Craps Come Betting Strategy - The Come Ladder

10 minute video explainer of a strategy I've never heard of.
Craps Come Betting Strategy - The Come Ladder - Pro Craps - Mar 29, 2023


I watched a video of this whining just before the above video.
From Addicted to Over It – Why I Quit Playing Craps! - Mark The Point: A Craps Strategy


Now I don't know if I should play Blackjack or do the Come Ladder on my next visit to the casino, lol.

I probably shouldn't admit I found the 'come ladder' kind of interesting. I think you would learn to really hate when craps is rolled

I just lost two 20 bet buy-ins ($5 Table) on Spanish 21 in less than 3 hours at the casino. There was so little upswing, it was downswing after every shoe except the first. I should stick to craps. I can't recommend Spanish 21 as a game to play to myself with no budget after that session. I don't know where the upswing shoes are, they seem like phantom goals somewhere. The only upswings were +5 bet recoveries followed by more downswings. I kept losing most of my double downs, again. If I played 200 hands and only won 80 hands and lost 120 hands, that would total out to a 40 hand loss not counting pushes, and a 40% win rate.

I lost my $25 match play on the Pass Line.

I've lost a couple hundred on come betting ladders, but I usually only use profit from DC/DP play to make a run with the come betting strategies. Ultimately you're looking at a hot streak of buckshot numbers. For instance, I've been at the table(and didn't fully bet it) when a guy threw 9 8's in like 13 rolls. Something like that is going to absolutely crush for a come strategy.

Also I find it hilarious Mark lost so much playing craps but won a ton playing blackjack. You'd think you'd just stick at the card tables if you're having such a nice streak.

watched a video that showed starting with a pass line of $25 combined with 50 on the Don't ... this didn't seem to have a purpose but got me thinking [uh-oh LOL]

I took the wizard craps roller and put 25 on the pass and 30 on the Don't. Call it the 'new' doey-don't... One for the $25 minimum bet problem. Well, the math says on average you'd lose 77 cents each time you set that up but for sure a loss on both never happens at the same time, though something not quite as bad happens when a 12 shows on the come-out. As a matter of fact, you just go a really long time staying about even, really long ... awaiting the time the 12s start to take a toll. Meanwhile you can try your luck picking a side on the free odds, in the amount of your choice. Unless you're the guy who does 8 hour sessions, you probably will break out about even on the doey-don't of things.

Probably. A 12 on the come-out one after the other, or nearly, can happen for sure. If this happens right away, you know to give it up* and go spend your money foolishly on something else

* my disclaimer as to whether I really recommend this

the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder

A 1.4% HA on a $5 PL is only 7 cents versus 77 cents trying to rig it that way ($25 Doey + $30 Don't) on a $25 table. Might do better just putting $5 (table minimum) on a single 6 or 8 hard way with an HA of 45.5 cents on a $25 table.
Trying to Doey-Don't a $15 table to a $5 table with $15 & $20 bets is still a 49 cent HA while two $3 hard way 6/8 with 9.1% HA is 54.6 cents. Of course if I was using a progression on winning hard ways that HA goes way up.
Trying to Doey-Don't a $10 table to a $5 table with $10 & $15 bets is still a 35 cent HA and I could counteract that with two $2 hard way 6/8 bets with a 36.4 cent HA.

I usually use a progression on the PL but looking at these HA's I'm wondering if I should be pressing the the odds instead, but then I remember my strong point is come-out 7-11's.

I don't like losing more in come bets than when I win a come-out roll. So I'd start with a $10 PL and two $5 come bets. If I want to add odds, it'd be $10 odds on the PL and $15/$16 odds on the come bets. If one of the come bets won, I'd take the winnings and cover two place numbers for $10/$12, then do it again if the other come number won so I'd have 4 box numbers covered and the PL. Usually by the time I convert my come bets to place bets it's too late in the shooter's turn to start running a progression so I'll just leave them flat bet. Double those numbers for a $10 table.

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A 1.4% HA on a $5 PL is only 7 cents versus 77 cents trying to rig it that way ($25 Doey + $30 Don't) on a $25 table. Might do better just putting $5 (table minimum) on a single 6 or 8 hard way with an HA of 45.5 cents on a $25 table.
Trying to Doey-Don't a $15 table to a $5 table with $15 & $20 bets is still a 49 cent HA while two $3 hard way 6/8 with 9.1% HA is 54.6 cents. Of course if I was using a progression on winning hard ways that HA goes way up.
Trying to Doey-Don't a $10 table to a $5 table with $10 & $15 bets is still a 35 cent HA and I could counteract that with two $2 hard way 6/8 bets with a 36.4 cent HA.

I usually use a progression on the PL but looking at these HA's I'm wondering if I should be pressing the the odds instead, but then I remember my strong point is come-out 7-11's.

I don't like losing more in come bets than when I win a come-out roll. So I'd start with a $10 PL and two $5 come bets. If I want to add odds, it'd be $10 odds on the PL and $15/$16 odds on the come bets. If one of the come bets won, I'd take the winnings and cover two place numbers for $10/$12, then do it again if the other come number won so I'd have 4 box numbers covered and the PL. Usually by the time I convert my come bets to place bets it's too late in the shooter's turn to start running a progression so I'll just leave them flat bet.
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Congratulations, CChange, for the correct evaluation of why any doey-don't just doesnt do what the player wants. Note one thing about your evaluation, $10 on the pass line, nothing on the don't, or vice versa, is the way to go when low minimums are available. The fact is, a $25 minimum changes my attitude into "I basically just don't want to play" ... not what you would call a session, anyway. The doey-don't I just haven't played before, but now I'm considering it as an antidote to $25 minimums. Yes in reality the casino wins again, but maybe I'll take the low passline variance. And I'm saying do $25 passliine and $30 on the Don't is the way to go.

Yes just bail out if you get hit with bad luck on come-out 12s. Believe me, you will also notice come out 7s and 11s that are in a row, but you'll survive those, and craps 2,3 are sweet.