Let it Ride.
Quote: FleaStiffI've heard that dealers who deal LIR are often serving a punishment tour for some prior mistake they made at some other game.
We joke about that, but I think it's more that someone has to deal it and everyone eventually gets to do their time in purgatory. Although I suppose it could be true that if it's known someone hates it, it could be used as a punishment at certain casinos.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyWe joke about that, but I think it's more that someone has to deal it and everyone eventually gets to do their time in purgatory. Although I suppose it could be true that if it's known someone hates it, it could be used as a punishment at certain casinos.
My dealers joke about the game calling it "Let Er Die" in reference to how boring and awful it is to deal. We have the tournament edition where any player who gets 4 of a Kind of better is entered into a semi-annual tournament that pays out something like 50k. Though the game is boring and has a large house edge it is very popular because everyone dreams about that royal or straight flush.
Quote: winmonkeyspit3Quote: MonkeyMonkeyWe joke about that, but I think it's more that someone has to deal it and everyone eventually gets to do their time in purgatory. Although I suppose it could be true that if it's known someone hates it, it could be used as a punishment at certain casinos.
My dealers joke about the game calling it "Let Er Die" in reference to how boring and awful it is to deal. We have the tournament edition where any player who gets 4 of a Kind of better is entered into a semi-annual tournament that pays out something like 50k. Though the game is boring and has a large house edge it is very popular because everyone dreams about that royal or straight flush.
I played LIR one time, waiting for a PGP seat to open up. I had no idea what I was doing. I had 2-3-6S, pulled a bet, flipped 4s, asked for advice & left the bet out. I'll be damned if the 5s didn't come on 5th street. That experience still wasn't enough to get me to play the game again. It's that bad. I don't even understand why it's still spread - just replace every table with MS stud or THB if people want a similar game. Or BJ for simplicity.
Or is the main problem the sub 22% hit rate....almost 4 out of 5 hands you simply pull back two of three wagers and then lose the third. When the 3CP side bet has a slightly higher hit rate, you know something is wrong with the main game!
Is that it.....the hit rate and the constant pushing back of wagers on 4 out of 5 hands? Could the game be fixed with a higher hit rate or is a 5 Card Stud Poker Game against a pay table simply not a good enough game in today's market place?
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I played LIR one time, waiting for a PGP seat to open up. I had no idea what I was doing. I had 2-3-6S, pulled a bet, flipped 4s, asked for advice & left the bet out. I'll be damned if the 5s didn't come on 5th street. That experience still wasn't enough to get me to play the game again. It's that bad. I don't even understand why it's still spread - just replace every table with MS stud or THB if people want a similar game. Or BJ for simplicity.
What LiR players like is that they don't have to beat the dealer; you get a winning hand, you get paid. And the decisions are simpler, no stratgey cards to memorize, no bets to track. That makes it very much a social game, with players pulling for each other and lots of table talk; if you're a solitary gambler, that's actually anothr reason to not like it. As far as house edge, it is better than a lot of other goofball games, as long as you understand that the button bet wil flat out chew you up, over time. None of that changes the fact that it can be a real drag for players that like the constant buzz of BJ or craps. Sometimes I can take it, sometimes I can't. I'll sometimes play a couple hundred to see what happens, but I won't sit at a table all night like some folks do.
Quote: ParadigmLet It Ride has had a huge run. The game is almost 20 years old and in the early days of proprietary games, this was the only option and then along came Carribean Stud. Is the problem with Let It Ride (and Carribean Stud for that matter) simply that they are very long in the tooth?
Or is the main problem the sub 22% hit rate....almost 4 out of 5 hands you simply pull back two of three wagers and then lose the third. When the 3CP side bet has a slightly higher hit rate, you know something is wrong with the main game!
Is that it.....the hit rate and the constant pushing back of wagers on 4 out of 5 hands? Could the game be fixed with a higher hit rate or is a 5 Card Stud Poker Game against a pay table simply not a good enough game in today's market place?
Mississippi Stud seems to have gained traction, so 5 Card Stud Poker games against a pay table still seem to have a chance.
For me, I don't have an expectation of getting a royal or straight flush, so you're then left with a lot of hands that are non-paying: many times where you can get sucked in and then lose on the last card. Psychologically, and in reality, it's hard to get a straight or a flush in 5 cards- so it *seems* like a hard game. As opposed to something like 3-card of 4-card, where most people who've played those games for any significant amount of time have received high-paying hands.
I tried Mississippi Stud for the first time last weekend and did really well: I was betting big and got trips twice in maybe 10 hands. Maybe I'll never play the game again and go out a winner on that one... :)
Let it Ride with a "4-card" bonus might be an interesting side bet for the game, actually.
Quote: winmonkeyspit3Quote: MonkeyMonkeyWe joke about that, but I think it's more that someone has to deal it and everyone eventually gets to do their time in purgatory. Although I suppose it could be true that if it's known someone hates it, it could be used as a punishment at certain casinos.
My dealers joke about the game calling it "Let Er Die" in reference to how boring and awful it is to deal.
Add me to this list. I only deal the parties and the one time or so a year I get it I know will be a long night. My feeling is that it attracts players too lazy to stand while they play Big-6. Though our team leader says, "You say Let-it-Die but I say, 'why?.'" He thinks it is a more pleasant little game and does not mind dealing it as much. I would rather we get a new layout for something else and teach people that one. But I will admit, LIR has this small but loyal fan base who plops down when they see it. I agree with the part of no strategy cards or even strategy for that matter. FWIW I think I would rather deal "Casino War."
I try to encourage them to give Mississippi Stud a try if they aren't having any luck with LIR. It's nearly the same game in reverse and when you get something you know will at least push you can pile on the bet and maybe win big. When you see you have something that will win on LIR all you can do is wish that you'd put more out there to begin with.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyMy biggest complaint with it is that it's hard to make it fun for the players. They lose so often it just seems like a demoralizing experience for them, and most don't have any reluctance to share their displeasure with the dealer. We call it Let It Die and Let Them Whine, both.
This is hit rate in a nutshell and is my experience as well, the likelihood of a big hand seems so small that the minor infrequent hits don't seem to bring any excitement since they are only for single unit pay outs on remaining bets (which there is only 1 left if the hand is made on the turn of the fifth card). There is no way to make a game that only pays off 1 out of 5 hands a fun journey for the player.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI try to encourage them to give Mississippi Stud a try if they aren't having any luck with LIR. It's nearly the same game in reverse and when you get something you know will at least push you can pile on the bet and maybe win big. When you see you have something that will win on LIR all you can do is wish that you'd put more out there to begin with.
I only added up to a 26.3% hit rate on Mississippi Stud, so while a few points better than LIR, this game would appear to be a lot of loser hands as well. I believe the draw here has to be what you have indicated: players can shove 3x ante if they get a hand that at least pushes in hopes of it getting better. The multi unit payout on multi bets potential for a seemingly easy to get pair of Jacks or better must be the driver that encourages players to sit through the low hit rate of MS.
Quote: ParadigmI only added up to a 26.3% hit rate on Mississippi Stud, so while a few points better than LIR, this game would appear to be a lot of loser hands as well. I believe the draw here has to be what you have indicated: players can shove 3x ante if they get a hand that at least pushes in hopes of it getting better. The multi unit payout on multi bets potential for a seemingly easy to get pair of Jacks or better must be the driver that encourages players to sit through the low hit rate of MS.
I think this is exactly it. Especially if I turn over two 6's then I can announce to ALL the players, stack 'em up folks, you can't lose 'em! This is a more positive, encouraging moment than you ever see on LIR. I've heard that the psychological effect on the brain of a near win is almost the same as a win, and that certainly seems true on MS.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffI would have to say the biggest punishment table is the low limit blackjack table.
I have mixed feelings about that. On a slow night being on a $5 bj table is kinda nice, you always have something to do. On a Friday or Saturday night I would agree, Hell on Earth. But to me LIR is always that miserable.
