Early surrender?
Quote:Players can surrender after the first two cards are dealt to them. If they choose to surrender, half of
their wager will be forfeited. The player must indicate their desire to surrender before the player-
dealer's down card is exposed. Their play for the hand will then cease.
Is this the golden early surrender?
Quote: IbeatyouracesEarly surrender is being able to before the dealer peeks underneath tens and aces. Late surrender is being able to only after the dealer peeks and determines that he/she does not have a blackjack.
Yes... I know.
The player advantage isn't huge (about 0.20%), but imagine playing heads-up, for table max ($1K), at 200 to 350 rounds per hour, for a month straight. Yeah, I may have made a killing. Plus positive variance always helps.
And when I did play at a table with other players, amazingly, I didn't hear a single complaint about "messing up the flow of the cards". A few curiously questions, though. I always answered with "I hate money".
Quote: chaunceyb3I remember when the Sands Casino Bethlehem first started offering table games in July 2010. There were many, many dealers and floor supervisors who allowed surrender before the hole card was checked (one player even pointed out that the state allows *late* surrender, to which the dealer said "this is how we were trained", and the supervisor came over and agreed with the dealer).
The player advantage isn't huge (about 0.20%), but imagine playing heads-up, for table max ($1K), at 200 to 350 rounds per hour, for a month straight. Yeah, I may have made a killing. Plus positive variance always helps.
And when I did play at a table with other players, amazingly, I didn't hear a single complaint about "messing up the flow of the cards". A few curiously questions, though. I always answered with "I hate money".
If by "golden" you mean the best early surrender then it would be the one described by Ibeatyouraces. I played it in the early days of Atlantic City on a four deck game.
It sounds like you may be talking about something else. Are you referring to ENHC by any chance?
If you do find early surrender as described by Ibeatyouraces let me know - just me nobody else. :-)
Quote: 1BBAre you referring to ENHC by any chance?
ENHC games often have early surrender versus 10 only. Late surrender is just not possible. I once found an ENHC game with multiple-card ES vs 10 and multiple-card ES 16 vs Ace. This game had double down rescue vs 10 and split of aces rescue vs 10 as well. Player had about 0.22% edge off the top. The cumulative effect of all these good rules is close to those of good old full ES.
Quote: RorryDescription is as follows in a 6D game.
Quote:Players can surrender after the first two cards are dealt to them. If they choose to surrender, half of
their wager will be forfeited. The player must indicate their desire to surrender before the player-
dealer's down card is exposed. Their play for the hand will then cease.
Is this the golden early surrender?
The wording seems to mean Early Surrender
But it might be just bad description of the rule and they mean before down card is exposed but after checking for BJ.
Early Surrender is usually found outside US (Europe etc) with no hole card games and with ES10 rule (ie no surrender against Ace).
Full Early Surrender is a rare animal. I have only seen it in 2-3 casinos outside the US.
One such casino was in Egypt a long time ago.
Quote: RorryIt seemed like ES to me as-well. I'll let you guys know when I go in person to check it out this next week.
post which casino it is, people in here may already know the answer. If not mission would probably call.
Quote: GWAEpost which casino it is, people in here may already know the answer. If not mission would probably call.
Sorry, not going to be doing any such thing. I highly doubt anyone here has been to this "out in the sticks" casino anyways. Should know by tomorrow though.
Where does one find a BS chart on this? Dealer peeks but you still only lose 1/2 bet on BJ.
Quote: RorryES10 it seems... Still good but not golden.
Where does one find a BS chart on this? Dealer peeks but you still only lose 1/2 bet on BJ.
The Wizard's BS calculator will do that for you. Just put in "No peek/no hole card" and Surrender allowed on a dealer 2-10.
Quote: AcesAndEightsThe Wizard's BS calculator will do that for you. Just put in "No peek/no hole card" and Surrender allowed on a dealer 2-10.
Dealer peeks though...
EDIT- Dealer peeks but you can still surrender and lose 50% of your bet even on dealer blackjack. Dealing procedure error perhaps?
Quote: RorryQuote: AcesAndEightsThe Wizard's BS calculator will do that for you. Just put in "No peek/no hole card" and Surrender allowed on a dealer 2-10.
Dealer peeks though...
EDIT- Dealer peeks but you can still surrender and lose 50% of your bet even on dealer blackjack. Dealing procedure error perhaps?
Look, if the dealer peeks and you can't surrender, then it's NOT early surrender. It's regular late surrender.
If the dealer peeks but you can still surrender against a dealer BJ with a 10 showing, then either they are purposefully offering ES10, or they are making a procedural error.
If the dealer peeks but you can still surrender against a dealer BJ with a 10 OR an Ace showing, then it is full early surrender and has a player advantage (in the absence of other house-friendly rules).
Quote: 98ClubsAgreed, post the Casino. The OP wording is ambiguous... it does not declare wether the Dealer has peeked. Thus, no answer.
I called, they said they offer Early Surrender, but when I arrived it's clearly ES10. I'm not into outing my places of play, rarely do I even mention the games I play unless I've something I don't quite fully understand. In turn I offer advice to those questions I know that others do not understand, but I do not ask where they've come across these opportunities or obscurities. I hope you can understand my reasons.
Quote: 98ClubsSure, NP. ES10 usually means ENHC. It would be rare that if Dealer takes a hole card, AND offers surrender before peeking for Blackjack when ONLY 10-J-Q-K visible.
Indeed
It does not hurt to ask for the surrender option when the dealer gets the Ace, at least the first time this happens since you did not know you cannot surrender against the Ace.
