Evenbobs Baccarat Thread
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If you truly have this amazing ability to guess correctly at an 80% hit rate, it shouldn't be that hard, difficult, or take that long to prove you beat those games. Come on man, just 100 flat bets of your best guesses that's plenty if you can get above 77%. I'll believe you then.
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What the heck are you talking about. The 80% thing only applies to the other game where I can look at multiple streams at once on multiple screens. Baccarat is a totally different game, I just can't look at the outcomes and figure it out I have to write them down. And my hit rate for 100 bets also applies only to roulette because on one wheel I have three different streams or more to write down and choose from. In baccarat I only have one, one stream, that's it. So I will always be playing baccarat to make one or two units, that's it. And I will never know what my hit rate is because I will never play long enough to find out at any given time. I'm only playing this game to make money, not impress myself with statistics, Why you think all the things I was doing in roulette applies equally to Baccarat is a mystery to me because I never said it. You obviously have no idea what I'm doing because no matter how many times I repeat myself you always get it wrong and your assumptions always get in the way.
So if you're expecting so-called 'wild' claims from me about Baccarat I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. What you're seeing is what you're going to get. And I will never post results when I start making bets for real money because that's just stupid to broadcast your finances. All you will ever see is my $1 sessions.
Quote: EvenBobAnd by the way, I only ever bet $1 when I'm playing Baccarat for the purposes of these demonstrations. If you see a $2 win that means I bet $1 and the casino registers it as $2 because they pay you back your $1 bet along with your $1 win. For instance if you bet $5 on player and win, a window will come up that says congratulations you won $10. Because once the timer runs out after you make a bet, whatever money you bet now belongs to the casino you no longer have control over it. If you lose they keep it, if you win they pay it back to you along with your win. So if I see that Joe Blow just won $10,000 in baccarat, it means he bet $5,000 so he actually won $5,000 and not $10,000.
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That's all very well, but your explanation still doesn't explain the game history log that you showed.
That game history seems to be totally gaffed and inconsistent. The Win/Loss column should show the net change to your balance as a result of the wager. If it's a loss of $1. it shows -$1 which is what we expect. That is the effect on your balance of losing a $1 wager. To be consistent, if you WON $0.95 it should show the net effect on you balance of +$0.95. I know full well that on the game display during play, it shows WIN $1.95 when you win. And it probably shows nothing at all when you lose.
I also know about the 5% commission on Banker Wins where they dock your winnings by 5c on the dollar.
But work with me on this and see if you can understand and explain to us.
You started at the bottom of the page with a start balance of $20.26. True? You accept that that was the balance on your account before placing the first wager. You lost your first $1 wager giving an end balance of $19.26 which went on to be the start balance of your second wager. You won the second wager, which was on banker. Your end balance went up by $1.95 to $21.21.
How can that be? It's inconsistent. After three games, where you lost two and won one, you were down by only 5c?
It gets weirder.
After 5 bets in total, where you started with $20.26 (bottom left) and lost 3 units and won 2 units ( on Banker ), you ended up 2 units or $1.90 in profit, at $22.16 ( Upper Right) ?
How do we reconcile that?
Start with $21.26 Before any wager placed ( Lower Left of table )
Lose 1 unit of $1 You are down one unit to $20.26
Lose 1 unit of $1 You are now down two units at $19.26
Win 0.95 You should still be down one unit, but somehow you are only 5c down at $21.21. They have added $1.95 without debiting the $1 stake
Lose 1 unit of $1 You should now be down by two units
Win 1 unit of $0.95
End up with $22.16 for a net profit of $0.90
You lost 3 units, won 2 units and ended up 1 units ahead?????
Is that casino accounting software broken? Are they giving free money away?
You might actually have found the Holy Grail, a casino that double pays on Banker Wins
Maybe someone, maybe EvenBob, can help me to understand.... I'm happy if someone could point out my silly mistake in the above.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobAnd by the way, I only ever bet $1 when I'm playing Baccarat for the purposes of these demonstrations. If you see a $2 win that means I bet $1 and the casino registers it as $2 because they pay you back your $1 bet along with your $1 win. For instance if you bet $5 on player and win, a window will come up that says congratulations you won $10. Because once the timer runs out after you make a bet, whatever money you bet now belongs to the casino you no longer have control over it. If you lose they keep it, if you win they pay it back to you along with your win. So if I see that Joe Blow just won $10,000 in baccarat, it means he bet $5,000 so he actually won $5,000 and not $10,000.
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That's all very well, but your explanation still doesn't explain the game history log that you showed.
That game history seems to be totally gaffed and inconsistent. The Win/Loss column should show the net change to your balance as a result of the wager. If it's a loss of $1. it shows -$1 which is what we expect. That is the effect on your balance of losing a $1 wager. To be consistent, if you WON $0.95 it should show the net effect on you balance of +$0.95. I know full well that on the game display during play, it shows WIN $1.95 when you win. And it probably shows nothing at all when you lose.
I also know about the 5% commission on Banker Wins where they dock your winnings by 5c on the dollar.
But work with me on this and see if you can understand and explain to us.
You started at the bottom of the page with a start balance of $20.26. True? You accept that that was the balance on your account before placing the first wager. You lost your first $1 wager giving an end balance of $19.26 which went on to be the start balance of your second wager. You won the second wager, which was on banker. Your end balance went up by $1.95 to $21.21.
How can that be? It's inconsistent. After two games, where you lost one and won one, you were up by one unit?????
It gets weirder.
After 5 bets in total, where you started with 20.26 (bottom left) and lost 3 units and won 2 units ( on Banker ), you ended up 2 units or $1.90 in profit, at 22.16 ( Upper Right) ?
How do we reconcile that?
Start with $21.26 Before any wager placed ( Lower Left of table )
Lose 1 unit of $1 You are down one unit to $20.26
Lose 1 unit of $1 You are now down two units at $19.26
Win 0.95 You should still be down one unit, but somehow you are only 5c down at $21.21. They have added $1.95 without debiting the $1 stake
Lose 1 unit of $1 You should now be down by two units
Win 1 unit of $0.95
End up with $22.16 for a net profit of $1.90
You lost 3 units, won 2 units and ended up 2 units ahead?????
Is that casino accounting software broken? Are they giving free money away?
You might actually have found the Holy Grail, a casino that double pays on Banker Wins
Maybe someone, maybe EvenBob, can help me to understand.... I'm happy if someone could point out my silly mistake in the above.
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If it was just that casino then EB would not say he's beating Baccarat everywhere and he certainly wouldn't expose such a powerful gaffe.
As Sherlock Holmes says, "Once the eliminate the impossible, whatever is left over, no matter how improbable, must be the truth"
What is left here is that he is manipulating the documents and furtheringit with a lie that the amount reflects his original wager handed back. End story.
Quote: EvenBobSet out to make one unit at this Playtech casino and I did. The history window was quite small and you have to scroll around in it to see everything so my picture does not include the date which was today. If you really need the date I suppose I can go and make a copy of it but here's the results.
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Just for the record here is the actual breakdown of the units won or lost based on EB's posted record.
We can discount that he is wagering $2 since he denies that and he would have a dime commission instead of a nickel.
First wager
Start $21.26 lose $1 = $20.26
Second wager
Start $20.26 lose $1 = $19.26
Third wager
Start $19.26 win $.95 = $20.21
Fourth wager
Start $20.21 lose $1 = $19.21
Fifth wager
Start $19.21 win $.95 = $20.16
EB LOST $1.10.
It's impossible with normal Baccarat that the history provided wound up a winner.
That history must be gaffed on purpose since EB is backing it with his incorrect reasoning that they handed him the original wager back without first deducting it.
Quote: OnceDearIn the interest of clarity, I edited out a typo while DarkOz wa quoting me.
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Also in the interest of evidence gathering, here's the image as originally posted by EvenBob, lest the original changes.
It clearly shows 3 losses, 2 wins and a net profit over the session of 90c
I get what you are saying. EB makes no meaningful claim in this thread, and has made no meaningful demonstration of anything.Quote: TigerWuI find EB just as annoying as the next man, but what exactly are y'all trying to "debunk" here? I just tried skimming through this thread again, but it doesn't look like EB has made any nonsensical claims like he did in his other threads.... so far, what I've been able to figure out is that a) EB plays baccarat, and b) he bets the streaks. Did I miss where he claims to have "beaten" the game or has an 80% hit rate or some other impossible nonsense? He's even admitted that he loses multiple hands in a row sometimes. I mean, I can't believe I'm actually defending him, but what exactly is the issue with what he's saying about baccarat here? Like I said, I may have missed something....
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He has however posted a game history log, which shows him losing 3 units, winning 2 units and ending up 1 unit ahead. I and DarkOz are just trying to understand that.
Quote: TigerWuI find EB just as annoying as the next man, but what exactly are y'all trying to "debunk" here? I just tried skimming through this thread again, but it doesn't look like EB has made any nonsensical claims like he did in his other threads.... so far, what I've been able to figure out is that a) EB plays baccarat, and b) he bets the streaks. Did I miss where he claims to have "beaten" the game or has an 80% hit rate or some other impossible nonsense? He's even admitted that he loses multiple hands in a row sometimes. I mean, I can't believe I'm actually defending him, but what exactly is the issue with what he's saying about baccarat here? Like I said, I may have missed something....
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IMO he has made a worse claim than all his roulette claims.
He has posted what he claims is irrefutable evidence that he can and did win a session of Baccarat. That being a win/loss log.
And the win/loss log is not mathematically possible. I posted above the problem
Flatbetting $1:
He has $1 subtracted when he loses
And $2 added when he wins(minus commission)
He has made the ridiculous claim that the $2 represents his original wager being returned along with his profit but do the math yourself. That is an incorrect claim.
There can only be one explanation. I'm sorry but EB has posted a faked log.
IMO this is so serious because EB has made challenges in the past and if he is capable of gaffing results that could theoretically lead to someone on this forum being defrauded.
Quote: TigerWuI find EB just as annoying as the next man, but what exactly are y'all trying to "debunk" here? I just tried skimming through this thread again, but it doesn't look like EB has made any nonsensical claims like he did in his other threads.... so far, what I've been able to figure out is that a) EB plays baccarat, and b) he bets the streaks. Did I miss where he claims to have "beaten" the game or has an 80% hit rate or some other impossible nonsense? He's even admitted that he loses multiple hands in a row sometimes. I mean, I can't believe I'm actually defending him, but what exactly is the issue with what he's saying about baccarat here? Like I said, I may have missed something....
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You're not missing anything, I made no claims at all. I haven't even started playing for real money yet. I have always preferred Baccarat because it's easier to make short-term money in my opinion because the shoes are easier to read on a regular basis. But I never play baccarat because where I live the casinos either don't offer it or when they do, it's a $25 minimum and there's only one table and it's always 100% of the time packed with players. With addicted Baccarat players who once they sit down don't get up for hours, you know who I'm talking about. And when a break comes in between shoes they make sure their chair is saved for when they come back from the restroom. Now that I have online Baccarat I don't have to deal with any of that and I don't know why it's taking me a year to realize that I should be playing baccarat and not the other game. I have never been Master of the obvious.
As far as this confusion over the Playtech results, I made a unit no matter what it says. It's very hard to read their history page it's confusing, if you think I didn't make a unit good grief, what do I care. All I know is I started out with a certain amount of money and had more money than that when I quit which means I made money which is all I wanted to do. You can pick and pick and pick it apart if you want it's your time to waste, but don't expect me to jump in and defend it because I don't have the time or the desire.
Some people call it hit and run, I call it 'win and leave'. To me there are only two ways of playing a casino game, win and leave, or stay and suffer. Most people choose to stay and suffer because they're addicts, they get off on it. I get off on leaving a winner, so that's what I do. I read somewhere that your average Casino player is ahead money wise at least one time during their stay. But they don't stop, they just keep playing till their money's gone. Imagine what would happen to the casino if everybody left when they were ahead, they would go out of business.
Quote: darkozQuote: TigerWuI find EB just as annoying as the next man, but what exactly are y'all trying to "debunk" here? I just tried skimming through this thread again, but it doesn't look like EB has made any nonsensical claims like he did in his other threads.... so far, what I've been able to figure out is that a) EB plays baccarat, and b) he bets the streaks. Did I miss where he claims to have "beaten" the game or has an 80% hit rate or some other impossible nonsense? He's even admitted that he loses multiple hands in a row sometimes. I mean, I can't believe I'm actually defending him, but what exactly is the issue with what he's saying about baccarat here? Like I said, I may have missed something....
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IMO he has made a worse claim than all his roulette claims.
He has posted what he claims is irrefutable evidence that he can and did win a session of Baccarat. That being a win/loss log.
And the win/loss log is not mathematically possible. I posted above the problem
Flatbetting $1:
He has $1 subtracted when he loses
And $2 added when he wins(minus commission)
He has made the ridiculous claim that the $2 represents his original wager being returned along with his profit but do the math yourself. That is an incorrect claim.
There can only be one explanation. I'm sorry but EB has posted a faked log.
IMO this is so serious because EB has made challenges in the past and if he is capable of gaffing results that could theoretically lead to someone on this forum being defrauded.
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I'm not accusing EB of faking the report. Indeed, I DON'T believe that the report is faked. There are no obvious photoshopping errors. But the report seems to my mind to be inconsistent with the play described. It seems to report 5 wagers, where 3 were lost and 2 were won, but with an overall session win of 90c
I've asked others to sanity check my observation and questions and I'll be delighted to have it explained to me how my observation is flawed.
I'm happy to accept that online casino game reports are indeed often flawed and I've not played this game, which is not available to me.
I've been asked if the report is of 5 wagers or 3 wagers, and I cannot, as yet see how it is anything but a report of 5 wagers.
Quote: TigerWuEither EB is faking that log, or Playtech has a really weird, stupid way of doing it. It doesn't make any sense at all for EB to fake it the way it's presented, which is why I'm leaning towards it just being the way Playtech's "system" works. I've never gambled online though, so I really don't know how it works. If EB was faking it, it doesn't make sense for him to fake only half of it and leave the math wrong on the other half when it would only take a few more seconds of fakery to accomplish.
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Unfortunately the reason most people get caught is because they didn't follow through on the fakery.
I suspect he just didn't do the math correctly and now has no choice but to bluster. The only other option is to admit he faked those logs.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: darkozQuote: TigerWuI find EB just as annoying as the next man, but what exactly are y'all trying to "debunk" here? I just tried skimming through this thread again, but it doesn't look like EB has made any nonsensical claims like he did in his other threads.... so far, what I've been able to figure out is that a) EB plays baccarat, and b) he bets the streaks. Did I miss where he claims to have "beaten" the game or has an 80% hit rate or some other impossible nonsense? He's even admitted that he loses multiple hands in a row sometimes. I mean, I can't believe I'm actually defending him, but what exactly is the issue with what he's saying about baccarat here? Like I said, I may have missed something....
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IMO he has made a worse claim than all his roulette claims.
He has posted what he claims is irrefutable evidence that he can and did win a session of Baccarat. That being a win/loss log.
And the win/loss log is not mathematically possible. I posted above the problem
Flatbetting $1:
He has $1 subtracted when he loses
And $2 added when he wins(minus commission)
He has made the ridiculous claim that the $2 represents his original wager being returned along with his profit but do the math yourself. That is an incorrect claim.
There can only be one explanation. I'm sorry but EB has posted a faked log.
IMO this is so serious because EB has made challenges in the past and if he is capable of gaffing results that could theoretically lead to someone on this forum being defrauded.
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I'm not accusing EB of faking the report. Indeed, I DON'T believe that the report is faked. There are no obvious photoshopping errors. But the report seems to my mind to be inconsistent with the play described. It seems to report 5 wagers, where 3 were lost and 2 were won, but with an overall session win of 90c
I've asked others to sanity check my observation and questions and I'll be delighted to have it explained to me how my observation is flawed.
I'm happy to accept that online casino game reports are indeed often flawed and I've not played this game, which is not available to me.
I've been asked if the report is of 5 wagers or 3 wagers, and I cannot, as yet see how it is anything but a report of 5 wagers.
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There is a way that I could have been wrong in my interpretation and where the log could be correct and reflecting three wagers.
IF for any wager placed, they log a debit event every time a wager is placed and they then log a secondary credit event IF the wager wins.
Thus the lower 1/5 of the report is one lost wager debit event: No second line entered
The fourth 1/5 of the report is the debit event of a second wager
The third 1/5 of the report is the credit event of a won wager
The second 1/5 of the report is the debit event of a third wager
The top 1/5 of the report is the credit event of the third wager.
That would be consistent. But It would be what my Mum would have described as a cockamamie way of reporting.
Anyhow. EvenBob is invited to respond wherein he can ridicule my non-expert interpretation of his wager log.
Quote: TigerWuEither EB is faking that log, or Playtech has a really weird, stupid way of doing it. It doesn't make any sense at all for EB to fake it the way it's presented, which is why I'm leaning towards it just being the way Playtech's "system" works. I've never gambled online though, so I really don't know how it works. If EB was faking it, it doesn't make sense for him to fake only half of it and leave the math wrong on the other half when it would only take a few more seconds of fakery to accomplish.
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Faking It, How would you fake it. How would you even do that. Playtech sucks, they are the worst online platform and their history page is really hard to read. Here's a picture again of the results and I circled the starting balance and at the top of the page I circled the ending balance which shows I made one unit. Whatever the crap in the middle is, I have no idea, all I know is my ending balance is higher than my starting balance which is all I'm looking for. I want someone to tell me how you would fake this, you just can't put whatever numbers you want in there it's not possible.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuEither EB is faking that log, or Playtech has a really weird, stupid way of doing it. It doesn't make any sense at all for EB to fake it the way it's presented, which is why I'm leaning towards it just being the way Playtech's "system" works. I've never gambled online though, so I really don't know how it works. If EB was faking it, it doesn't make sense for him to fake only half of it and leave the math wrong on the other half when it would only take a few more seconds of fakery to accomplish.
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Faking It, How would you fake it. How would you even do that. Playtech sucks, they are the worst online platform and their history page is really hard to read. Here's a picture again of the results and I circled the starting balance and at the top of the page I circled the ending balance which shows I made one unit. Whatever the crap in the middle is, I have no idea, all I know is my ending balance is higher than my starting balance which is all I'm looking for. I want someone to tell me how you would fake this, you just can't put whatever numbers you want in there it's not possible.
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When I'm playing I'm not keeping track of wins and losses all I'm doing is looking at the amount of money I have. When the amount gets to more than I had when I started I stop. That's what happened here, I was ahead so I quit. If it doesn't add up don't blame me blame those idiots at Playtech.
I concur with TigerWu that EB is not faking it, has not faked it, but that indeed, Playtech does have a really weird, stupid way of doing it.Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuEither EB is faking that log, or Playtech has a really weird, stupid way of doing it. It doesn't make any sense at all for EB to fake it the way it's presented, which is why I'm leaning towards it just being the way Playtech's "system" works. I've never gambled online though, so I really don't know how it works. If EB was faking it, it doesn't make sense for him to fake only half of it and leave the math wrong on the other half when it would only take a few more seconds of fakery to accomplish.
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Faking It, How would you fake it. How would you even do that. Playtech sucks, they are the worst online platform and their history page is really hard to read. Here's a picture again of the results and I circled the starting balance and at the top of the page I circled the ending balance which shows I made one unit. Whatever the crap in the middle is, I have no idea, all I know is my ending balance is higher than my starting balance which is all I'm looking for. I want someone to tell me how you would fake this, you just can't put whatever numbers you want in there it's not possible.
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But to answer EvenBob, it's pretty easy to modify or fabricate a wager log image with an ordinary image editor such as PhotoShop, GIMP, Paintshop or many others available. I don't believe anyone has done so in this case. EvenBob just showed that he can edit an image: He edited a couple of lines around the two values of interest. I don't know what image editing software he used to do that, but my editing software allows the editing to insert or modify text and numbers.
EvenBob, Would you please confirm that that report was for THREE wagers placed? Not FIVE.
Thanks in advance.
Many sites have a separate transaction for the Wager/Stake and the Win. Usually, the Win entry is omitted if there was no pay out. I don't want to get involved in this pointless thread and I don't play playtech, but this is how they do accounting at most online joints. These are even money bets. I stake $100 and Win $200 if I win.
For Blackjack, splits and doubles are posted on a separate Stake entry from the initial Stake. If you click on the Details link, you can usually see which game the Stake and Win refer to.
Quote: OnceDearI concur with TigerWu that EB is not faking it, has not faked it, but that indeed, Playtech does have a really weird, stupid way of doing it.Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuEither EB is faking that log, or Playtech has a really weird, stupid way of doing it. It doesn't make any sense at all for EB to fake it the way it's presented, which is why I'm leaning towards it just being the way Playtech's "system" works. I've never gambled online though, so I really don't know how it works. If EB was faking it, it doesn't make sense for him to fake only half of it and leave the math wrong on the other half when it would only take a few more seconds of fakery to accomplish.
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Faking It, How would you fake it. How would you even do that. Playtech sucks, they are the worst online platform and their history page is really hard to read. Here's a picture again of the results and I circled the starting balance and at the top of the page I circled the ending balance which shows I made one unit. Whatever the crap in the middle is, I have no idea, all I know is my ending balance is higher than my starting balance which is all I'm looking for. I want someone to tell me how you would fake this, you just can't put whatever numbers you want in there it's not possible.
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But to answer EvenBob, it's pretty easy to modify or fabricate a wager log image with an ordinary image editor such as PhotoShop, GIMP, Paintshop or many others available. I don't believe anyone has done so in this case. EvenBob just showed that he can edit an image: He edited a couple of lines around the two values of interest. I don't know what image editing software he used to do that, but my editing software allows the editing to insert or modify text and numbers.
EvenBob, Would you please confirm that that report was for THREE wagers placed? Not FIVE.
Thanks in advance.
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Three Wagers, where do you get three from. Looks like five to me. I don't remember how many it was cuz I'm not paying attention to that. All I look at is the starting total and the ending total that's all that concerns me. And if you know how to fake one of these good for you because I have no idea. I drew the circles with the pen that's on the side panel of my photo page.
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Many sites have a separate transaction for the Wager/Stake and the Win. Usually, the Win entry is omitted if there was no pay out. I don't want to get involved in this pointless thread and I don't play playtech, but this is how they do accounting at most online joints. These are even money bets. I stake $100 and Win $200 if I win.
For Blackjack, splits and doubles are posted on a separate Stake entry from the initial Stake. If you click on the Details link, you can usually see which game the Stake and Win refer to.
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And would each contest have identical reference numbers?
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Many sites have a separate transaction for the Wager/Stake and the Win. Usually, the Win entry is omitted if there was no pay out. I don't want to get involved in this pointless thread and I don't play playtech, but this is how they do accounting at most online joints. These are even money bets. I stake $100 and Win $200 if I win.
For Blackjack, splits and doubles are posted on a separate Stake entry from the initial Stake. If you click on the Details link, you can usually see which game the Stake and Win refer to.
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There is a details link on the page I posted but of course it's playtech so when I click on it an error message comes up. Do I need to take a picture of that to prove I'm not faking it? All this crap over a 90-cent win, unbelievable. But I said this would happen didn't I. When this first came up months ago I said when I start posting results people are going to pick at it and pick at it and pick at it and find nothing but fault and sure enough...
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Many sites have a separate transaction for the Wager/Stake and the Win. Usually, the Win entry is omitted if there was no pay out. I don't want to get involved in this pointless thread and I don't play playtech, but this is how they do accounting at most online joints. These are even money bets. I stake $100 and Win $200 if I win.
For Blackjack, splits and doubles are posted on a separate Stake entry from the initial Stake. If you click on the Details link, you can usually see which game the Stake and Win refer to.
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And would each contest have identical reference numbers?
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That's the shoe number, the game number so of course they're all going to be the same cuz they're from the same game. Duh
I don't think your screen grab is faked. Folks who don't play online do not realize how accounting is done. I am defending EB here.Quote: EvenBobThere is a details link on the page I posted but of course it's playtech so when I click on it an error message comes up. Do I need to take a picture of that to prove I'm not faking it? All this crap over a 90-cent win, unbelievable. But I said this would happen didn't I. When this first came up months ago I said when I start posting results people are going to pick at it and pick at it and pick at it and find nothing but fault and sure enough...
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If the wager is placed today and the game is not completed until tomorrow, the casino still needs to create an entry for the wager when it is placed and then create another entry when the bet is resolved. I had a bonus round recently that took 57 minutes to play. I timed out and logged back in three times before the bonus round was over. The casino cannot and will not wait to log the wager/stake until the game resolves. I have lost power and come back to games several days later. Things are different in B&M casinos versus online where a single game can be in play for weeks.
Given that we are reviewing a claim that EB has won one dollar, why are people attempting to do forensics on the gambling record he has posted to see if it is fabricated? Does anyone else think this is an absurd waste of time?
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Three Wagers, where do you get three from. Looks like five to me.
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Thank EB. I saw it as 5 wagers. You see it as 5 wagers. Seems we must both be wrong.
I see it as lose 3 win 2. You see it as?????
Well, I think we can agree that any error in interpretation would be understandable.
I've already explained how I now see that it could be a report of three wagers. It can't be a report of 5 wagers.
User Mental has indicated the same sort of cockamamie reporting at his online gaff.
Panic over. Still nothing to see here.
And Yes. I could easily fake the report, and I don't think you could or have.
Quote: gordonm888This is a miserable thread. I see no evidence that EB is claiming anything other than that he won one dollar after a few hands of bacarrat. If EB has claimed that the record he has posted is irrevocable proof of anything (which DarkOZ has claimed) than I missed that post.
Given that we are reviewing a claim that EB has won one dollar, why are people attempting to do forensics on the gambling record he has posted to see if it is fabricated? Does anyone else think this is an absurd waste of time?
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Actually he changed that claim. Now he says this is all a record of play for free. He hasn't even won a single dollar
Above is the separate wager and payout 57 minutes apart from a single game I played at another site. Is the casino supposed to wait 57 minutes to create a log entry for a $22.50 financial transaction?
Quote: MentalCockamamie reporting? Don't you want the casino to log your wager immediately in case something happens before you are paid out. I get logged out dozens of times a day for PLC failures and other reasons. I want my wager logged right away. Then, if I split a hand of BJ, I want my second wager logged right away. If I take an hour to decide to hit or stand, my prior action is logged and the cards already dealt to me and the dealer are also logged. The only thing confusing about the playtech log is that they are not labeled Wager and Win, but the positive and negative amounts should make that clear to anyone.
Above is the separate wager and payout 57 minutes apart from a single game I played at another site. Is the casino supposed to wait 57 minutes to create a log entry for a $22.50 financial transaction?
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Okay. I will concede the point until further evidence presents itself.
Even though someone certainly doesn't have an option to wait 57 minutes to play a live game of Baccarat.
However if that is the way the online wagers are made let's move on. I defer to other people with more experience in the matter.
The duplicate contest reference numbers for multiple transactions still has me suspicious.
Quote: EvenBobThat's the shoe number, the game number so of course they're all going to be the same cuz they're from the same game. Duh
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Again, I have to defend EB here. This looks like a game identifier. To see the transaction identifier, you probably need to expand the detail link. Showing the transaction ID would make it easy for the casino to quickly identify the account. I hope EB does not post transaction IDs without obscuring them. Nobody should make it easy to dox themselves.
Quote: MentalQuote: EvenBobThat's the shoe number, the game number so of course they're all going to be the same cuz they're from the same game. Duh
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Again, I have to defend EB here. This looks like a game identifier. To see the transaction identifier, you probably need to expand the detail link. Showing the transaction ID would make it easy for the casino to quickly identify the account. I hope EB does not post transaction IDs without obscuring them. Nobody should make it easy to dox themselves.
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In that case I will openly apologize to EB for the current accusations.
Although I still do not endorse or believe his claims of winning off educated guesses and whatnot.
You're either just going to have to take my word for it or not. Here's the thing, some of you think I'm a great big liar and I make everything up when to me it's laughable because I don't make anything up. Everything I say is true now and in the past. If you choose not to believe that, oh well, that's your problem. Do not listen to me, do not read my posts, do not comment. Just block me. Why would you want to deal with somebody who you don't trust to that degree.
I agree with Gordon on this. This is going to be a miserable thread if it's just a Witch Hunt trying to figure out how I'm cheating. If that's your intention, if you trust nothing I say what will happen is I will stop responding to you and I will not defend it cuz I don't have time and you'll just be talking to yourself.
Quote: MentalQuote: EvenBobThat's the shoe number, the game number so of course they're all going to be the same cuz they're from the same game. Duh
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Again, I have to defend EB here. This looks like a game identifier. To see the transaction identifier, you probably need to expand the detail link. Showing the transaction ID would make it easy for the casino to quickly identify the account. I hope EB does not post transaction IDs without obscuring them. Nobody should make it easy to dox themselves.
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Like I said when you click on the detail link an error message comes up. Playtech really sucks, their whole setup for their games are Mickey Mouse, cheap, they offer very little in the way of extras. Like they really scrimped on creating the software to make it as Bare Bones as possible.
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Actually he changed that claim. Now he says this is all a record of play for free. He hasn't even won a single dollar
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Siding wth EB for once. This is down to the meaning of 'Real money' which I take here as meaning significant money.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: darkoz
Actually he changed that claim. Now he says this is all a record of play for free. He hasn't even won a single dollar
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Siding wth EB for once. This is down to the meaning of 'Real money' which I take here as meaning significant money.
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Someone check to see if hell has frozen over, as there are multiple people in this thread (myself included) defending EvenBob...LOL
Quote: OnceDearQuote: darkoz
Actually he changed that claim. Now he says this is all a record of play for free. He hasn't even won a single dollar
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Siding wth EB for once. This is down to the meaning of 'Real money' which I take here as meaning significant money.
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Well, I am just a cheap bastard. If I am playing for one dollar it's for real. ;)
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Quote: TigerWuSomeone check to see if hell has frozen over, as there are multiple people in this thread (myself included) defending EvenBob...LOL
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Defend the poster, not the post :o)
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What was the purpose of this thread, with it's long introductory post?
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I'm not calling you a liar, BUT THAT'S A COMPLETE LIE.Quote: EvenBob
You're either just going to have to take my word for it or not. Here's the thing, some of you think I'm a great big liar and I make everything up when to me it's laughable because I don't make anything up. Everything I say is true now and in the past.
You started your posting career here with a LIE. You even doubled, tripled, quadrupled, quintupled, sextupled, septupled, octupled+++ on your now BIG FAT LIE.
You took the time to make up elaborate LIES to make your FAKE friend seem legitimate over multiple posts. You answered questions about your friend with multiple LIES.
You even played a sockpuppet-like contrarian saying stuff like this
There seems to be a gap in the timeline, so I don't know how many years your lie-filled forum con went on for, or if it spread to other threads. There's much more, I suggested people go read ALL your LIES for themselves.Quote: EvenBobHow can I prove he wins, I have no idea how he does it. Nor do I want to know!
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He hasn't got a computer, I doubt if he ever will, hates the things. I have to call him to talk, imagine that. Its so antiquated.
Quote: EvenBob He's lived in Vegas since the 70's.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm not calling you a liar, BUT THAT'S A COMPLETE LIE.Quote: EvenBob
I don't make anything up. Everything I say is true now and in the past.
You started your posting career here with a LIE. You even doubled, tripled, quadrupled, quintupled, sextupled, septupled, octupled+++ on your now BIG FAT LIE. link to original post
Oh dear. I'm glad I;m not a moderator here anymore.
EvenBob has told at least one lie in this forum. He fabricated a 'friend' with all sorts of characteristics and later he admitted that he had done so. He tacitly admitted it.
That makes AW's attack on the post seem fair and appropriate.
The assertion by EvenBob quoted herein is not true. I think it qualifies either as a lie or a serious lapse of memory on his part.
Quote: OnceDear
The assertion by EvenBob quoted herein is not true. I think it qualifies either as a lie or a serious lapse of memory on his part.
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I totally forgot about that but I don't consider that a lie anyway, I was trying to get away with pretending to be somebody else because I didn't want them to know that I was the person from the other forum. That lasted about 10 minutes. But if you want to take that one incident that I've already explained and take it to mean that everything else I've ever posted is a lie, goody for you. If I'm such a liar why don't you just quit responding to me all the time, it gets really old. Do you know how I treat people I know that are lying both online and in real life? I have nothing to do with them because it's pointless. There's nothing worse than a liar because you can't trust them and you can't deal with people you can't trust.
I'm certain it isn't/should not be suspension worthy, but I understand if that truth knife cut hard.Quote: OnceDearQuote: AxelWolfI'm not calling you a liar, BUT THAT'S A COMPLETE LIE.Quote: EvenBob
I don't make anything up. Everything I say is true now and in the past.
You started your posting career here with a LIE. You even doubled, tripled, quadrupled, quintupled, sextupled, septupled, octupled+++ on your now BIG FAT LIE. link to original post
Oh dear. I'm glad I;m not a moderator here anymore.
EvenBob has told at least one lie in this forum. He fabricated a 'friend' with all sorts of characteristics and later he admitted that he had done so. He tacitly admitted it.
That makes AW's attack on the post seem fair and appropriate.
The assertion by EvenBob quoted herein is not true. I think it qualifies either as a lie or a serious lapse of memory on his part.
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As some people may already know, I had an extreme Fishing RV adventure in Washington State outside Seattle near Leavenworth. No BS lake and simple shore fishing(I did a little of that). I was rock climbing to get to spots, Swimming, wading, crossing white water, to get to spots, fishing off of cliffs, Fallen trees etc. I had some scary close calls.
Unfortunately, I injured my ribs badly on the last night of my adventure. It was Hell traveling back home and that made it worst. Any movement, coughing, sneezing, etc was extremely painful. I have been just propped up in bed doing very little since I got back. It gets a little better each day so I won't be spending much time here.
Other than that we had an incredible time. Perhaps I will post some pictures.
If the Mods feel they have to unjustly suspend me to make it look good and set a precedent, I won't make a stink especially since the timing will suit me.
You adessed it not to long ago.Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
The assertion by EvenBob quoted herein is not true. I think it qualifies either as a lie or a serious lapse of memory on his part.
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I totally forgot about that but I don't consider that a lie anyway, I was trying to get away with pretending to be somebody else because I didn't want them to know that I was the person from the other forum. That lasted about 10 minutes. But if you want to take that one incident that I've already explained and take it to mean that everything else I've ever posted is a lie, goody for you. If I'm such a liar why don't you just quit responding to me all the time, it gets really old. Do you know how I treat people I know that are lying both online and in real life? I have nothing to do with them because it's pointless. There's nothing worse than a liar because you can't trust them and you can't deal with people you can't trust.
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It lasted much longer than 10 minutes.
It's good to know that you don't consider making up a fake person with a bunch of lies, in order to cover a lie, is lying. 👍👍👍
Quote: AxelWolfYou adessed it not to long ago.Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
The assertion by EvenBob quoted herein is not true. I think it qualifies either as a lie or a serious lapse of memory on his part.
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I totally forgot about that but I don't consider that a lie anyway, I was trying to get away with pretending to be somebody else because I didn't want them to know that I was the person from the other forum. That lasted about 10 minutes. But if you want to take that one incident that I've already explained and take it to mean that everything else I've ever posted is a lie, goody for you. If I'm such a liar why don't you just quit responding to me all the time, it gets really old. Do you know how I treat people I know that are lying both online and in real life? I have nothing to do with them because it's pointless. There's nothing worse than a liar because you can't trust them and you can't deal with people you can't trust.
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It lasted much longer than 10 minutes.
It's good to know that you don't consider making up a fake person with a bunch of lies, in order to cover a lie, is lying. 👍👍👍
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No I didn't, you're wrong. People outed me as Spike from the other Forum almost immediately. Damn I get sick of correcting you all the time it's like a full-time job. I fooled nobody. And it was not a lie. It's like when you go into your psychiatrist office and you tell him that you have a friend that has a problem when the friend is really you. That's what I was doing pretending I had a friend but it didn't work everybody knew it was me 13 years ago. Go back and read that thread you'll see how long it lasted. I've got nothing done with baccarat today because all I've done is is waste all my time on this baloney. Thanks for nothing.
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It doesn't work it doesn't give me the details. But when I go to a baccarat session from 2 days ago and click on the link I get the details. What this tells me is something's wrong with that session that I played the one we've been talking about all day. It won't let me link to the details because it made a mistake. At least that's what I'm thinking is the only explanation.
Here are the roulette results.
It doesn't matter if people from a different forum weren't fooled or lied to many people here didn't know about Spike. How long before you fessed up here? You absolutely fooled people here as is obvious by the back-and-forth conversation. People took the time to give advice, and warnings, and learn more about the situation.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfYou adessed it not to long ago.Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
The assertion by EvenBob quoted herein is not true. I think it qualifies either as a lie or a serious lapse of memory on his part.
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I totally forgot about that but I don't consider that a lie anyway, I was trying to get away with pretending to be somebody else because I didn't want them to know that I was the person from the other forum. That lasted about 10 minutes. But if you want to take that one incident that I've already explained and take it to mean that everything else I've ever posted is a lie, goody for you. If I'm such a liar why don't you just quit responding to me all the time, it gets really old. Do you know how I treat people I know that are lying both online and in real life? I have nothing to do with them because it's pointless. There's nothing worse than a liar because you can't trust them and you can't deal with people you can't trust.
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It lasted much longer than 10 minutes.
It's good to know that you don't consider making up a fake person with a bunch of lies, in order to cover a lie, is lying. 👍👍👍
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No I didn't, you're wrong. People outed me as Spike from the other Forum almost immediately. Damn I get sick of correcting you all the time it's like a full-time job. I fooled nobody. And it was not a lie. It's like when you go into your psychiatrist office and you tell him that you have a friend that has a problem when the friend is really you. That's what I was doing pretending I had a friend but it didn't work everybody knew it was me 13 years ago. Go back and read that thread you'll see how long it lasted. I've got nothing done with baccarat today because all I've done is is waste all my time on this baloney. Thanks for nothing.
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No, it's not like going into your psychiatrist's office and you tell him that you have a friend that has a problem.
You are lying to and fooling hundreds/thousands of people who are not expecting it, people who were trying to help answer questions, and you. Meanwhile, you're making it difficult for them by continually making up new lies about the situation. You go into a good amount of detail with your lied-filled ruse.
A psychiatrist knows and expects someone might claim they have a friend with a problem. Even then, one might say they have a friend with a specific problem and then explain what that real problem is. But there's no need to make up a bunch of untrue things about your friend/yourself.
Why did you claim your friend lives in Vegas?
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There must be more to what he's doing, then. He really doesn't talk about it much. He's got to be 67 or 68 now and has been playing BJ and roulette in Vegas for 30 years. Thats all he does for money, I have no idea how much he makes a month. He claims he's met other roulette players in Vegas who do what he does, but not many. He says I could do it if I wanted to practice for a few years. No thanks.
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Now, that's a lie. No one in his right mind would refuse
Again, read my first posts. He said it would take a couple years of practice and I said no thanks. Years? get real.
(It seems as if you lied when someone called out what seems to be BS
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How can I prove he wins, I have no idea how he does it. Nor do I want to know!
Here you lied again when asked a question.
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Quote: Nareed
fine, fine. Can you send your friend my email address?
Quote: EvenBob He hasn't got a computer, I doubt if he ever will, hates the things. I have to call him to talk, imagine that. Its so antiquated.
Because he doesn't have a computer? Lots of old guys don't have computers, it means nothing. He tried it once and didn't like it. I know a guy who's 74 an has had one for 8 years and all he can do is email. He's terrified of it, its hilarious to watch him use it. He's afraid he'll break it, so he reads hs email once a day and leaves it alone.
