okay, then when something pays 1-1, why do I get 1 chip for every 1 chip I bet? Wouldn't you just give me my money back and say "that's your 1?!?!" It was numerous craps PB's, which are absurdly trained, and this is one of the simplest parts of the game. It absolutely had to of been a complete scam. Luckily when I called them on it and explained how ALL of their other games also pay out they "made a call upstairs" then paid me out correctly, which followed with a lot of other unhappy players whom realized they had been ripped off.


Honestly, the OP should call gaming. That's false advertising if they have a sign that says "dealer bust pays 2:1" but they pay it 1:1 and it's not a side bet.



I edited my post a bit because I'm pretty sure their response would be along the lines of the 2:1 representing 2 for 1 and not 2 to 1 odds. I sent them an email about it but I'm expecting the "for" and "to" response. Still no idea why they would use redesigned Dealer Bust 21 tables.
Zcore13
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July 27th, 2015 at 1:39:08 PM permalink
Quote: WillieLee

I edited my post a bit because I'm pretty sure their response would be along the lines of the 2:1 representing 2 for 1 and not 2 to 1 odds. I sent them an email about it but I'm expecting the "for" and "to" response. Still no idea why they would use redesigned Dealer Bust 21 tables.



2 for 1 is a ridiculous thing to advertise and try and pull a fast one on customers. If this is what they are doing, they should be ashamed of themselves.


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Avincow
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July 27th, 2015 at 4:04:57 PM permalink
I'm still confused. Are you saying that if the dealer busts, you will get paid 1 to 1? Isn't that what normally happens lol. Or is it that you will be paid 1 to 1 in addition to your hand win? What about if the dealer and the player bust? Does it pay 1 to 1? If you get a blackjack and then the dealer busts, does your blackjack get paid 1:1, 6:5, 3:2, 11:5, or 5:2?
Romes
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July 28th, 2015 at 8:14:21 AM permalink
Quote: Avincow

I'm still confused. Are you saying that if the dealer busts, you will get paid 1 to 1? Isn't that what normally happens lol. Or is it that you will be paid 1 to 1 in addition to your hand win? What about if the dealer and the player bust? Does it pay 1 to 1? If you get a blackjack and then the dealer busts, does your blackjack get paid 1:1, 6:5, 3:2, 11:5, or 5:2?


He's saying that their advertising says you get paid 2:1 for dealer busts... but they're using some 'terminology' to say you get paid "2 FOR 1" which is essentially the same thing as 1 to 1. I.E. They're trying to make it look like it's 2 to 1, but only paying 1 to 1 by saying "Oh sorry, we meant 2 FOR 1" which is a 1 to 1 payout.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.

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