vendman1
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July 18th, 2013 at 4:25:12 AM permalink
Quote: surrender88s

what would you call a "regular"? I'm thinking about playing two pits, 1 hour each, once a week. I think that's not too bad. Was getting some speculative looks from dealer and pit boss when I was betting two hands and coloring up last time...



To avoid being backed off...avoid attention in general. If you see the pit giving you "speculative looks"..pay them no mind. If they see you are watching them, that in and of itself is a tip off. The average ploppie is unconcerned with the pit....hell maybe even be oblivious to their function. Unless you are spreading a ton of units. Most places aren't as sensitive to counting as you think. Yes some casinos are notoriously "sweaty", but frankly at a red or green chip level you'll be fine 99% of the time. Black chips are different....never pocket them. Green and red fine. But they watch the blacks.
kewlj
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July 18th, 2013 at 8:02:42 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You have to act the polar opposite of how Ahigh acts
in a casino: you have to be nice and never criticize
the pit or the dealers. Never win enough money to
make them look at you as anything other than lucky.
Play the shortest sessions possible. Try to go on
different shifts. Look and act very normal, never try
to stand out. Don't be a wealth of information about
your game. You're just another bumbling player.
Blend it, take it easy, don't make waves. You'll be fine.



Out of 11thousand + post, this has to be one of your best EB (although I haven't read all of them....lol). I think I would have capitalized the 'short session' advice for emphasis. Playing short sessions can cover or mask so many issues.

One thing I want to add about 'ratholing'. DON'T GET CAUGHT. (And you probably won't even be aware if you are caught). Once you are even suspected of doing so, any chips that the pit can't account for will be 'assigned' or credited to you, making the whole exercise VERY counter productive. I think players tend to over rathole, especially during big wins. You don't need to do that. All you need to do is rathole your EV per session, regardless of whether you actually win or lose. And yes, never black or higher. Most places, the pit is supposed to account for those and know where they go.
Ibeatyouraces
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July 18th, 2013 at 8:29:12 AM permalink
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VPKingNJ
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July 22nd, 2013 at 11:48:06 PM permalink
Since your losing, putting a couple of chips away while you're going to buy in (again) is a great way to pad your losses. If you have my luck at the BJ tables, you will never have to pad anything. I'm on a 7+ years of not obtaining my EV.
wroberson
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July 23rd, 2013 at 1:55:13 AM permalink
I've gotten some heat in Illinois. I've had dealers skip over me and my double down and then expose the dealer's hand and playing the card I was supposed to get. This causes a lot of issues with the pit boss and the free doughnut was stale. After 7 days in a casino playing roulette, I had a dealer announce my presence from across the floor as I was walking to the table. She referred to me as Middleman because I only played the middle 12 numbers.

In Vegas back in 1993 I had a suit standing behind me watching. Then when I was walking to the airport, I was near the water park that used to be on the strip, an underground sprinkler blew and sent a jet of water 150 feet over my hand I was about 100 feet from it. I took that as a sign to cool off.

In 2008 I had a pit boss refuse to take my money because he didn't want 20's. This was at the Mirage. I complained as I felt I had an alternative future and they sent me to Biloxi for free.

As for ratholing, don't do that in Illinois, I saw a winning couple ratholing chips left and right and they were removed from the casino.

I'm like a dwarf when I'm playing. I keep track of my chips and when I get ahead I set the buy in amount to the back and use the chips I am ahead. I usually leave while I'm ahead.

I do the short sessions thing. I think the longest I sat at a table was 4 hours just trying to get ahead. I eventually did and walked out a winner.

These are all 5 to 20 year old stories as I am not a frequent gambling in Chicago. Just don't like the way the casino plays the games.
Buffering...
surrender88s
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July 27th, 2013 at 7:19:39 PM permalink
Ok, so i happened to go to "my casino" 5 times in the past 2 weekz. Two were losing sessions of -300 and -20, the other three i won about 300. I'm spreading from 15 or 25 minimums up to 75. I haven't gotten any direct heat, but as i was playing i overheard the pit boss telling my dealer to watch out for a specific player- i couldn't make out the whispers exactly, pretty sure it was me. And when i colored up a second pit boss came over to ask my dealer how much i made as i was walking away. I believe I'm doing a decent job "camoflauging".

Maybe one of the pit bosses put a note on file under my name?(i play rated). Anyone have similar experiences?
"Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1." -Warren Buffett on risk/return
EvenBob
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July 27th, 2013 at 7:38:25 PM permalink
Quote: surrender88s

I believe I'm doing a decent job "camoflauging".



Famous last words.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Ibeatyouraces
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July 27th, 2013 at 7:55:08 PM permalink
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1BB
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July 28th, 2013 at 1:19:56 AM permalink
Quote: surrender88s

Ok, so i happened to go to "my casino" 5 times in the past 2 weekz. Two were losing sessions of -300 and -20, the other three i won about 300. I'm spreading from 15 or 25 minimums up to 75. I haven't gotten any direct heat, but as i was playing i overheard the pit boss telling my dealer to watch out for a specific player- i couldn't make out the whispers exactly, pretty sure it was me. And when i colored up a second pit boss came over to ask my dealer how much i made as i was walking away. I believe I'm doing a decent job "camoflauging".

Maybe one of the pit bosses put a note on file under my name?(i play rated). Anyone have similar experiences?



Are you playing pitch games or shoes?
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
surrender88s
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July 28th, 2013 at 5:29:40 AM permalink
Shoes.
"Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1." -Warren Buffett on risk/return

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