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December 19th, 2013 at 3:04:38 PM permalink
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Does anyone know which casinos (if any) allow surrender on Free Bet in Vegas?



I'm not certain but Venetian, Palazzo and Golden Nugget would be your best bet. The others definitely don't.
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December 19th, 2013 at 3:07:23 PM permalink
Thanks for the clarification of the generic house edges, Geoff. And keep that installation list growing!
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December 20th, 2013 at 12:14:46 PM permalink
After putting my blackjack info into a spreadsheet i notice that Spanish21 is no longer available anywhere that I saw. Is it safe to say that Free Bet replaced a lot of the S21 installs?
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December 20th, 2013 at 12:29:38 PM permalink
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After putting my blackjack info into a spreadsheet i notice that Spanish21 is no longer available anywhere that I saw. Is it safe to say that Free Bet replaced a lot of the S21 installs?



Out of the strip casinos, S21 was only at the Venetian/Palazzo. Is it gone now? Cosmopolitan apparently also had a table but I could never find it when I looked.
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December 20th, 2013 at 12:38:41 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Out of the strip casinos, S21 was only at the Venetian/Palazzo. Is it gone now? Cosmopolitan apparently also had a table but I could never find it when I looked.



I did not see it at any of the three. Palazzo has two Free Bets that were not there last year so I assume that took its place. Venetian has a Player's Choice BJ so maybe that replaced it there.
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February 27th, 2014 at 6:19:17 PM permalink
Just got back from playing four hours at Golden Gate and six hours at Casino Royale. I hate the 6/5, but it was close and my group wanted to go there. sigh.

Ayway, it was great fun. And I didn't really know the proper strategy from the available cards. But the right decisions are much easier than in Blackjack Switch. I think you have really hit a home run with this one.

So after ten hours of play, NOW I decided to get educated about the game! lol

My question is about using a Martingale on Free Bet. It was mentioned earlier in the thread, but no one came back with the definitive math of it. It just seems like it would be susceptible to it. Getting one of those multiple splits with doubles with the "big" bet out there makes me exciting thinking about it.

What do you think?
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February 27th, 2014 at 6:40:56 PM permalink
The difference with FreeBet is your chances of winning (as opposed to losing) are probably less than regular Blackjack. Although you tend to hit more (with the real money part), remember there are several major factors at play.
(i) You win less often as (a) if the dealer busts with 22 it's a push rather than a win (b) you are doubling rather than hitting merely because the bet pays 2/1 (an obvious example is 9 vs A - your chances are less but if you do win you get twice your money back).
(ii) You rarely have to risk more than your original stake and hence lose less from unlucky doubles/splits, also good because usually you aren't needing an extra stake available if your bet size has increased significantly.
(iii) You have more x2 payouts because you split and double more often.

Thus you rarely need to worry about needing an extra stake so can push the maximum stake higher, however your actually chances of winning x1 are less (and x2 etc. more).

Without going into the pros and cons of the system itself, one problem with the Martingale system in Blackjack is the probability of winning vs losing is not 50/50 (or even say about 48/52 as it is in Roulette). It's even more distorted in FreeBet, so you've a higher chance of crashing out.
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February 28th, 2014 at 10:29:55 AM permalink
Quote: BigTip

My question is about using a Martingale on Free Bet. It was mentioned earlier in the thread, but no one came back with the definitive math of it. It just seems like it would be susceptible to it. Getting one of those multiple splits with doubles with the "big" bet out there makes me exciting thinking about it.

What do you think?


Every bet you make at Free Bet is -EV. This game is no more susceptible to a martingale than any other -EV casino game. There is no way to make -1 and -1 add up to a number greater than 0.
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February 28th, 2014 at 10:43:31 AM permalink
Quote: BigTip

Just got back from playing four hours at Golden Gate ... ... ...



I was at The Golden Gate yesterday around 7pm, stayed for about an hour before heading to The Golden Nugget.

There will be quite a few more Vegas properties available to play this game in by the end of March.
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February 28th, 2014 at 11:27:06 AM permalink
Any idea if California is going to be getting more installations of Freebet?

The only two remotely near me are at the far end of the casino region and would require over an hour of driving through mountain roads to get there.

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