What on earth would bots at the table have changed?

I've played a lot of those evolution online live dealer games and never suspected foul play.

Someone will be along to estimate the odds, shortly. Are you SURE you had no splits or doubles? If you did, how are you counting them?

You didn't think anything was unusual when you were winning? Did you think that you had an edge? Blackjack isn't a game where you win-lose, win, lose, win lose. Sometimes you win more and sometimes the house does. But you will remember the bad extremes. Simple as that.Quote:Sacke86...as I was a constant winner till then and maybe a threat for them. ...whatever strategy I've tried to apply, like they was forcing me to lose, that's what I felt.

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Thanks. I.e. not even mildly unusual.Quote:unJonSo roundish numbers you have a 42% chance of winning a BJ hand. Rest is losses and pushes. You played 30 hands so can expect to win 12.6 hands. Standard deviation of 1.15 times sqrt(30) gives you 6.3 hands standard deviation. So you’re winning six hands Means you were all of about 1.05 standard deviations off.

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OP has played about 3000 hands. He can expect to see far FAR more notable events.

Quote:unJonSo roundish numbers you have a 42% chance of winning a BJ hand. Rest is losses and pushes. You played 30 hands so can expect to win 12.6 hands. Standard deviation of 1.15 times sqrt(30) gives you 6.3 hands standard deviation. So you’re winning six hands Means you were all of about 1.05 standard deviations off.

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Would do a lot better with Bac

Quote:OnceDearYou were unlucky. That's all. If any other outcome had occurred, you wouldn't have given it a second thought.

What on earth would bots at the table have changed?

I've played a lot of those evolution online live dealer games and never suspected foul play.

Someone will be along to estimate the odds, shortly. Are you SURE you had no splits or doubles? If you did, how are you counting them?

I want to correct you. You were (MOST LIKELY) unlucky. It is an online casino. He (possibly) could have been scammed. But of course, the data he provided happens so frequently as to not warrant any further discussion.

You are correct. However, Evolution Gaming run many of the live dealer games that i have played and over 10s or maybe 100s of thousands of hands, I've never had cause to suspect foul play at those tables.Quote:SOOPOOI want to correct you. You were (MOST LIKELY) unlucky. It is an online casino. He (possibly) could have been scammed. But of course, the data he provided happens so frequently as to not warrant any further discussion.

In that case the standard deviation is sqrt(30*0.42*0.58)=2.7

So winning 6 hands vs the expectation of 12.6 is a 2.4 standard deviation event. So unlucky but not to the level of suspicion.

Quote:OnceDearYou are correct. However, Evolution Gaming run many of the live dealer games that i have played and over 10s or maybe 100s of thousands of hands, I've never had cause to suspect foul play at those tables.

I haven’t chimed in yet because he said it was evolution... and they usually do hand shuffle and live dealer...

I know hand shuffle is possibly worst than what I consider to be a rigged deck.

I can’t even believe the words that are coming out of my mouth. I feel as if I’m in my own category of person. I’m all like “hur dur I liked rigged decks because they are better than a hand shuffle”

I always found evolution an Exception and always wondered why they never use shufflers

And another thing is that ANYTHING can happen when it comes to random, meaning whichever way the deck is shuffled is random. This guy could lose 1000 hands in a row and it would be normal am I wrong?

Quote:unJonWith apologies I used 1.15 as the BJ standard deviation but that’s not right here. Here we are ignoring doubles and splits and only concerned with hands won vs push and lost.

In that case the standard deviation is sqrt(30*0.42*0.58)=2.7

So winning 6 hands vs the expectation of 12.6 is a 2.4 standard deviation event. So unlucky but not to the level of suspicion.

Isn't my winning chances about 45-46% if we exclude pushes? If chances for a push are about 8% and we substract this it will remain the winning chances of 42% and 50% of loosing and then 42 / (42+50) = 45.6% and 50 / (42+50) = 54.3%?

But anyway... 1. How did you calculate that standard deviation for this specific scenario? 2. Does this result have any relevance for winning 6 hands more than 12.6 (wich means winning 18.6 hands, not rounded)? This should be different cuz winning probability is lower than loosing probability (45.6 < 54.3) so the deviation should be lower I think. I got really confused with this standard deviation thing. If you can explain me and do the math from the scratch I would appreciate it so much, thanks!

Here is my session of 30 hands but bets are in my currency, not dollars, anyway:

L L L L L L W W L L L L L W L L L L L L L L L W W W L L L L

6 lost, 2 won, 5 lost, 1 won, 9 lost, 3 won, 4 lost and the money gone... :(

And L'Abouchere with my bets here:

Starting Bankroll: 3680.5 (Made from 500 with this same L'Abouchere as below)

L (-15) : 10, 5

L (-25) : 10, 5, 15

L (-35) : 10, 5, 15, 25

L (-45 x 2 - Double) : 10, 5, 15, 25, 35

L (-55 x 2 - Double) : 10, 5, 15, 25, 35, 45

L (-65) : 10, 5, 15, 25, 35, 45, 55

W (+75) : 10, 5, 15, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65

W (+60) : 5, 15, 25, 35, 45, 55

L (-60) : 15, 25, 35, 45

L (-75) : 15, 25, 35, 45, 60

L (-90) : 15, 25, 35, 45, 60, 75

L (-105) : 15, 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90

L (-120) : 15, 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105

W (+135) : 15, 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 120

L (-130) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105

L (-155) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130

L (-180) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155

L (-205) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180

L (-230) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205

L (-255) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230

L (-280) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255

L (-305) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255, 280

L (-330) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255, 280, 305

W (+355) : 25, 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255, 280, 305, 330

W (+340) : 35, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255, 280, 305

W (+325) : 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255, 280

L (-315) : 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255

L (-375) : 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255, 315

L (-435) : 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255, 315, 375

L (-495) : 60, 75, 90, 105, 130, 155, 180, 205, 230, 255, 315, 375, 435

Ending Bankroll: Under 500

IF ANYBODY HAS A SLOW AND STEADY BETTING SYSTEM WICH CAN GET THROUGH THIS CRAZY LOOSING SERIES BETTER PLEASE TELL ME cuz I wanna deposit 500 again (wich is about $120)!