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September 13th, 2021 at 12:16:28 PM permalink
"Bird" is a little dismissive, and perhaps dated (from as far back as 1915, but exploded into use in the 1960s) but I think it's a cultural thing, and a Brit or Aussie might refer to his girlfriend as a "top bird" without intending offense.
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September 13th, 2021 at 12:16:50 PM permalink
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And, as far as people watching, go to Cosmopolitan, Wynn/Encore (especially on weekends), or Venetian/Palazzo and you'll see a number of very watch worthy scantily dressed girls walk on by, such that you really have to control yourself to avoid walking up and saying HI!

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    September 13th, 2021 at 12:21:48 PM permalink
    Quote: MDawg

    "Bird" is a little dismissive, and perhaps dated (from as far back as 1915, but exploded into use in the 1960s) but I think it's a cultural thing, and a Brit or Aussie might refer to his girlfriend as a "top bird" without intending offense.

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    I have no doubt some Brits refer to their girls as birds, but I doubt they do it to their face. I've never had an Australian friend. Had a friend, and a family unit that moved there but they never came back.
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    September 13th, 2021 at 12:21:56 PM permalink
    Quote: MDawg

    "Bird" is a little dismissive, and perhaps dated (from as far back as 1915, but exploded into use in the 1960s) but I think it's a cultural thing, and a Brit or Aussie might refer to his girlfriend as a "top bird" without intending offense.

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    I suppose the, 'Problem,' such as one may or may not exist, with expressions such as these is that there are those who perceive them as automatically offensive.

    After that, you get into the whole question of whether it is how a word is taken or the intent of the speaker that matters.

    I tend to think that speakers very rarely have nefarious intent, even less so in the context of casual conversation, but then the other side may argue that the problem is that the terms are both dismissive AND used casually.

    I don't have a, 'Side,' on this particular issue. My tendency is just to think people speak how they speak and another person can associate with the speaker, or not, accordingly. Semi-forced (think workplace) association is a bit different, but for a setting such as this, I don't see it as much of a problem. If you don't like a word someone uses, then just don't talk to that person, or block them, whichever. I don't think there's any absolute protection from ALL words that one may find objectionable, even on a tightly moderated forum.
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    September 13th, 2021 at 12:25:37 PM permalink
    Quote: Mission146

    I suppose the, 'Problem,' such as one may or may not exist, with expressions such as these is that there are those who perceive them as automatically offensive.

    After that, you get into the whole question of whether it is how a word is taken or the intent of the speaker that matters.

    I tend to think that speakers very rarely have nefarious intent, even less so in the context of casual conversation, but then the other side may argue that the problem is that the terms are both dismissive AND used casually.

    I don't have a, 'Side,' on this particular issue. My tendency is just to think people speak how they speak and another person can associate with the speaker, or not, accordingly. Semi-forced (think workplace) association is a bit different, but for a setting such as this, I don't see it as much of a problem. If you don't like a word someone uses, then just don't talk to that person, or block them, whichever. I don't think there's any absolute protection from ALL words that one may find objectionable, even on a tightly moderated forum.

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    well i finally agree with you here, 146.
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    September 13th, 2021 at 12:40:51 PM permalink
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    I tend to agree.

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    btw dieter, i think i should have started this thread as a blog. it's probably worth considering moving it there, as this essentially is a blog.
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    September 13th, 2021 at 12:47:04 PM permalink
    Quote: Wellbush

    Quote: Dieter

    I tend to agree.

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    btw dieter, i think i should have started this thread as a blog. it's probably worth considering moving it there, as this essentially is a blog.
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    We are not able to move forum posts to the blog side, as far as I know.

    I think it would be OK to copy and paste, should you care to maintain narrative coherence.

    As the thread has otherwise gone to the birds, I'm going to push the closed button for now.
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    September 13th, 2021 at 1:08:17 PM permalink
    I have heard it said that poker games in Macau are different than in the U.S. because many Asian poker players "like to gamble." I don't consider that as a racist statement, it's a statement about observed culture that is relevant to achieving higher performance in a Macau poker game.

    I know that many young professional poker players like to play aggressively against opponents who are over 50 years old, re-raising their pre-flop raises and betting aggressively on the post-flop and turn, because they feel that older people are risk-averse and are more likely to fold a good hand. I don't think that statement is age-ism, and if you're over 50 and are unaware of how younger pros play against older amateurs than you are going to lose more money than you should.

    I don't think that Wellbush's comments about the cohort of Asian women gamblers that he studied/saw playing at his casino are either racist or misogynist: he is simply reporting what he sees.
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    September 13th, 2021 at 8:57:52 PM permalink
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    i did notice something that has shown itself the few times i've been to casinos...Asians. mainly Asian women. they come and they play at table games, and they got money! i could be wrong but i think most of them are addicted.

    obviously for Asian women, it's a cultural thing...gambling.

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    I don't think that Wellbush's comments about the cohort of Asian women gamblers that he studied/saw playing at his casino are either racist or misogynist: he is simply reporting what he sees.

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    I would have expected more from an Administrator of a forum that is supposed to espouse the values of math and logic.

    Making judgments on people solely based on their ethnic or gender identity is the definition of racism and sexism. The judgment criteria does not even need to be negative. You can say "Asians are very good at math, so that's why they win at casinos", and that would be a racist statement. By doing so, you would have taken away someone's humanity, and reduced them to a basic stereotype. Asians are no longer human beings with individual agency, but merely expressions of their assigned social group.

    Such a statement would also reveal an incredible degree of laziness and/or ignorance. People of Asian descent make up around 60% of the world's population, and are made up of groups with cultures that are as diverse as those in any other continent in the world. Yet, in this thread, certain qualities are imbued onto all Asians based on a few casual observations of a few individuals in casinos in Perth, Las Vegas, and Macau. Asians in Perth (and Australia in general) are comprised of mainly of Chinese immigrants who arrived during the gold rush of the 1850-60's, Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees from the 1970's, working class and professional migrants from the Philippines and India since the 1970's, middle class economic migrants from Hong Kong and Taiwan from the 1980-90's, and middle class economic and educational migrants from mainland China since 2000. Which of these specific groups whose women does Wellbush believe are addicted to gambling? Is gambling in the culture of all of these groups, or just some?

    Macau is the only place in China where gambling is legal, and its visitors are mainly middle class and upper class individuals from China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. The Chinese players in the high stakes poker games in Macau are tremendously wealthy, or are offspring of the tremendously wealthy. The cutthroat capitalism in China of the past 30+ years have created a class of the ultra-rich. The ones who survived did so because of their ruthless nature and psychopathic obsession to win. Money means nothing to those people, except as a means to keep score. Does the top 0.1% of Chinese society reflect the values of all Chinese, and all Asian poker players? Your statement seems to think so.

    Macau received nearly 28 million visitors from mainland China in 2019. China's population was 1.433 billion in 2019. What cultural observations did you make on the 1.405 billion Chinese people who did not visit Macau in 2019? Do you think that all of those people also like to be loose and splashy at a poker table, except that they just gamble illegally outside of Macau, because they can't afford to or don't want to go through the hassle of getting a permit to visit Macau? This is such an easy case of selection bias to spot; yet multiple people in this thread seem to be falling for it.

    Finally, your comparison of a poker pro using heuristics to categorize opponents is not even valid. Poker is game of imperfect information, but within a few rounds, it is possible to make highly accurate observations on an opponent's play style, especially when the opponent is veering widely from optimal play. The observations don't even need to be that precise. If you think that someone's range is not well constructed, and they are folding just 3% too much, a solver will tell you to bluff everything, because every bluff is now profitable. Likewise, if someone is calling just 3% too much, then a solver will tell you to never bluff, widen your value range, and size up your value bets. Maximally exploiting your opponent's weaknesses is simply the optimal strategy.

    At a poker table, everyone agrees to the rules of the game when they sit down. Your have an adversarial relationship with your opponents, and it is fine to use heuristics to maximize profits. When you are just walking past someone on the street, they're not asking to be judged.
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    September 13th, 2021 at 9:28:42 PM permalink
    Great thread, non fiction and reality Wellbush!

    Keep it going!

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