how should I play this?
Double Deck
Dealer stands on Soft 17
Double after splitting allowed
Not re-splitting aces
No Surrender
I was thinking about just playing short 2-hand DD sessions and walking away when the count gets negetive (maybe a 2 or 3 unit spread)
what do you guys think is a good way to play this?
Quote: sodawaterif you're gonna bother to count the cards why only use a 2 or 3 unit spread?
because I want to play long sessions and I dont want to get kicked out
The rules are not the worst so in this game it comes down to penetration and betting spread. Do you know what the pen is? My thoughts on betting spread is whatever I can get away with. :) A 1-8 spread is just right for most double decks. If you get 75% penetration and wong out at -1 you may get away with 1-4. Is mid shoe entry allowed? The less pen the more spread you'll need and the spread you are proposing is not enough.
Single and double deck games are more closely watched and playing two hands can be a red flag. If you are going to do that be sure to start with two rather than add one in the middle of the shoe. Play with as few players as possible. I would try for heads up myself.
May I ask what count you're using?
Quote: 1BBGlad to have you aboard Bondy3.
The rules are not the worst so in this game it comes down to penetration and betting spread. Do you know what the pen is? My thoughts on betting spread is whatever I can get away with. :) A 1-8 spread is just right for most double decks. If you get 75% penetration and wong out at -1 you may get away with 1-4. Is mid shoe entry allowed? The less pen the more spread you'll need and the spread you are proposing is not enough.
Single and double deck games are more closely watched and playing two hands can be a red flag. If you are going to do that be sure to start with two rather than add one in the middle of the shoe. Play with as few players as possible. I would try for heads up myself.
May I ask what count you're using?
Thanks!
I tried card counting a few years ago and I lost my whole bankroll, now I am going to start again (but small and careful) I am worried about heat because I have been backed off at 8 casinos (all in Washington state)
I think the pen is 60%-75%, I dont think mid shoe entry is allowed
my bankroll is very small, around 100 units (unit being table min)
because my bankroll is so small, I want to play it safe,
I will be counting using HiLo (I can use something else I suppose) I used hilo for my counting back in the day and its what I am used to, but I have never really been into DD games and there may be a better way to count them
I was thinking a betting ramp like this (3 unit spread)
Count
-1 Wong
0 Bet 1 unit
1 bet 2 units
2+ bet 3 units
If you bet $5, then are suddenly betting $40, then again betting $5, isn't that a sure sign you're counting? Or am I missing something?
Quote: mwalz9I'm fairly new to this site, and I must say I love it. However, after reading a lot of posts about card counting and spread betting...how do you spread bets from 1-8 units and not get instantly called out for counting?
If you bet $5, then are suddenly betting $40, then again betting $5, isn't that a sure sign you're counting? Or am I missing something?
there are a lot of people who range their bets wildly for no reason whatsoever, I have seen someone going from $25 bets to 2x$500 bets, for no reason whatsoever. thats how us counters can get away with it
Quote: mwalz9I'm fairly new to this site, and I must say I love it. However, after reading a lot of posts about card counting and spread betting...how do you spread bets from 1-8 units and not get instantly called out for counting?
If you bet $5, then are suddenly betting $40, then again betting $5, isn't that a sure sign you're counting? Or am I missing something?
no major casino is gonna sweat a $40 bet. now if you're spreading from $500 to $4000, that's a different story. but at the red chip level you can jack around your bets all you like and no one will care.
Quote: sodawaterno major casino is gonna sweat a $40 bet. now if you're spreading from $500 to $4000, that's a different story. but at the red chip level you can jack around your bets all you like and no one will care.
what if you spread $1000-$3000 or something like that? its only a 1:3 spread but its yellow level
Alternately you could just bet $1000 per hand and leave on all bad shoes. That would probably be at least break-even.
Quote: sodawaterat the $1000 level your play is going to be subject to scrutiny. So you probably would have to add some cover to it, and spread more than 1 to 3 to compensate for the cover.
Alternately you could just bet $1000 per hand and leave on all bad shoes. That would probably be at least break-even.
flat betting and leaving the second the count goes negetive would be positive EV. the score is 10 with 50% pen and 46 with 75% pen
I think this is right, but it reminds me of a funny story once when I was playing at a crappy small casino. It was a short session, and my bet ranged from $5-$20 in a SIX DECK GAME. I never jumped my bet directly from $5 to $20. I only went from $5 to $10 to $20. I would have bet more, but the count never justified it in the time that I was there. Anyway, after seeing me go from $5 to $20 for the third time, I hear the dealer turn to the pit boss and say "Advantage player" and ask if he should keep dealing to me. I nearly fell over in amazement that any place could be that paranoid about counters. I didn't think I was so obvious--I never split 10s, although I did sit out the last few hands of a negative shoe. For a 6-deck game, that's the worst I've ever seen, by far.
Quote: GambleSometimes"no major casino is gonna sweat a $40 bet."
I think this is right, but it reminds me of a funny story once when I was playing at a crappy small casino. It was a short session, and my bet ranged from $5-$20 in a SIX DECK GAME. I never jumped my bet directly from $5 to $20. I only went from $5 to $10 to $20. I would have bet more, but the count never justified it in the time that I was there. Anyway, after seeing me go from $5 to $20 for the third time, I hear the dealer turn to the pit boss and say "Advantage player" and ask if he should keep dealing to me. I nearly fell over in amazement that any place could be that paranoid about counters. I didn't think I was so obvious--I never split 10s, although I did sit out the last few hands of a negative shoe. For a 6-deck game, that's the worst I've ever seen, by far.
ive never had them call out "advantage player" but I have heard them call out "checks play" when I go from a $5 bet to a $25 bet at a small casino. if I was spreading 5-20 and they called out advantage player I would have fallen out of my chair laughing
Quote: Bondy3ive never had them call out "advantage player" but I have heard them call out "checks play" when I go from a $5 bet to a $25 bet at a small casino. if I was spreading 5-20 and they called out advantage player I would have fallen out of my chair laughing
Calling out "Cheques Play" is just a procedural thing, and doesn't necessarily mean they think you're an advantage player. It's, in many cases, so the floor supervisor won't freak out when they have to pay out a "large" amount. With a split to four hands and a double down on each, your $25 bet turns into $200 of action. They wouldn't care where I work but that's apparently not true of wherever you were.
Quote: BeeJayBoyMake sure you know AC basic strategy before you hit the tables. I would recommend playing the game with more decks actually. I know the single deck games do not allow mid-shoe entry. I am not totally sure about the 2-3 deck. Anyway, here is a cool poster I just got that has S17 rules for 4-8 decks. It also has pictures of the difficult hands on the border so you can go around it and test your knowledge!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B6JNEDO
The basic strategy on that poster is incorrect.
Quote: BeeJayBoyMake sure you know AC basic strategy before you hit the tables. I would recommend playing the game with more decks actually. I know the single deck games do not allow mid-shoe entry. I am not totally sure about the 2-3 deck. Anyway, here is a cool poster I just got that has S17 rules for 4-8 decks. It also has pictures of the difficult hands on the border so you can go around it and test your knowledge!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B6JNEDO
Has anyone caught the mistakes on this chart? Hitting 5,5 vs 9 is wrong. Staying on 9,9 vs 2 is wrong and staying on 9,9 vs 9 is very wrong. The pairs section has the 4,4 splits in red as well as two of the 6,6 splits while all other splits are in green. This could be confusing to someone just learning.
Anyone not playing high limits in AC is really going to have to search for S17 and anyone leaving AC is going to have to learn surrender. I don't get the reference to one, two and three deck games.
Basic strategy charts for a variety of games can be printed from the Wizard of Odds site. They're free!
Quote: BeeJayBoyMake sure you know AC basic strategy before you hit the tables. I would recommend playing the game with more decks actually. I know the single deck games do not allow mid-shoe entry. I am not totally sure about the 2-3 deck. Anyway, here is a cool poster I just got that has S17 rules for 4-8 decks. It also has pictures of the difficult hands on the border so you can go around it and test your knowledge!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B6JNEDO
this poster should be called " how to double the house edge in blackjack by playing poorly"
Quote: 1BBHas anyone caught the mistakes on this chart? Hitting 5,5 vs 9 is wrong. Staying on 9,9 vs 2 is wrong and staying on 9,9 vs 9 is very wrong. The pairs section has the 4,4 splits in red as well as two of the 6,6 splits while all other splits are in green. This could be confusing to someone just learning.
Anyone not playing high limits in AC is really going to have to search for S17 and anyone leaving AC is going to have to learn surrender. I don't get the reference to one, two and three deck games.
Basic strategy charts for a variety of games can be printed from the Wizard of Odds site. They're free!
I didn't even notice that it had the 44 splits with the correct letter but wrong color. Seems like a shoddy production all around! I guess there might be a market for correct BS strategy posters?
