AxelWolf
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July 28th, 2021 at 4:45:17 PM permalink
Quote: MrV


Thinking often about gambling and making plans to gamble

Assuming it's not what you do for a living or part-time AP, I would be very concerned with this one in and of itself.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Dieter
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July 28th, 2021 at 4:53:43 PM permalink
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I was just thinking about this today and wanted some insight from some of you. Do you feel like a gambling "addict" can be addicted to gambling and be a "controlled gambler" at the same time?



No.


Fortunately it sounds like you're still just a gambler, not an addict.
I'm not your therapist; this is not a diagnosis; there's a link to GamCare at the bottom of the page if you, your friends, or your family is worried.
May the cards fall in your favor.
MrV
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July 28th, 2021 at 4:59:52 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Assuming it's not what you do for a living or part-time AP, I would be very concerned with this one in and of itself.



Axel, you are an AP and appear to know many AP's.

In your opinion are many AP's addicted to gambling?

That is, even though they gamble for a living, might the listed criteria still fit many of them?
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July 28th, 2021 at 5:18:45 PM permalink
Would a drug dealer who makes money off drugs but is a daily user himself not be an addict? Just tossing that out there.

Actually, as an aside, the way I look at drug users, is that if a drug user could wake up in the morning, shave, have breakfast, read the news, deal with business and any emails or correspondence, then step into the office, and as an afterthought, take an occasional shot of something, he wouldn't be an addict. Addicts live to use and use to live - many drug users think they live a full life and just happen to use, but real addicts are mostly just going through the motions in their lives while their primary drive is to use drugs.


One rule I have always followed is to never gamble at any local casinos at home. Wouldn't want to wake up any morning and have to decide between going to work or the casinos. That doesn't sound like a good idea. When we're at home I don't even think about entering any casinos for anything other than maybe a buffet with family.

If we end up living in Vegas even as just another home...that might be the end of MDawg's Vegas gaming career.


It's interesting but although we have been here now continuously four and a half months, I recorded about 90 sessions, which means a good 40 or more days of no play.
I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
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July 28th, 2021 at 7:31:16 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

No.


Fortunately it sounds like you're still just a gambler, not an addict.
I'm not your therapist; this is not a diagnosis; there's a link to GamCare at the bottom of the page if you, your friends, or your family is worried.



Im not concerned. Neither is my immediate family. We all feel its very under control.

I was just striking conversation about a thought I had.
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July 29th, 2021 at 8:22:05 AM permalink
All hobbies costs money.

Fishing, hunting, hiking, going to live sporting events, concerts, collecting, etc...

My hobby just happens to be gambling. I have NEVER bet more than I could very comfortably afford to lose.

Sometimes my hobby costs me a few hundred dollars. Sometimes it pays me.

I play very low house edge games. (Craps [THE DON'Ts], BlackJack, Pai Gow Poker, and bet sports).

Whats the difference in buying $1,000 worth of fishing gear to go fish for a few hours a week, or to gamble for a few hours and maybe lose that same money, but maybe win it?
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July 29th, 2021 at 8:31:21 AM permalink
Also, here's an example of a day for me at the casino and gambling. This actually happened last night..

Go to my local casino between my work and home. The $15 BJ game I want to play is full. So I sit down at a Rakin' Bacon slot machine I watch a lot and see the minor progressive is pretty high for said game. You can hit the progressive at any bet level. So, while I dont play many slots at all, I put $100 in and do $0.88 a spin. I hit a few line hits and then hit the minor progressive. I cash the $300 ticket and I ended up net +$200 total.

I take that same $200 I just won, buy into a $15 blackjack game that finally has a seat. I play 2 full shoes at $15/hand, with a $5 bet on the in between. I actually hit a triple match and a couple one card spreads and ended up another $175. So now I have $375 house money.

I take the $200 and put it safely in my wallet. I bet $175 of it on a baseball game I planned to watch when I got home. I bet a -175 favorite to win $100. The bet ended up losing, but made a random Wednesday night baseball game more fun for me.

I enjoyed an evening, and made $200!

Keep in mind, this is similar to how I always bet and I am a guy who makes 6 figures a year, has a 6 figure savings account, and multiple high limit credit cards with 0 balance. I could, if I wanted to, bet way bigger and way crazier. I honestly feel like it's just a hobby and I have it very controlled.
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July 29th, 2021 at 8:34:19 AM permalink
I would just chalk it up to, mental health professionals aside, the best person to decide whether or not an individual has a problem is the individual himself/herself. Many addictions can come down to taking a realistic self-appraisal, so sometimes that can be done and the answer is, "No, I am not addicted."
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July 29th, 2021 at 8:49:22 AM permalink
What if instead of casino gambling you spent that amount of time and money on something else that interested you, for example automobile repair, maintenance and restoration.

I can easily envision a scenario where you'd spend that amount of time and money on it.

Would that be an addiction?

I think not: just a "hobby."

If it's not a problem then hey, it's not a problem.
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July 29th, 2021 at 8:52:30 AM permalink
Quote: mwalz9

All hobbies costs money.

Fishing, hunting, hiking, going to live sporting events, concerts, collecting, etc...

My hobby just happens to be gambling. I have NEVER bet more than I could very comfortably afford to lose.

Sometimes my hobby costs me a few hundred dollars. Sometimes it pays me.

I play very low house edge games. (Craps [THE DON'Ts], BlackJack, Pai Gow Poker, and bet sports).

Whats the difference in buying $1,000 worth of fishing gear to go fish for a few hours a week, or to gamble for a few hours and maybe lose that same money, but maybe win it?



I absolutely agree with you.

Some people golf, bowl, collect stamps, read books, etc.

Gambling is my hobby.

I don't consider it losing my money.

I tell my children that I am playing with their inheritance money.

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