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AlanMendelson
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September 26th, 2022 at 12:26:00 AM permalink
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Circa does have a nice high energy vibe. And their tables are always good for a small touch, if you know what you are doing.




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Thanks for the photos of the tables.
Mdawg a question please.

If you were SITTING in the CENTER SEAT of any of those tables could you view the cards in play at either the table on your left or the table on the right?

In other words, if you were a card counter, could you count two tables simultaneously?
Seedvalue
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September 26th, 2022 at 12:39:55 AM permalink
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Circa does have a nice high energy vibe. And their tables are always good for a small touch, if you know what you are doing.




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Thanks for the photos of the tables.
Mdawg a question please.

If you were SITTING in the CENTER SEAT of any of those tables could you view the cards in play at either the table on your left or the table on the right?

In other words, if you were a card counter, could you count two tables simultaneously?
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I will answer No you canít accurately. Attempting to do so is just fancy play syndrome IMO. Pointless

However Teams do utilize back-counters who will single to someone to sit or Wong in when the count is good.
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September 26th, 2022 at 12:43:03 AM permalink
We gambling go for the 20k to 30k.
cwwbjr
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September 26th, 2022 at 4:06:33 AM permalink
Slow and steady wins the race.
Money vs Time at table and favorability of shoes will vary.
Say at $100 min to $20K max bet table using $1000 as minimum starting bet, expect minimum average take of 5 units per shoe at private table at your own pace for 3 shoes under 3 hours easily netting $15K day is a sweet spot with minimum risk of blowout. KDP knowledge, discipline, patience.
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September 26th, 2022 at 9:18:20 AM permalink
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Slow and steady wins the race.
Money vs Time at table and favorability of shoes will vary.
Say at $100 min to $20K max bet table using $1000 as minimum starting bet, expect minimum average take of 5 units per shoe at private table at your own pace for 3 shoes under 3 hours easily netting $15K day is a sweet spot with minimum risk of blowout. KDP knowledge, discipline, patience.
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I think 5 units average per shoe is too much. Almost imposiblle in the long run. 1-1.5 units per shoe is more realistic. In long sessions you can play arround 20 shoes per day, thats 20%-30% of your bankroll every day, insane numbers I know, mostly in Baccarat that is a -EV game for almost all the people here, but for me at least it´s clearily that MDawg have some kind of edge and he can do that numbers in the long run.
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September 26th, 2022 at 9:37:03 AM permalink
It does of course depend on the shoe. On a recent session I won about $6K in in just a small number of hands, pressing on side by side 7 Bank, 7 Player runs. Barely betting, but the runs came right in the beginning of the shoe. Right after the runs, I free handed a few, saw that shoe wasn't running that way any longer, and left. On such occasions no advantage is needed, which my advantage comes up only every now and then not of course on every hand or anything close.

For that shoe, winning $6K was underbetting.

On another session, same day, with difficulty I won just a couple K, over the course of 3 shoes. On that session, the only reason I won was I was able to use a large bet on an advantage hand, to get back to even, after being slowly ground down. On that session, a couple K was about all that was available unless I had simply not bet at all until that certain hand came up, which isn't really an option when playing alone, to free hand dozens and dozens of hands in a row.
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September 26th, 2022 at 9:57:28 AM permalink
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Circa does have a nice high energy vibe. And their tables are always good for a small touch, if you know what you are doing.
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Thanks for the photos of the tables.
Mdawg a question please.

If you were SITTING in the CENTER SEAT of any of those tables could you view the cards in play at either the table on your left or the table on the right?

In other words, if you were a card counter, could you count two tables simultaneously?
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I actually don't play out there at Circa, but in high limit there is a double deck at the end of the oval, with a six deck shoe next to it, set up like this.


The layout has changed, there are no longer Baccarat tables up against the far wall, there are two of them side by side next to the table I marked "Baccarat," but the Double Deck and Shoe Blackjack games are set up the same, with approximately that distance between them.

I have played that Double Deck table and while playing it, if I am the only player, which I would normally be and ask the table to be reserved for me, and I am seated on the seat closest to the shoe table, if the other player were all the way to the left, I could see what was going on, but, even with very sharp eyes which I have perfect vision, still, on some cards I'd be able to figure the value from the dots but not necessarily see them perfectly. Also, I'd have to keep turning to the right to look over my shoulder.

And then, if I were sitting in the middle of the DD table, I would not have to turn my head so much as my eyes, but I would be farther away and if the player were seated all the way to the left, he might block my view some.

None of this discussion matters if the casino in question does not allow mid shoe entry.

I suppose I would look as much to the person saying this as to the claimed act. If the person claiming this were someone with inconsistent stories who had lied constantly on the forums, I'd discount whatever that person had to say, and assume was just talking about something read about in books. There are probably different people making claims, again, I'd look to the person.

At a different casino, Palms, in high limit if I stand up at the Baccarat table and look to the right at the double deck,


and again the layout has changed this is the old high limit room, but I have marked where the Bacc is and a double deck table is, if I stand up at the Bacc table I can see the cards running next door at Blackjack, but still on some cards I'll have to calculate based on the dots won't be able to see the numbers easily.

I actually did that the other day and was going to jump in for some hands, but didn't bother.

Much easier, as mentioned by SeedValue, is to just stand behind the table and count and then jump in. I have done that before just stand there counting and then jumped in with a single table limit bet, which actually ended up being a double down, and won. But again, no mid shoe entry, and none of that counting from a distance matters.

You see the thing about that "jumping in with one bet" deal, is that some casinos welcome the shot takers who drift in and take a shot, and unless they see a pattern where the same person always takes a shot at the exact same time, that person could get away with it almost indefinitely. Plus he's not going to win every time anyway.
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September 26th, 2022 at 10:20:47 AM permalink
Of course no one can tell you how much to bet without knowing the nature of your advantage! It sounds like your advantage varies from Ďnoneí to Ďa lotí. Also, how much Ďcoverí do you think you need? Meaning if, letís say, your advantage is ĎI know the first player card is a 9í with a pretty big advantage betting on player, if youíve been betting $200 and now all of a sudden you bet $10k does that bring you heat? When you are winning 2/3 of your big bets consistently over the years?
If you had a defined edge, like 1% each hand somehow, then the Kelly criterion could easily guide you on how much to bet.

If your advantage uses loss rebates, it gets a bit more complicated.
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September 26th, 2022 at 10:22:45 AM permalink
Baccarat provides its own cover because no one thinks that it is possible to win at it long term. Just keep moving around enough, and that too helps.

But there are a couple of casinos talking about reigning in the "concessions" based on that I am a lifetime winner.

Every now and then I switch to playing nothing but Blackjack for a few weeks, and that throws them off too.
Of course with Blackjack everyone playing with an Advantage is doing the same thing, so they are looking for just one angle. Which helps me too.
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September 26th, 2022 at 10:30:50 AM permalink
If you're getting hard 12s and 13s all night, doesn't matter what the Blackjack count is. You'll probably lose.

Similarly, if you walk into a 20 Bank run, you don't need any advantage to win. Just the discipline to get up and leave after the run.

In Baccarat, my advantage is key, when it matters the most, not when it matters the least.
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