Lucky Ladies

At my Casino and alot of them the 1000 to 1 payout only pays $10,000, where as the Max Bet on the side is $25. I should put the side bet on when I hit around TC +5 for Hi low in which should suit Hi OPT 2. IS this a bad bet because of the limit on the payout ? Should I avoid or should I wait till the TC is 8 or 9 + ?

I would recommend a different count for the ladies. Using Hi Lo your second option is way better than your first. Personally, I fee[ that detailed open discussions about some blackjack side bets are better left alone.

The sidebet is described here ( https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/lucky-ladies/ ). It seems obvious that the bet is countable since you want there to be a surplus of Qh and Blackjacks as well as 20s (usually from two picture cards). I'm guessing you can overcome the House Edge on occasions - which is why they set it so high - but if you want a proper count method then you'll have to look at EoRs (effect of removal) etc. Alternatively, since it's only based on a few cards, it's probably easier to develop a spreadsheet with a variable deck and play around.

It's an interesting conundrum whether the forum should give AP advice or keep quiet. Personally I think it's fair if someone wants to learn the methods to analyse an opportunity - nowadays I suspect most game designers understand the principles - certainly a few casinos do.

Technically you shouldn't bet over $10 if they limit it to $10k, but there may be occasions when the HE is +ve, when you're willing to sacrifice the top prize for more money on the lower ones and so bet more.

http://apheat.net/2012/08/08/card-counting-the-lucky-ladies-blackjack-side-bet/

http://apheat.net/2012/10/22/lucky-ladies-and-the-insurance-count/

http://apheat.net/2013/11/01/lucky-ladies-10-years-later/

Did somebody say spreadsheet?

Quote: miplet

Did somebody say spreadsheet?

you did.

Quote: charliepatrick

It's an interesting conundrum whether the forum should give AP advice or keep quiet.

to keep quiet about 'how' is locking the barn door after the horse has left the barn, for the most part ... something new might be an exception.

to name 'a good place to go' because they are asleep at the wheel there, though, is stupid

There's so much information out there (that was even posted by teliot) that I don't see a reason to write out exactly how to approach this side bet. After all, we don't want it dying anytime soon ;).