Counting Continuous Shuffler and Ace tracking

There is a One2Six continuous shuffler available with 4 decks of cards. Apparently there are 16 cards in the delivery channel of the machine, uncontaminated by the shuffler, susceptible to counting. I have simulated counting these cards, but the results are not exciting. I used Stanford Wong’s BCA software for this.

A friend of mine has developed a way to play that bets from $10 to the max of $500 and wins $225 per hour. He plays alone 1 box only, using the multiplayer facility with a friend to split the top (small bet) but not the large bet behind when appropriate. This adds a .22% to his expectation. He also uses errors of the dealers by keeping them distracted with small talk.

He is up $225,000 for the year. He won’t tell me what he does, he is a former poker advantage player.

I can only imagine there is a larger delay in the shuffling machine allowing from .75 to 1.5 decks to not be contaminated and he counts that, adjusting by indexes that reduce the running count by the opposite of the count divided by the remaining decks (or indexes), similar to shuffle tracking.

Another way would be to track the aces sequentially.

Anybody have any experience with this?

JJ

Quote: jjw

There is a One2Six continuous shuffler available with 4 decks of cards. Apparently there are 16 cards in the delivery channel of the machine, uncontaminated by the shuffler, susceptible to counting. I have simulated counting these cards, but the results are not exciting. I used Stanford Wong’s BCA software for this.

A friend of mine has developed a way to play that bets from $10 to the max of $500 and wins $225 per hour. He plays alone 1 box only, using the multiplayer facility with a friend to split the top (small bet) but not the large bet behind when appropriate. This adds a .22% to his expectation. He also uses errors of the dealers by keeping them distracted with small talk.

He is up $225,000 for the year. He won’t tell me what he does, he is a former poker advantage player.

I can only imagine there is a larger delay in the shuffling machine allowing from .75 to 1.5 decks to not be contaminated and he counts that, adjusting by indexes that reduce the running count by the opposite of the count divided by the remaining decks (or indexes), similar to shuffle tracking.

Another way would be to track the aces sequentially.

Anybody have any experience with this?

JJ

He's played 1000 hours, heads up, so far this year. His win average is $225 an hour for a year to date total of $225,000 and the casino just keeps on dealing. What kind of heat has he experienced?

I'm counting csm's at the moment. I see an edge of 1% roughly 10 % of hands I play. I wong out at anything under a 0 percent edge which is roughly 55 percent of all hands.

The trick is to play a csm game with a very very low house edge. Most likely your friend uses a windowed count. If your playing heads up, you add the count of three rounds, on the 4th round you drop the first rounds count and add the 4th. rinse and repeat.

It's not a big edge but it's there and its profitable. No heat so far spread 1-40.

Dealer mistakes are great +ev bumps. Not so great when they corrected by another player though.

Edit: Forgot to mention ace tracking. You're better off tracking small clumps 3-5 cards. Each property will have a different update to their machines firmware so don't think all csms will get you the same results.

That $225 / hour is not his EV if all he's doing is card counting a CSM game.

$225 / hour is the kind of EV you get with like a 25-1000 min to max shoe game with 1 deck cut off.

Quote: jjw

There is a One2Six continuous shuffler available with 4 decks of cards. Apparently there are 16 cards in the delivery channel of the machine, uncontaminated by the shuffler, susceptible to counting. I have simulated counting these cards, but the results are not exciting. I used Stanford Wong’s BCA software for this.

A friend of mine has developed a way to play that bets from $10 to the max of $500 and wins $225 per hour. He plays alone 1 box only, using the multiplayer facility with a friend to split the top (small bet) but not the large bet behind when appropriate. This adds a .22% to his expectation. He also uses errors of the dealers by keeping them distracted with small talk.

He is up $225,000 for the year. He won’t tell me what he does, he is a former poker advantage player.

I can only imagine there is a larger delay in the shuffling machine allowing from .75 to 1.5 decks to not be contaminated and he counts that, adjusting by indexes that reduce the running count by the opposite of the count divided by the remaining decks (or indexes), similar to shuffle tracking.

Another way would be to track the aces sequentially.

Anybody have any experience with this?

JJ

Yeah, I do the exact same things on CSMs. Also, for baccarat where I have made multi-multi millions. PM the Wizard for details...he's the one who taught me the complicated (and unbeatable) betting system that I use.