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daveyandersen1
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March 16th, 2021 at 10:31:30 PM permalink
I dont play 0nline except wizards game... so any stratagies I would use would be used there or if i like it at a brick and morter casino..IF one of your strategies would work for me.. I would inform you with a post and tell people I learned it from ChumpChange YOUR WELCOME lol
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March 17th, 2021 at 5:26:52 AM permalink
Last time I played craps at a casino, some player mentioned Chump Change and I immediately got paranoid.
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March 17th, 2021 at 8:15:26 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

And, to be honest, BoSox, I do take these claims personally.

As a professional player, who works hard to play with an advantage and make a living, someone who endures the variance involved, in my case of card counting, long losing periods, the war with casinos over getting in playing times and rounds, and backoffs and barings, I and I hope other legitimate players, take offense at some yahoo (and again I am not speaking of anyone specific) that comes along claiming to win every session, every trip, no variance....just steady, constant winning with the blessing of the casinos.

THAT is just NOT the way it works and it is offensive to those of us that work hard at playing with an advantage and actually play the game within the game vs the casinos and casino industry.




kewlJ, I would like to offer an entirely different perspective on the above quote.
Calling yourself a professional is fine if you want to although, you realize that the term is subjective as if you asked 10 members to define it you would get 10 different answers.

In my mind, a professional AP in gaming realizes that silence is golden and the right path to take and there is never any glory involved period. Make a living as quietly as you can and let the masses fend for themselves. Seeking out or expecting any kind of recognition, notoriety, or publicity and you should question calling yourself professional. Yes, you work really hard at it playing the game within the game and do find it offensive with others who make claims of continued wins that defy any sense of logic. However, you should be grateful that those people exist as you do not need any extra competition by someone real knowledgeable spreading all the right things. You are able to play only because of the abundance of ploppies remember that.

Now both of us are guilty of giving plenty of advice to newer players but there are differences between us. My playing days are winding down as a part-time AP and I feel it is the appropriate time to give some back. You however may still be playing decades from now and living off of blackjack, so take the low road and keep your mouth shut Mr professional "very subjective indeed".
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March 17th, 2021 at 8:40:16 AM permalink
Quote: BoSox

kewlJ, I would like to offer an entirely different perspective on the above quote.
Calling yourself a professional is fine if you want to although, you realize that the term is subjective as if you asked 10 members to define it you would get 10 different answers.

In my mind, a professional AP in gaming realizes that silence is golden and the right path to take and there is never any glory involved period. Make a living as quietly as you can and let the masses fend for themselves. Seeking out or expecting any kind of recognition, notoriety, or publicity and you should question calling yourself professional. Yes, you work really hard at it playing the game within the game and do find it offensive with others who make claims of continued wins that defy any sense of logic. However, you should be grateful that those people exist as you do not need any extra competition by someone real knowledgeable spreading all the right things. You are able to play only because of the abundance of ploppies remember that.

Now both of us are guilty of giving plenty of advice to newer players but there are differences between us. My playing days are winding down as a part-time AP and I feel it is the appropriate time to give some back. You however may still be playing decades from now and living off of blackjack, so take the low road and keep your mouth shut Mr professional "very subjective indeed".



It should come as no surprise I totally disagree with you.

A pro gambler is someone who makes a living gambling using mathematically sound principles. Anyone else making money gambling is just experiencing luck.

And anyone who can predict in advance he is going to win using nothing but luck and intuition is, hmmm,....

Your professional opinion is silence is golden. But silence doesn't make you a professional.
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BoSox
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March 17th, 2021 at 8:54:27 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It should come as no surprise I totally disagree with you.

A pro gambler is someone who makes a living gambling using mathematically sound principles. Anyone else making money gambling is just experiencing luck.

And anyone who can predict in advance he is going to win using nothing but luck and intuition is, hmmm,....

Your professional opinion is silence is golden. But silence doesn't make you a professional.





Show me just where I give a definition of a pro gambler? I gave one small aspect of saying a pro should be quiet big deal. In reality, I think the term is very subjective and I did not define it myself.
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March 17th, 2021 at 9:01:16 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It should come as no surprise I totally disagree with you.

A pro gambler is someone who makes a living gambling using mathematically sound principles. Anyone else making money gambling is just experiencing luck.

And anyone who can predict in advance he is going to win using nothing but luck and intuition is, hmmm,....

Your professional opinion is silence is golden. But silence doesn't make you a professional.




And a lack of silence doesn't make one unprofessional.

For example, when USA Today first started publishing, they had multiple pages full of handicapper ads claiming 90% winners and 110-17 ATS records and such. Now I could have chosen to keep my mouth shut -- or I could have chosen to call them, write them, and tell them what they had gotten themselves into. There was no upside to doing the latter, and there was a downside. I did it anyway. I did it because people needed to have some idea where the reality guardrails were regarding sports handicapping.

I have made the same kind of decision dozens if not hundreds of times in my life. Telling the truth and educating people shouldn't be attached to some cost/benefit analysis.
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March 17th, 2021 at 9:19:28 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It should come as no surprise I totally disagree with you.



And anyone who can predict in advance he is going to win using nothing but luck and intuition is, hmmm,....



I think you misinterpreted me. I am not complimenting the luck or intuition people by any means.
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March 17th, 2021 at 9:32:33 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

And a lack of silence doesn't make one unprofessional.




redietz, correct lack of silence does not make one unprofessional but depending on what is said could be frowned upon. Why go out of your way to get more competition? We already have enough boot camps doing that.
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March 17th, 2021 at 3:00:05 PM permalink
Quote: redietz

And a lack of silence doesn't make one unprofessional.

For example, when USA Today first started publishing, they had multiple pages full of handicapper ads claiming 90% winners and 110-17 ATS records and such. Now I could have chosen to keep my mouth shut -- or I could have chosen to call them, write them, and tell them what they had gotten themselves into. There was no upside to doing the latter, and there was a downside. I did it anyway. I did it because people needed to have some idea where the reality guardrails were regarding sports handicapping.

I have made the same kind of decision dozens if not hundreds of times in my life. Telling the truth and educating people shouldn't be attached to some cost/benefit analysis.


Did you notify them 10 times a week for a year????
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March 17th, 2021 at 3:36:43 PM permalink
Four shoes - more complete details posted at TruePassage but the summary being:
Ended 7700 ahead - but hold on! as I was sitting chatting with the dealer a suit came out of nowhere and declared that I had been "shortchanged" 500 at some point in the past, and had the dealer hand me another 500 chip. So I ended +8200 in my pocket, and had tipped out maybe five hunny or so (via side bets for the dealers, as I do always), along the way.

I had pulled an 8K marker only so that was a clean double - which I consider to be excellent.

The computer showed my average bet at 450, but I negotiated it up to 600 with the pit boss.

It is WORK though, make no mistake about it. Requires great concentration and discipline.

Heading to the spa suite she reserved for herself to have lunch with her. Another victorious day.
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