Romes
Romes
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November 26th, 2014 at 6:21:59 AM permalink
Quote: kitties666

I count. I think I do well at not looking like I'm counting, but the $50 & $100 pits seem to be extra attentive to me (& in general?), especially during slow times. I just feel like if I throw down $800 cash at the table it could be a little hot (suppose I could just buy chips at the window too). One experience over a year ago at a $50 pit left me feeling like I was being straight up watched...I wasn't even counting in that particular sitting & had a pit boss & floor manager hovering on my table & politely conversating with me. Perhaps i read too deep into it, but it didn't feel natural. I had another experience at Turning Stone where they almost backed me off of a 6D/H17 game with $15 minimums & unfavorable odds...

I do realize the break-evenness of my current game. I've been winning predictably (I am also lucky, which is another reason I play). I'm saving the larger spreads fo Vegas & San Diego. I like that DD game at Barona.


Of course the higher limit pits are 'generally' more watched, but that doesn't mean you're always being watched. Counters can often be paranoid that every little thing in a pit is about them (which sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn't). So what if you get watched/the boot? Are you playing in a city where you have numerous shops, or is this a "home" casino and you don't have a lot of other options? If you do have a lot of options, who cares... Don't treat a back off as something you fear, it for the most part lets you know you were doing something right. They should fear you, not the other way around. They can't do anything to you other than ask you to leave, and if they do, video it with your phone and sue them for tons. Half the reason the pit probably sweats you is because I bet you look nervous as hell.

You must not count too often. I physically can't sit at a blackjack table and not count. It's just too easy and second nature, the same as sitting at the table and breathing. The floor and pit coming over to talk to you is a completely normal thing. They want to glad hand the high rollers, and they want to try to throw counters off their game. You should be able to have a conversation, smile at them, and count right in front of them. If you can't, then you need more practice / shouldn't be counting in a high limit room and you're putting your friends money at risk.
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vendman1
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November 26th, 2014 at 6:28:04 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Of course the higher limit pits are 'generally' more watched, but that doesn't mean you're always being watched. Counters can often be paranoid that every little thing in a pit is about them (which sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn't). So what if you get watched/the boot? Are you playing in a city where you have numerous shops, or is this a "home" casino and you don't have a lot of other options? If you do have a lot of options, who cares... Don't treat a back off as something you fear, it for the most part lets you know you were doing something right. They should fear you, not the other way around. They can't do anything to you other than ask you to leave, and if they do, video it with your phone and sue them for tons. Half the reason the pit probably sweats you is because I bet you look nervous as hell.

You must not count too often. I physically can't sit at a blackjack table and not count. It's just too easy and second nature, the same as sitting at the table and breathing. The floor and pit coming over to talk to you is a completely normal thing. They want to glad hand the high rollers, and they want to try to throw counters off their game. You should be able to have a conversation, smile at them, and count right in front of them. If you can't, then you need more practice / shouldn't be counting in a high limit room and you're putting your friends money at risk.



This is what I was getting at in my previous post. Of course the OP, or anybody, gets more attention from the pit at a $100 table than at a $15 or $25 table. That's just good casino management. So just because they are "watching" you doesn't mean they are on to you as a counter they are just doing their jobs. Higher limit players get more "attention" good and bad than lower limit players. Also agree that a back off isn't that big a deal it's happened to just about everyone who counts sooner or later. So relax and play your game.

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