You have 5thru7, Ace, Ace
December 29th, 2012 at 5:05:38 AM
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Oddly, I've never pondered this question before ... I am sure it is considered shameful 'not to know' amongst the enlightened, but I am still a BJ newbie, you know.
http://hitorstand.net/game_l.html has managed to make me think I often hadn't played this right by often showing a low starting hand to then pile on a couple of aces. Cutting to the chase, I am thinking this is correct, but would like to hear from those who can say.
in S17 game, starting with, or soon having, a total of five, or total of six, or total of seven, then you see one ace after the other:
5-ace-ace = consider this a 7 and keep hitting?
6-ace-ace = consider this an 8 and keep hitting? [logic: soft 18 still sucks generally] [exceptions?]
7-ace-ace = consider this soft 19 and stand ? [logic: you should be happy with a 19]
http://hitorstand.net/game_l.html has managed to make me think I often hadn't played this right by often showing a low starting hand to then pile on a couple of aces. Cutting to the chase, I am thinking this is correct, but would like to hear from those who can say.
in S17 game, starting with, or soon having, a total of five, or total of six, or total of seven, then you see one ace after the other:
5-ace-ace = consider this a 7 and keep hitting?
6-ace-ace = consider this an 8 and keep hitting? [logic: soft 18 still sucks generally] [exceptions?]
7-ace-ace = consider this soft 19 and stand ? [logic: you should be happy with a 19]
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
December 29th, 2012 at 5:10:31 AM
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...what?
Just treat them as soft totals, since they are. It doesn't matter that there are two aces, since 11 + 11 = 22, so one of them will always count as one. For the first, keep hitting. For the second, hit with the dealer showing nine or better. For the third, stand. This is all on the BS card. Unless I'm missing something? (I usually am.)
Just treat them as soft totals, since they are. It doesn't matter that there are two aces, since 11 + 11 = 22, so one of them will always count as one. For the first, keep hitting. For the second, hit with the dealer showing nine or better. For the third, stand. This is all on the BS card. Unless I'm missing something? (I usually am.)
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:14:49 AM
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thanks for the reply,
you mean, go by BS? sometimes you double, right? duh, see reply. Thanks again, sometimes you just have to ask dumb questions [edited]
PS: it's not that you consider it a 7, right? although you have a chance, I think, to revisit 17 or more once you start hitting [hard 17 or more, though, coming back around]
Quote: 24BingoFor the first, keep hitting.
you mean, go by BS? sometimes you double, right? duh, see reply. Thanks again, sometimes you just have to ask dumb questions [edited]
PS: it's not that you consider it a 7, right? although you have a chance, I think, to revisit 17 or more once you start hitting [hard 17 or more, though, coming back around]
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
December 29th, 2012 at 5:26:10 AM
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You can't usually double with three cards. If you could, you'd want to (on 3-6 as usual), but where you can there's usually another rule that complicates things.
Don't consider it a seven or a seventeen. Consider it a soft seventeen.
Don't consider it a seven or a seventeen. Consider it a soft seventeen.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:27:28 AM
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A "soft" hand means: you have the option to reduce the value of the hand by 10, because the hand contains an ace whose value of 1 or 11 is still open.
Hence the hand 5AA is a "soft 17".
A "hard" hand means: you don't have this option, because you either don't have an ace or all aces in your hands must be of value 1 (if one ace would be a 11 your hand would be bust).
Basic strategy doesn't care about the individual hand composition (this of course is a simplification), it gives you the best playing option of a "hard" or "soft" hand for a given value and a given dealers upcard.
Hence the hand 5AA is a "soft 17".
A "hard" hand means: you don't have this option, because you either don't have an ace or all aces in your hands must be of value 1 (if one ace would be a 11 your hand would be bust).
Basic strategy doesn't care about the individual hand composition (this of course is a simplification), it gives you the best playing option of a "hard" or "soft" hand for a given value and a given dealers upcard.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:47:15 AM
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You can't use the basic strategy charts for what to do when you have soft totals after 3 cards.
So, yes, always, alway hit on soft 17.
With a soft 18 without the ability to double, you always Stand, except against a 10 or A
Always stay on soft 19.
This is because the EV of doubling makes it a better play than standing, but hitting is a worse play than standing.
Take the Wizard's BJ appendix 9 strategy for 8 decks, H17:
2 vs 7,A: Stand 0.112397, Hit 0.060298, Double 0.115866
3 vs 7,A: Stand 0.140675, Hit 0.088051, Double 0.174678
4 vs 7,A: Stand 0.169828, Hit 0.120881, Double 0.241762
5 vs 7,A: Stand 0.197978, Hit 0.149995, Double 0.299990
6 vs 7,A: Stand 0.222828, Hit 0.178233, Double 0.356466
So in all of the cases above, it's better to stand than to hit, but better to double (if available).
So, yes, always, alway hit on soft 17.
With a soft 18 without the ability to double, you always Stand, except against a 10 or A
Always stay on soft 19.
This is because the EV of doubling makes it a better play than standing, but hitting is a worse play than standing.
Take the Wizard's BJ appendix 9 strategy for 8 decks, H17:
2 vs 7,A: Stand 0.112397, Hit 0.060298, Double 0.115866
3 vs 7,A: Stand 0.140675, Hit 0.088051, Double 0.174678
4 vs 7,A: Stand 0.169828, Hit 0.120881, Double 0.241762
5 vs 7,A: Stand 0.197978, Hit 0.149995, Double 0.299990
6 vs 7,A: Stand 0.222828, Hit 0.178233, Double 0.356466
So in all of the cases above, it's better to stand than to hit, but better to double (if available).
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December 29th, 2012 at 7:17:07 AM
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Sure you should stand with 6AA against a nine?
Composition-dependent strategy only makes sense if you're at the top of the shoe. Otherwise, you should either use indices or BS.
Composition-dependent strategy only makes sense if you're at the top of the shoe. Otherwise, you should either use indices or BS.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:29:09 AM
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I like "hit or stand" and go with "difficult" , but I don't much try to beat the 4 second clock, I'm not there yet.
I think this is the only time I saw dubious advice. I had hit "stand", which would seem to be correct, then I get this pop-up in green; you get that pop-up with mistakes. Can't double with 3 cards with the "hit or stand" game
I think this is the only time I saw dubious advice. I had hit "stand", which would seem to be correct, then I get this pop-up in green; you get that pop-up with mistakes. Can't double with 3 cards with the "hit or stand" game
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
December 29th, 2012 at 8:56:48 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
December 29th, 2012 at 9:01:55 AM
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You? Really?
You're hemorrhaging that EV that's so precious to you. If you can't double, you shouldn't hit against 2-6. You shouldn't even double on 2 if the dealer stands on 17. Look it up if you don't believe me.
You're hemorrhaging that EV that's so precious to you. If you can't double, you shouldn't hit against 2-6. You shouldn't even double on 2 if the dealer stands on 17. Look it up if you don't believe me.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:10:46 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
December 29th, 2012 at 9:19:13 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
December 29th, 2012 at 10:14:28 AM
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the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
December 29th, 2012 at 2:52:07 PM
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Quote: 24BingoComposition-dependent strategy only makes sense if you're at the top of the shoe. Otherwise, you should either use indices or BS.
Huh? That's not true. If you're not counting, composition-dependent strategy is always better than basic strategy. If you are, then you should always use indices.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:28:37 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitI like "hit or stand" and go with "difficult" , but I don't much try to beat the 4 second clock, I'm not there yet.
I think this is the only time I saw dubious advice. I had hit "stand", which would seem to be correct, then I get this pop-up in green; you get that pop-up with mistakes. Can't double with 3 cards with the "hit or stand" game
I believe I noticed a similar error the last time I used that game, and hence game up on it. Pretty easy mistake to fix in the game code, I'm surprised they haven't done it yet.
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