BigJer
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November 19th, 2012 at 1:37:40 PM permalink
Quote: PlayHunter

Yes, it is clear, but is it accurate ? I am thinking that there may be a very huge negative TC and I start to count it from 0. If this is possible, then I will rise my bets when my TC will be +2, but in fact, there is still a negative TC. If so, I am not betting on a -EV ?



True but you can also have EV+. However the best thing to do is wait for a new shoe.
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PlayHunter
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November 19th, 2012 at 2:07:10 PM permalink
Thank you so much guys, very helpful info and much appreciated ! Surely I have learned something good from this thread. :-)
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November 19th, 2012 at 2:30:29 PM permalink
Scouting tables for the purpose of wonging in, wonging out, abstaining from alcohol, spreading to two hands, sitting at third base, not tipping, not using a players card and starting a new shoe at your base bet after they've seen your top bet. The last one is important and you really have to leave after that.
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AxiomOfChoice
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November 19th, 2012 at 3:27:17 PM permalink
There is one thing I've always wondered. How much can you get away with if you're drinking?

I can hold my alcohol pretty well, and counting is not really all that hard. (I've never understood why everyone says that it is. I find remembering BS a lot harder than keeping an accurate count)

I'm not saying that I am going to pound them back, but if I am having, say, two drinks an hour, it is not going to affect my ability to count. It might affect my ability to remember BS, but I'm not too proud to use a BS card (and, I doubt that this can be considered a "giveaway" since every single person I've ever seen use one of those things plays absolutely terribly)
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November 19th, 2012 at 4:41:46 PM permalink
I continue to find it odd that people use drinking as some sort of measuring stick. Like a drink is a cover, a drinker couldn't possibly count, or a counter couldn't possibly drink? It makes no sense to me.

Pretty much all I look for is bet fluctuations and deviations from strategy. I don't care if you look at every card, if you concentrate enough to set a fire, if you want to see the burn card, whether you have a tonic sans gin or straight vodka, or whether your "phone call" has someone on the other end or not. Clues? Pfft. What are the cards and money doing, that's all that matters.

It seems, as it does with all too many things, that people are making the game too complicated, and wasting 90% of their time, not being productive, but chasing ghosts and creating suspicion. I'm glad I'm not a Vegan, I couldn't handle all the sweat.

OT, but what the hell does one from Vegas call oneself? A Las Vegan? Las Vegonian? Las Vegonite?
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MakingBook
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November 19th, 2012 at 4:52:55 PM permalink
Quote: Face

Pretty much all I look for is bet fluctuations and deviations from strategy.



Isn't this what all civilians do?

Fluctuate bets- playing their progression systems, martingale systems, etc.

Deviate from strategy- because they do not know basic strategy.
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MakingBook
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November 19th, 2012 at 4:57:29 PM permalink
No need to worry about counters though.
Paigowdan said AP is dead, a phantasm, or something like that?
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AxiomOfChoice
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November 19th, 2012 at 5:05:49 PM permalink
Quote: MakingBook

Isn't this what all civilians do?

Fluctuate bets- playing their progression systems, martingale systems, etc.

Deviate from strategy- because they do not know basic strategy.



This is what I was thinking. If you kicked out everyone who deviated from basic strategy you would have some pretty empty tables.

And, as far as I can tell, almost no one flat-bets at the higher-limit tables (people do flat bet at the lower-limit tables though -- presumably they just want to have some fun with minimum losses).
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November 19th, 2012 at 5:16:43 PM permalink
Quote: MakingBook

Isn't this what all civilians do?

Fluctuate bets- playing their progression systems, martingale systems, etc.

Deviate from strategy- because they do not know basic strategy.



Wait, so there's more to it?

Just kidding, of course. I get jokes. I just assumed I didn't need to insult the intelligence of my counting couterparts by spelling it out.
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98Clubs
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November 19th, 2012 at 6:59:01 PM permalink
This was asked 7-8 years ago at H/S Forums. IMHO the easiest to spot play is 2-card 16 vs. a 10-value, especially if NO surrender.
Varying bets... I guess so. But some folks add a chip after the second consecutive win. Thats not counting per se.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.

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