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January 18th, 2022 at 7:51:54 PM permalink
Quote: Isitgambling

My understanding is the original forum owner has verified MDawg has found a way to consistently beat the casinos but isnít allowed for good reasons to disclose his methods.
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I believe your understanding to be at least partially incorrect.

There is a difference between "winning" and "beating a game".
May the cards fall in your favor.
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January 18th, 2022 at 8:18:00 PM permalink
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People continue to give Christopher a $1000 to join his inter circle and fly to Vegas to meet up with him on this birthday to shower him with gifts. So no the onus isnít on him. His lifestyle and followers prove he is successful regardless of what you wish to claim.



Um, yeahÖproves nothing. Maybe they just like the guy and want to spend time with him. People pony up money to share the table with craps players/teachers. Doesnít mean they have a way of beating the game. One look at his video and I hear carnival barker looking for his next dupe. PT Barnum was right. Christopher Mitchell is also an ex porn actorÖ.LOL. Seems very credible thatís heís now offering how to beat casinos. Please donít tell me you fell for his schtick?

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Are you also saying itís on MDawg and Marcus to prove what they are claiming?


Yes. But I concede itís likely impossible to prove.

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My understanding is the original forum owner has verified MDawg has found a way to consistently beat the casinos but isnít allowed for good reasons to disclose his methods.


Thatís just not true per my understanding. There is an easy way to win more times than you lose. Based on a previous post, it seems there may be a martingale system at work. Keep buying in for bigger and bigger and making bigger bets to try and overcome losses. I believe that was verified in a post (see link). Anyone can set up a system to win 9 in 10 sessions and look like a miracle worker with a 90% win rate. Itís still a negative expectation.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/16/#post833908

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And he has taught a limited amount of others to do the same including Marcus


There is no system to beat baccarat.

Oh, and by the wayÖChristopher Mitchellís ďsystemĒ for guaranteeing you to beat the casinos is nothing more than a martingale. He doubles every bet on a loss. Great system. Smh. The dude looks and sounds like a classic scam artist too.

Here, you are better off watching this than his videos.

https://youtu.be/GBspkFipfdg
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lilredrooster
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January 19th, 2022 at 1:40:40 AM permalink
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OnceDear,

I understand your hatred towards myself,




cry baby cry


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"𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘭𝘧 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳"______Edgar Allan Poe
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January 19th, 2022 at 1:57:20 AM permalink
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I may [or may not] have been here before. My statement is I am a new user who just found this forum.

You know the rules here. I am allowed to not believe you, and I don't, but I'm not allowed to call you a liar.
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But I will ask if you personally can prove Christopher isnít a long term winner with his strategy?

The old 'prove a negative chestnut': He makes a living out of promoting his rubbish. That pretty obviously gives him a decent income. Who's going to pay me to debunk him?
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And can you prove MDawg and his protege arenít up hundreds of thousands with their undisclosed methods?

Why would I even try? I'm not paid to investigate such claims, nor the paranormal, nor whether the earth is flat or that the moon-landings were staged. You can waste your life on your beliefs and I can waste mine on mine. From time to time, we members bounce opinions around. Simple concept.
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Both are allowed to claim they win more than they lose so why would you recommend someone not reach out to them if looking to win?

They can indeed claim to have the Holy Grail. Doesn't mean I have to endorse them.
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... you come off as someone not believing players can win in the short term if they hit and run.

Hit and run is not a winning strategy in any meaningful way.
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Christopher Mitchell who lives a millionaire lifestyle proves you wrong. As do MDawg and Marcus.
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They prove nothing.
Quote: Isitgambling

My understanding is the original forum owner has verified MDawg has found a way to consistently beat the casinos but isnít allowed for good reasons to disclose his methods. And he has taught a limited amount of others to do the same including Marcus. Thus the original poster has a valid question that can only be answered if others wish to disclose their methods to him.
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Your understanding is wrong. your statement of it is a misrepresentation.
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
lilredrooster
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OnceDearMission146
January 19th, 2022 at 2:22:10 AM permalink
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it's very obvious that there are quite a few posters here trying to push the forum towards accepting some version of the martingale as being a valuable and winning method not just for the short term but for the long term

the forum is lucky that a great many here know for a fact that this is false and indicate so in their posts

but that could change - and very soon

this forum could soon be overwhelmed with martingale or pattern deducing gamblers dreaming that they and fraudulent youtubers either are or are destined to be long term winners of huge bucks

a very sad situation if that does happen

the posters here should all be grateful to OnceDear and Mission and Dieter and TDVegas and Axel and some others who continually bat down this nonsense

I'm surprised and grateful they're haven't become tired of it all and haven't stopped posting


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"𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘭𝘧 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳"______Edgar Allan Poe
odiousgambit
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January 19th, 2022 at 2:47:11 AM permalink
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Um, yeahÖproves nothing. Maybe they just like the guy and want to spend time with him. People pony up money to share the table with craps players/teachers. Doesnít mean they have a way of beating the game. One look at his video and I hear carnival barker looking for his next dupe. PT Barnum was right. Christopher Mitchell is also an ex porn actorÖ.LOL... link to original post

oh, man, Isitgambling has set himself up for some ribbing now! what could it be that attracts him to Mr. Mitchell LOL.

Carnival barker, yes, you're onto something here too!

I hope Isitgambling doesn't watch this video, you'd soon hear " ooh, wow, a Sea Witch! And ancient secrets revealed! Ooh!"

the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: ďThanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!Ē She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
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January 19th, 2022 at 4:06:19 AM permalink
I once read that forums and fish have one thing in common, they both rot from the head down.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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January 19th, 2022 at 4:46:22 AM permalink
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I once read that forums and fish have one thing in common.....
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OUCH, Bill.
I invite you to rethink that post.
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
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January 19th, 2022 at 7:38:11 AM permalink
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I may [or may not] have been here before. My statement is I am a new user who just found this forum.

But I will ask if you personally can prove Christopher isnít a long term winner with his strategy? And can you prove MDawg and his protege arenít up hundreds of thousands with their undisclosed methods?

Both are allowed to claim they win more than they lose so why would you recommend someone not reach out to them if looking to win? They may not share their methods but you come off as someone not believing players can win in the short term if they hit and run.

Christopher Mitchell who lives a millionaire lifestyle proves you wrong. As do MDawg and Marcus.
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That's not how it works; you're the one who is either making or implying a positive claim, so the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate the potential veracity, if not outright prove, that claim.

In any event, one key difference between Mitchell and MDawg is that MDawg doesn't seem to be selling anything. I should like to think if anyone could prove he was doing so, not just here, but anywhere, that he would be gone.

Also, who argues that someone cannot win in the short-term? It's always amusing when people wander along putting arguments in our mouths that we never made. If you can present a system, call it a, 'Strategy,' if you prefer and it follows some sort of mechanical rules, then many of us here could give you a rough estimation, if not a precise answer, as to the probability of being ahead after a particular number of attempts.

MarcusClark, by his own words, works in security for a casino that, I believe, he said is in the Midwest. He has also made claims as to his bankroll. Nothing that MarcusClark has ever said would lead me to the conclusion that he lives a, "Millionaire lifestyle," and I'd be surprised to see him make that claim.

As far as the others, I'd have no idea what sort of lifestyle they live other than MDawg has posted some pictures that would lead one to the conclusion that he lives an affluent lifestyle, and I certainly have no cause to disbelieve that. That you would assume such lifestyle comes entirely from their gambling is an interesting assumption to make, especially since, as we know, a non-zero amount of whatever money Mitchell has comes from selling his systems.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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January 19th, 2022 at 7:43:59 AM permalink
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People continue to give Christopher a $1000 to join his inter circle and fly to Vegas to meet up with him on this birthday to shower him with gifts. So no the onus isnít on him. His lifestyle and followers prove he is successful regardless of what you wish to claim.



Can't you at least make a good argument? If enough people gave me $1,000 for nothing, then I would also have a lot of money.

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Are you also saying itís on MDawg and Marcus to prove what they are claiming? It appears the jealousy of players who have proven the short term can win big outweighs the long term odds people here and they are bitter. My understanding is the original forum owner has verified MDawg has found a way to consistently beat the casinos but isnít allowed for good reasons to disclose his methods. And he has taught a limited amount of others to do the same including Marcus. Thus the original poster has a valid question that can only be answered if others wish to disclose their methods to him.
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Well, it was eventually put on MDawg to demonstrate at least some aspects of his claims, which he did successfully---but not to the extent of proving that he is playing with an expectation of profit. That said, and crucially, MDawg is not selling anything.

As far as MarcusClark goes, he hasn't proven any of his claims, but nobody is in a position to demand he do so. For my part, I am neither richer nor poorer as a result of MarcusClark's claims being true or untrue, so as long as he isn't selling anything, I don't really care.

Again, can you point to anyone who specifically denies that someone can have an actual result of profit in the short-term? Anyone who would deny such a thing has just a poor of understanding as to gambling math as those who believe that systems can be expected to result in long-term winning.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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