WillieLee
WillieLee
Joined: Jul 25, 2015
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 7
July 25th, 2015 at 4:22:29 PM permalink
Hey guys, I always enjoy taking a spin through these forums for some education but I have a question. I was recently wandering through the local casino and they had two tables with a "Dealer Bust pays 2:1" rule. It's not a side bet but it pays off of your normal wager. I was just wondering what effect this has on any house edge or changes that should be made to basic strategy if any. Thanks for any response!
avenged43
avenged43
Joined: Oct 27, 2014
  • Threads: 14
  • Posts: 86
July 25th, 2015 at 4:38:44 PM permalink
Quote: WillieLee

Hey guys, I always enjoy taking a spin through these forums for some education but I have a question. I was recently wandering through the local casino and they had two tables with a "Dealer Bust pays 2:1" rule. It's not a side bet but it pays off of your normal wager. I was just wondering what effect this has on any house edge or changes that should be made to basic strategy if any. Thanks for any response!



Well hot damn! If its a good penetration and/or good rules I will need a name so I can get my plane ticket tonight... I am not the man to run simulations but if that's an already good game then that's one hell of a rule they got there. Hopefully one of our sim men will be here shortly to run the numbers... My mouth is watering with anticipation ! I already know the dealer bust 21 side bet (known as db21) but if you are sure its integrated into the hand itself with no side bet necessary that seems pretty lucrative to me (once again as long was they didn't screw over everything else like bj payout and splitting / doubling)
WillieLee
WillieLee
Joined: Jul 25, 2015
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 7
July 25th, 2015 at 5:16:42 PM permalink
Quote: avenged43

Well hot damn! If its a good penetration and/or good rules I will need a name so I can get my plane ticket tonight... I am not the man to run simulations but if that's an already good game then that's one hell of a rule they got there. Hopefully one of our sim men will be here shortly to run the numbers... My mouth is watering with anticipation ! I already know the dealer bust 21 side bet (known as db21) but if you are sure its integrated into the hand itself with no side bet necessary that seems pretty lucrative to me (once again as long was they didn't screw over everything else like bj payout and splitting / doubling)



It seemed rather odd but I didn't really think about it until I was on the way home. I haven't played there in years but I know the penetration is pretty bad, it's a no hole card game but the dealer stands on 17. They don't post anything besides what's on the felt so I'm not sure what they are allowing as far as doubling and splits.

As I said, I was wandering so I wasn't really expecting anything of interest and just got curious on that specific rule. The casino seems to take a stance of passive countermeasures with the low penetration (It looked like you'd be lucky to get 60%) and a smaller range between min/max bets. The place is mostly for slots (the best video poker is 94.9%) and roulette. Boy do people here love roulette.
Zcore13
Zcore13
Joined: Nov 30, 2009
  • Threads: 39
  • Posts: 3649
July 25th, 2015 at 6:26:37 PM permalink
Quote: WillieLee

Hey guys, I always enjoy taking a spin through these forums for some education but I have a question. I was recently wandering through the local casino and they had two tables with a "Dealer Bust pays 2:1" rule. It's not a side bet but it pays off of your normal wager. I was just wondering what effect this has on any house edge or changes that should be made to basic strategy if any. Thanks for any response!



Are you sure it wasn't this game?

This is not a side bet. It's part of the normal game and payout.


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
WillieLee
WillieLee
Joined: Jul 25, 2015
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 7
July 25th, 2015 at 7:23:02 PM permalink
It was just a straight two to one payout on dealer busts with no extra conditions explained or noticed. I guess I really should go back to check it out. But I was mostly just curious on the effects to the game. I know stating part of an observation is rather annoying! I was just killing time before an appointment so I didn't take the time to find out the full story.
sabre
sabre
Joined: Aug 16, 2010
  • Threads: 2
  • Posts: 1078
July 25th, 2015 at 8:05:24 PM permalink
You did not observe a standard blackjack game with an added bonus of dealer busts paying 2:1. So analyzing the effect of such a rule is pointless.
WillieLee
WillieLee
Joined: Jul 25, 2015
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 7
July 26th, 2015 at 2:28:34 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

You did not observe a standard blackjack game with an added bonus of dealer busts paying 2:1. So analyzing the effect of such a rule is pointless.



Well aren't you a pleasant little fella? Have you considered taking up a hobby or maybe going for a walk to brighten your day?

What I did observe is a rule, at no cost to the player, of the dealer paying two to one on dealer busts. But I did get the math elsewhere so I will leave you to lord over these forums with your sunny disposition.
Zcore13
Zcore13
Joined: Nov 30, 2009
  • Threads: 39
  • Posts: 3649
July 26th, 2015 at 2:36:01 PM permalink
Quote: WillieLee

Well aren't you a pleasant little fella? Have you considered taking up a hobby or maybe going for a walk to brighten your day?

What I did observe is a rule, at no cost to the player, of the dealer paying two to one on dealer busts. But I did get the math elsewhere so I will leave you to lord over these forums with your sunny disposition.



Although I doubt there's no tradeoff for the 2-1 bust (hands push on a 17 or 22, blackjacks pay 6-5), you should be playing this game every waking moment if it is true.


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Paradigm
Paradigm
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
  • Threads: 42
  • Posts: 2225
July 26th, 2015 at 3:20:48 PM permalink
Agree Z, we a missing some details, perhaps the OP can ask for full game details when they return.
WillieLee
WillieLee
Joined: Jul 25, 2015
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 7
July 26th, 2015 at 4:29:01 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Although I doubt there's no tradeoff for the 2-1 bust (hands push on a 17 or 22, blackjacks pay 6-5), you should be playing this game every waking moment if it is true.


ZCore13



The regular game is nothing to get excited about so that's why I wasn't really paying attention. The normal game is ENHC,6 decks (terrible penetration) S17, No DAS, Double on any two, Aces get one card on splits, No surrender. Blackjack is 3:2. There aren't any additional rules beyond what's expected.. I only know enough about blackjack to be a danger to myself and usually just get curious about the numbers if I see certain games. But this rule seemed to stick out by not being a side bet.

  • Jump to: