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Venthus
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May 2nd, 2018 at 10:48:24 PM permalink
I'm going to be headed off on the NCL Dawn shortly; anything in particular people would like an update on?
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November 13th, 2018 at 9:54:52 AM permalink
I've heard of many accusations of major cruise-line casinos cheat in table games by taking out cards. Has anybody been able to find any evidence of this? I am really interested in seeing if anybody has any feedback regarding this.
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November 13th, 2018 at 11:44:05 AM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

I've heard of many accusations of major cruise-line casinos cheat in table games by taking out cards. Has anybody been able to find any evidence of this? I am really interested in seeing if anybody has any feedback regarding this.



I would be very surprised if a major cruise line would authorize this but it wouldn't surprise me if an individual at the casino did it.
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November 13th, 2018 at 12:31:22 PM permalink
Aren't most cruise casinos run by a 3rd party? The casino company could gaff the games as policy, and the cruise line wouldn't know a thing about it. However, given the horrible payouts and rules the cruise ship casino offers, they really have no need to cheat. Doesn't mean they don't anyway.

On my recent cruise on the Carnival Elation, all their single-line VP was 6/5 and 10 coins per play for the 800-1 royal payout! :P
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November 13th, 2018 at 12:37:21 PM permalink
My understanding is that Carnival Corporation operates the casinos for all Carnival, Princess, Holland America, Cunard,P&O, Seabourne and a few other cruise lines. They have over 100 ships now.
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November 13th, 2018 at 1:13:14 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

My understanding is that Carnival Corporation operates the casinos for all Carnival, Princess, Holland America, Cunard,P&O, Seabourne and a few other cruise lines. They have over 100 ships now.



Yeah, carnival owns 7 cruise lines. Those you mentioned and Costa, I think. (For sure Carnival, Princess, HA, Costa, for sure 7 of them, not sure about the other 3)

When I was on Carnival (once) and Holland (3x), their casino personnel were contractors via a third party. Norwegian (NCL) casino people are company employees, and the casinos are overseen by a marketing subdivision called Casinos At Sea.

If you sign up for Casinos At Sea ahead of time, you can usually buy chits for half-price chips and slot dollars so you probably want to look at their website. I think you have to have already booked your cruise to get the promotion.

I would like an accurate count of the table games by type game on the Dawn very much, if you get the time to take inventory. VP pay tables would be very useful as well. Thanks in advance.
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November 13th, 2018 at 1:58:21 PM permalink
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I would like an accurate count of the table games by type game on the Dawn very much, if you get the time to take inventory. VP pay tables would be very useful as well. Thanks in advance.

Babs, It's not a full account of their casino, but you can find some of what you're looking for in my Norwegian Dawn trip report.

IIRC, the carnival games they had were 3CP and UTH, but with a $10 min. I didn't see if their BJ (maybe 5 tables) was 3-2 or 6-5. There was also one craps table and one roulette table. And they had a decent amount of VP, including some bartop.
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November 13th, 2018 at 2:36:00 PM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

I've heard of many accusations of major cruise-line casinos cheat in table games by taking out cards. Has anybody been able to find any evidence of this? I am really interested in seeing if anybody has any feedback regarding this.



I guess you never went on the SS Palms Cruise Liner. It's a hell of a cruise. Takes you right around the border of Asia and then ends the trip at the Dead Sea.
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