Gandler
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April 7th, 2014 at 9:36:41 AM permalink
If somebody played a single hand of blackjack with their whole bankroll hence not having the chips to double, split, or buy insurance. How much would this increase the HE on one hand? Would it double the HE or not quite that much of an increase? I am not sure how that would be calculated since no HE calculator I have seen that has those options?
rdw4potus
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April 7th, 2014 at 9:42:00 AM permalink
Here's a list of rule variations from WoO.

Looks like no splits adds 0.57% and not doubling adds 1.48%
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Gandler
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April 7th, 2014 at 9:45:27 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Here's a list of rule variations from WoO.

Looks like no splits adds 0.57% and not doubling adds 1.48%


Awesome thank you! I must have missed that page!

So I guess making BJ is then probably the worst game to make a single bankroll sized bet. So just to make sure I am reading right it adds .57 plus1.48 so plus over 2 altogether?
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April 7th, 2014 at 9:51:44 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Quote: rdw4potus

Here's a list of rule variations from WoO.

Looks like no splits adds 0.57% and not doubling adds 1.48%


Awesome thank you! I must have missed that page!

So I guess making BJ is then probably the worst game to make a single bankroll sized bet. So just to make sure I am reading right it adds .57 plus1.48 so plus over 2 altogether?



It's not the worst game to do it with, but you lose a lot of value by doing it.
rdw4potus
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April 7th, 2014 at 10:28:16 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler


So I guess making BJ is then probably the worst game to make a single bankroll sized bet. So just to make sure I am reading right it adds .57 plus1.48 so plus over 2 altogether?



I think that longer list of rules was moved (and slightly buried) when the site was redesigned. There's a link from the shorter list of rule variations to the full list, and only the full list includes these two items. Took me a bit to find, and I'd have given up if I didn't know I'd seen these on the list before.

Yes, it adds .57 plus 1.48. So you're probably somewhere between 2.5% and 3% total on the game. So, better than American roulette and about the same as single-0 roulette. But worse than craps or baccarat.
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April 7th, 2014 at 10:50:56 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

If somebody played a single hand of blackjack with their whole bankroll hence not having the chips to double, split, or buy insurance. How much would this increase the HE on one hand? Would it double the HE or not quite that much of an increase? I am not sure how that would be calculated since no HE calculator I have seen that has those options?




Check out this thread:

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AceTwo
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April 7th, 2014 at 11:26:12 AM permalink
This info is usefull also for practical reasons, meaning that in BJ you should never bet the last money on you because you are playing with a huge disavantage.
You should have enough money to at least for 1 double or 1 split.
Of course (assuming Split to 4 hands), in theory you might need upto another 7 times your initial bet (split 4 times and double).
Having money to cover 2 bets covers almost all probabily and the reduction on EV for not covering beyonf that is minimal.
So as a practical guide (for non-counters) , say you bet a standard amount of $25, leave at least $50 which you will never bet as initial bet.
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April 7th, 2014 at 12:55:15 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Quote: rdw4potus

Here's a list of rule variations from WoO.

Looks like no splits adds 0.57% and not doubling adds 1.48%


Awesome thank you! I must have missed that page!

So I guess making BJ is then probably the worst game to make a single bankroll sized bet. So just to make sure I am reading right it adds .57 plus1.48 so plus over 2 altogether?



This information is incorrect, based on your scenario. It is unlikely you are going to split or double any particular hand. That is the aggregate disadvantage of never splitting or doubling.

In your fact pattern, you have bet all your money, and are only playing one hand to bust or double your money. Chances are, the situation to double or split does not apply. But suppose you get a hand you would normally double. It was advantageous for you to have bet all your money rather than only half. Now you are not restricted to only taking one card. To say you are in a disadvantageous situation because you did not hold back half of your money is faulty logic. In a split situation, you would increase the house edge by not being able to split.

I don't know how to analyze this scenario to arrive at a solid conclusion. Perhaps you thought this was a good example, when it is not, and you really just wanted to know the aggregate effect as a matter of strategy, which has been stated.
Gandler
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April 8th, 2014 at 9:01:38 AM permalink
Quote: Sonuvabish

Quote: Gandler

Quote: rdw4potus

Here's a list of rule variations from WoO.

Looks like no splits adds 0.57% and not doubling adds 1.48%


Awesome thank you! I must have missed that page!

So I guess making BJ is then probably the worst game to make a single bankroll sized bet. So just to make sure I am reading right it adds .57 plus1.48 so plus over 2 altogether?



This information is incorrect, based on your scenario. It is unlikely you are going to split or double any particular hand. That is the aggregate disadvantage of never splitting or doubling.

In your fact pattern, you have bet all your money, and are only playing one hand to bust or double your money. Chances are, the situation to double or split does not apply. But suppose you get a hand you would normally double. It was advantageous for you to have bet all your money rather than only half. Now you are not restricted to only taking one card. To say you are in a disadvantageous situation because you did not hold back half of your money is faulty logic. In a split situation, you would increase the house edge by not being able to split.

I don't know how to analyze this scenario to arrive at a solid conclusion. Perhaps you thought this was a good example, when it is not, and you really just wanted to know the aggregate effect as a matter of strategy, which has been stated.



No, that is actually the very scenario I was interested in. I have been trying to determine the best game to play one single hand with your entire bankroll for the night with the goal of doubling or nothing. And I was curious what kind of HE effect not doubling or splitting or insurance would have on a single play?
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April 8th, 2014 at 9:12:17 AM permalink
The best game for an all-in bet is probably a banker bet in Baccarat, with a HE of just over 1%. In craps, you would have to place or lay odds in order to get the advertised edge, and Roulette (even single-wheel!) is horrendous.

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