The Adventures of MDawg

Quote: billryan

Making the world safe for musical comedy since 2019.

On that note since 2019 Coachbelly has posted in only two threads

Primarily this one and a few in the "parodies" thread.

He seems to be here for the sole purpose of arguing for MDawg

Quote: coachbelly

Some insist that it's impossible for him to prove that he has won playing baccarat for any period of time.

That's an irrational position, and I reject that notion.

You and Mendoza both offer some excellent points.

Quote: darkoz

MDawg testimony is clear to you but proven AP players and proven AP tactics are not?

I don't understand how your equation applies.

I asked if there is documentation that could verify a player's AP status.

I'm not asking them to provide the documentation, just asking if it exists and what it could be.

Quote: AxelWolf

he thinks that Advantage players have a self-righteous thinking that they're the only ones that can ever win.

I don't know who the APs are, had not contemplated what they think, and did not ascribe a collective attitude to the group such as this..."Advantage players have a self-righteous thinking that they're the only ones that can ever win"

All these guys know that I won. Just some of them for whatever reason can't come to terms with the fact.

Quote: coachbelly

Some insist that it's impossible for him to prove that he has won playing baccarat for any period of time.

In a general sense that is true. There could be sessions he’s not discussing. There could be P/L statements he’s not posting. There could be a massive, single time loss he’s not discussing.

Again, him posting “I’m posting facts” does not make it a fact here. It’s a claim. Nothing more or less.

Could he be net positive long term?
Yes, that’s a possibility. Not probable, but possible.

There’s many unknowns within that context. He could be net positive $1 after 10 years of play. The edge on baccarat is very thin and I would assume long term simulations might show a few players net ahead after a lot of play. He might also be down $100K.

Frankly, when I examine the entire ball of wax, the stock market claims of 19 of 19 profitable day trades....I believe less and less from him to the point I don’t believe much.

You can believe whatever you want. I find it odd that you seem to have some need for all to just believe him. My intention is not to dissuade you. My intention is to tell you what I believe. I assume others hold that position as well.

Quote: MDawg

All these guys know that I won. Just some of them for whatever reason can't come to terms with the fact.

Have you won, doubtful

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Quote: coachbelly

How would I know?...Is there any documentation a player could provide to verify their AP status?

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That would probably be tax returns, pictures w-2g win loss statements and the whole gauntlet would add up to reasonable proof. However, you're unlikely see that from anyone legit, unless they have some type of an agenda perhaps they want to write a book, start a website, YouTube or get investors or something different.

How does one know if someone else is an advantage player and makes money? It might be one of those things where it takes one to know one, or at least have a good grasp on what advantage play is/ looks like .

Often times, you can read someone's posts/ or listen in person and get a good inclination if they know what they're talking about or not. If someone describes a play they played including where and when, you can get a good idea on how strong that play is and if it's an advantage or not. You can oftentimes verify that play was actually a thing(perhaps you yourself was playing the exact same thing at one time)

I don't know, perhaps this is a bad comparison(since I don't know enough about blockchain I only know how I think it works in my mind).

But perhaps you can think of it like a blockchain. Nevermind that idea, I really have no idea how blockchains actually work. Let's just call it a multi-step verification process. It's a combination of many things and perhaps it starts out with a things I said above.

Let me give you a scenario: Say I go into a casino for a few weeks and I'm playing what I know to be a good advantage and I see some guy (we will call him Mr. X) there that I've never meet or seen before. Mr X is doing the exact same thing I am day after day.

Now I go to another casino and sure enough Mr. X is there playing what all the other Advantage Players are playing.
Now let's say there is another Advantage Player (we will call him Joe) whom I've known and trusted for a while I ask Joe if he is ever seen or known anything about player X? Let's say Joe precedes to tell me, yes, he was introduced to him by another Advantage player who highly recommended him, and he recently split action with Mr.X on a VP progressive. Joseph no that MrX played the strategy very accurately. Joe kept track he kept track of money going in and out and then mr. X hit the progressive for $30,000 after about 3 hours of play and everything worked out great and the numbers were spot on.

Now let's just say Time After Time various different people have seen or done something with this person seeing his skill set. Perhaps they've dined with him, been to his house, been in his car etc. It's all leading to the same conclusion.... This person is an Advantage Player who seems to be doing well and has a sh*t together.

There's different things that start to add up and connect all the dots to where you can say with fairly good confidence that someone is an advantage player, even though you have never met them including word of mouth.

Fantasy works best when you suspend belief.

Gandalf sent the eagles to rescue Frodo after the poor hobbit literally went through hell to destroy the ring.
Why didn't he just have the eagles fly over Mt Doom and drop the darn thing in the first place?

Quote: billryan

Fantasy works best when you suspend belief.

Gandalf sent the eagles to rescue Frodo after the poor hobbit literally went through hell to destroy the ring.
Why didn't he just have the eagles fly over Mt Doom and drop the darn thing in the first place?

Thanks for ruining my favorite trilogy of all effin time

Quote: darkoz

Thanks for ruining my favorite trilogy of all effin time

Just wait a bit. I'm sure mdawg has a third thread in him.

Quote: TDVegas

Frankly, when I examine the entire ball of wax, the stock market claims of 19 of 19 profitable day trades....

19 out of 19 profitable trades was just the tally of those posted about in that thread. We later learned the stock trading winning streak spans 2 years.

And by the way, it’s now 20 out of 20

Some would apparently like for MDawg to drink the hemlock, but that doesn't change the fact that he's as much in the right and truthful as Socrates ever was. And seemingly as controversial.

Quote: coachbelly

Is there any documentation a player could provide to verify their AP status?

Quote: AxelWolf

That would probably be tax returns, pictures w-2g win loss statements and the whole gauntlet would add up to reasonable proof. However, you're unlikely see that from anyone legit

There was a consensus OEJ expert who did provide several years of his tax records for publication on another forum, in order to verify that he was a legit AP.

Would the criteria you outlined above meet the standard of proof of winning for someone who hasn't claimed to play with an advantage?

Quote: AxelWolf

There's different things that start to add up and connect all the dots to where you can say with fairly good confidence that someone is an advantage player, even though you have never met them including word of mouth.

Yeah, I was asking about documentation that could be provided on this forum, rather than eye-witness stuff.

I've found that forum meet-ups can be difficult to successfully execute.

Just got this on my business cell phone.

Yes we've bought a lot at that Cartier and other branches of Cartier but is this really a crushing blow that Cartier is closed? 🤨 They act as though we're bemoaning the loss and pining for the store's reopening.

But, in that the message came from the Cartier store @ Wynn, this has me now thinking about VEGAS. Our next trip is scheduled for early May. I have little doubt that Vegas will reopen by then, but, will it be safe? Will any place truly be safe, as say, staying at home?

If I go to Vegas it's going to be bad enough that I'll expose myself to potentially infected others or infected material objects such as chips, down in the casino, but do I have the right to go down there every day and come back up to the room and expose conceivably my wife to the same? I can't see myself doing that, taking those sorts of communal risks over something like gambling. Or really over anything that isn't a necessity.

So things will really have to improve by May to justify not cancelling that trip.

Quote: coachbelly

There was a consensus OEJ expert who did provide several years of his tax records for publication on another forum, in order to verify that he was a legit AP.

Would the criteria you outlined above meet the standard of proof of winning for someone who hasn't claimed to play with an advantage?



Yeah, I was asking about documentation that could be provided on this forum, rather than eye-witness stuff.

I've found that forum meet-ups can be difficult to successfully execute.

Personally, I'm always looking at the situation and motivation as to what proof I would accept. (send me a link to whatever you're talking about please, I would like to know exactly what it was playing before I made any comment)

We've seen people go to Great Lengths to try to prove they're winning, when in fact or not. I.E. Taking pictures of all their HUGE Sports bets/wins, meanwhile betting the other side. If one thought they could fake winning results pay the IRS their taxes and that would in turn would lead to financial gain either by selling books/ picks, sponsorship deals, classes and or whatever else, I can certainly see that happening. I mean, look what these guys did with Dice Influence. Almost a perfect situation, because it's a very hard to disprove it works. One just has to stick to their story and convince others that they believe it to be true and that person can't be considered to be a con artist.

It only ever seems to be hard getting a meet up together when the person it's full of s***. I don't think I've ever had a problem meeting up with an advantage player if really wanted wanted to meet them if he/she was in fact legit. Just think about that for a minute. Then ask yourself, why is it that all these guys who claim to have special ability who are obviously seeking out attention regarding their ability almost never end up meeting with anyone, even after they say they'll do so?

Some of youse may have joined this forum seeking attention.

Any attention I've received has been because of youse, I never asked for it. I just joined this forum because I had started to gamble again after not having gambled for many years, and figured this was a good spot to discuss gambling.

If I am guilty of anything it is of enjoying writing about my life.

One (is there only one?) thing annoying about the way you say things Axel is that you say things as if they were conclusory. Nothing you've posted in this thread with regards to me has been anything other than dashed against the rocks, and yet you cling to the few that haven't been addressed one way or another...such as this meetup thing. I never agreed to meet with anyone from this forum other than the challenge I made with Michael99000 (he whiffed, he slunk away and never responded), and GWAE whom I was willing to meet but our schedules never coincided. I have communicated with the Wizard off this forum but not about gambling. That's it.

I am sure there are annoying aspects to the way I say things sometimes too, but when I respond testily usually it is in defense of my integrity being impugned.

As well I seem to recall a post you made somewhere, correct me if I am wrong, to the effect of that someone's meeting me and watching me play would prove nothing. So, why the big deal over this, other than perhaps that everything else conceivable has already been check listed down the line to prove my veracity.

Quote: MDawg

Some of youse may have joined this forum seeking attention.

Any attention I've received has been because of youse, I never asked for it. I just joined this forum because I had started to gamble again after not having gambled for many years, and figured this was a good spot to discuss gambling.

If I am guilty of anything it is of enjoying writing about my life.

One (is there only one?) thing annoying about the way you say things Axel is that you say things as if they were conclusory. Nothing you've posted in this thread with regards to me has been anything other than dashed against the rocks, and yet you cling to the few that haven't been addressed one way or another...such as this meetup thing. I never agreed to meet with anyone from this forum other than the challenge I made with Michael99000 (he whiffed, he slunk away and never responded), and GWAE whom I was willing to meet but our schedules never coincided. I have communicated with the Wizard off this forum but not about gambling. That's it.

Why would I want to play against someone in a game where the results are based 100% on complete dumb luck ? And not only that , but a game where no matter what bet you make, you are more likely to lose than win on every single hand ?

Saying that you’re better than someone at a game that involves zero skill whatsoever, is comical.

Quote: michael99000

Why would I want to play against someone in a game where the results are based 100% on complete dumb luck ? And not only that , but a game where no matter what bet you make, you are more likely to lose than win on every single hand ?

Thats the genius of mdawgs methods. He loses a little on every hand, but makes it up on the volume.

Quote: billryan

Thats the genius of mdawgs methods. He loses a little on every hand, but makes it up on the volume.

Like my favorite ever SNL commercial for the Bank Of Change.

Michael99000: for about the sixteenth time, I made it clear that you could play any casino game you chose during the two week period with your fifty grand, and I would play what I wanted, and beat you. I won $32,000. during the two week period in question when the bet would have been on. Would you have done better?

I am sure if you HAD fifty grand and THOUGHT you could win in Vegas at SOMETHING you would be there. I daresay that neither is true.
I show up in Vegas regularly and put my money and TIME where I could be doing something else, on the line.

This is what I am talking about where many of you just hear what you want to hear. I mean here we have DarkO quoting the Wizard's general statistics as proof that no one could ever win on any game with a house edge. Do you realize how absurd you sound? Go out and live life for yourself, son (well, actually I should say, dad, in that you're older than I am), but still, you get the message.

Quote: MDawg

Michael99000: for about the sixteenth time, I made it clear that you could play any casino game you chose during the two week period with your fifty grand, and I would play what I wanted, and beat you. I won $32,000. during the two week period in question when the bet would have been on. Would you have done better?

This is what I am talking about where many of you just hear what you want to hear. I mean here we have DarkO quoting the Wizard's general statistics as proof that no one could ever win on any game with a house edge. Do you realize how absurd you sound? Go out and live life for yourself, son (well, actually I should say, dad, in that you're older than I am), but still, you get the message.

So he could have made a single 50,000 bet and had a 50-50 chance of topping your $32,000 win. What was your point, again?
99.9% of people will lose less lifetime than you claim to lose in a single hand.
Math can be fun. Got any kool Sic Bo stories?

Sure he could have done that. But he didn't.

And that was all there was to the bet - again see you guys try to hear what you want to hear. If I won more, I won more. If he won more, he won more. That was the only prize - whatever we could win from the casino. It was the ultimate challenge - with everything at stake, putting your own money where your mouth is. I do that every time I go to Vegas.

But he could play whatever he wanted to play. He's some kind of advantage player right, so there is no way he could have lost? 🥱Tell that to ZenKing.

Michael99000 whiffed.


I'll put the challenge up again. One of youse show with fifty grand after Vegas opens and play whatever game you like, let's just say, for four days. At the end of the four days I will have won more. Any takers?

Quote: billryan

So he could have made a single 50,000 bet and had a 50-50 chance of topping your $32,000 win. What was your point, again?
99.9% of people will lose less lifetime than you claim to lose in a single hand.
Math can be fun. Got any kool Sic Bo stories?

You can do much better than that with a stop loss of $50k and win stop of $32k.

Quote: unJon

You can do much better than that with a stop loss of $50k and win stop of $32k.

I wasn't endorsing the bet, just stating how easy it would be to beat mdawgs total.

Quote: MDawg

Some of youse may have joined this forum seeking attention.

Any attention I've received has been because of youse, I never asked for it. I just joined this forum because I had started to gamble again after not having gambled for many years, and figured this was a good spot to discuss gambling.

If I am guilty of anything it is of enjoying writing about my life.

One (is there only one?) thing annoying about the way you say things Axel is that you say things as if they were conclusory. Nothing you've posted in this thread with regards to me has been anything other than dashed against the rocks, and yet you cling to the few that haven't been addressed one way or another...such as this meetup thing. I never agreed to meet with anyone from this forum other than the challenge I made with Michael99000 (he whiffed, he slunk away and never responded), and GWAE whom I was willing to meet but our schedules never coincided. I have communicated with the Wizard off this forum but not about gambling. That's it.

I am sure there are annoying aspects to the way I say things sometimes too, but when I respond testily usually it is in defense of my integrity being impugned.

As well I seem to recall a post you made somewhere, correct me if I am wrong, to the effect of that someone's meeting me and watching me play would prove nothing. So, why the big deal over this, other than perhaps that everything else conceivable has already been check listed down the line to prove my veracity.

Watching you play will not prove if you win or lose over the long term.... How could it? As I said before, I would be satisfied knowing that you're actually playing and doing all the stuff as you would have us actually believe. I don't care if you're winning or losing. If you have some gig and the money that allows you to play thousands per hand and enjoy all the comp's and perks without having to worry about winning or losing money, that's impressive enough on its own. As far as convincing people you have a winning system (I don't think that you've ever claimed that). That just can't be done here until you prove it mathematically first.

Other than just getting lucky do you actually think you have a winning system that works and will continue to work over the long run?

Quote: MDawg

Sure he could have done that. But he didn't.

And that was all there was to the bet - again see you guys try to hear what you want to hear. If I won more, I won more. If he won more, he won more. That was the only prize - whatever we could win from the casino. It was the ultimate challenge - with everything at stake, putting your own money where your mouth is. I do that every time I go to Vegas.

But he could play whatever he wanted to play. He's some kind of advantage player right, so there is no way he could have lost? 🥱Tell that to ZenKing.

Michael99000 whiffed.


I'll put the challenge up again. One of youse show with fifty grand after Vegas opens and play whatever game you like, let's just say, for four days. At the end of the four days I will have won more. Any takers?

You'll stick to Baccarat? And I can play any game in the casino under any conditions?

Yes anything. Four days.

Whatever we win from the casino, is all we win, and of course the glory of saying, "I won." Truly Olympic garland of leaves style trophy, in honor of the fact that the 2020 games are off. I risk my money like this all the time.

I guess we would need two others to watch us. I'll pay for their meals with my comps.

If we're playing at say Cosmo, Baccarat is all I play there lately. I do play BJ at some of the other casinos, but yes, for this bet I could stick to Bacc. ONLY!

Quote: MDawg

Yes anything. Four days.

Whatever we win from the casino, is all we win, and of course the glory of saying, "I won." Truly Olympic garland of leaves style trophy, in honor of the fact that the 2020 games are off. I risk my money like this all the time.

I guess we would need two others to watch us. I'll pay for their meals with my comps.

If we're playing at say Cosmo, Baccarat is all I play there lately. I do play BJ at some of the other casinos, but yes, for this bet I could stick to Bacc. ONLY!

I'm not doing this s*** for just a hell of it(I don't need no glory). You've got to put up some decent money to make it worth it.

Quote: sabre

Because this is a gambling forum that skews towards the mathematically competent, if not proficient. It's not a creative writing forum.

You just have to understand it is possible he has been very lucky and winning. Some people do.

I don't need all four days, I just need like 4 hours, you just tell me how much you're up and then I'll get started on my 4 hours.

Quote: DRich

You just have to understand it is possible he has been very lucky and winning. Some people do.

have you checked out his stock market thread? He's only made like one bad trade in 2 years over hundreds(well I'm just assuming it's been hundreds, who knows )

Quote: AxelWolf

I don't need all four days, I just need like 4 hours, you just tell me how much you're up and then I'll get started on my 4 hours.

Obviously that isn't fair. How about you both play at the same time with someone watching but you don't know the others results until the end.

Quote: DRich

Obviously that isn't fair. How about you both play at the same time with someone watching but you don't know the others results until the end.

Go away, nobody said anything about being fair. I can play any game under any condition , he has to stick to Baccarat.

Four hours isn't feasible. Sometimes I'll play twenty minutes and stop for the day other times I play eight hours and stop. I'm quit while ahead, remember? That strategy you say doesn't work?

Four days.

Anyway, it's not like this has to be settled today. May be months until I'm back in Vegas.

But I put the challenge out there.

And as far as the prize, if you're truly an advantage player the way you describe what an advantage player IS then you will make money no matter what you do you can't lose right? So what are you worried about, the prize is ALLLLL that money you say you RAKE from the casinos daily. It's just another day for you with the added benefit of beating MDawg if you're as good as you say.

But the question is, are you thinking of jamming fifty grand into a slot machine or what? I can't see this working unless it's table games.

Quote: MDawg

Four hours isn't feasible. Sometimes I'll play twenty minutes and stop for the day other times I play eight hours and stop.

Axel can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that he plans to win more in 4 hours than you won over the previous 92 hours.

Maybe he's counting on you to book an overall loss, or maybe since he's risk-averse he won't play at all.

It's just another day at the casino for me. I don't care what Axel does, I will just keep playing the same as always, as should he. At the end of four days I will have won more.

But again, I think it has to be table games or else what is the point of the $50K bankroll. After all, the challenge is not "Can some guy working maintenance at Wynn or a casino host putting in overtime or a stock broker churning accounts for commission" make more than MDawg in four days, it is, can a GAMBLER gambling beat MDawg over the same four days.

Quote: MDawg

And as far as the prize, if you're truly an advantage player the way you describe what an advantage player IS then you will make money no matter what you do you can't lose right? So what are you worried about

I finally see the real issue. You don't know what an AP player is.

Axel doesn't claim he will make money no matter what he does nor that he can't lose.

What he claims (and does) is play situations where because he has an advantage mathematically (not spiritually or religiously or supernaturally or mind over matterly) he will be guaranteed to win (albeit over the long-term sometimes)

You are missing the FUNDAMENTAL aspect of AP which is to NOT PLAY when you are guaranteed to lose long-term.

Your wager is asking people to play at a game of statistical disadvantage to prove who gets luckier. I can play that game with my girlfriend. I can play that game with a total stranger. It proves nothing

But one thing you appear unable to play is with an advantage. That is something better left to the professionals.

Do you play, yes. Do you play with an advantage. Not from what you post. Do you win? I am sure sometimes you do. Are you an overall lifetime winner. Highly highly doubtful.

Truthfully I have more respect for the lowest totem pole AP bus bonus hunters because while small potatoes, they at least know what they are doing and are truthful AND successful in their methods

Again, we must have a continued communication problem.

Coach, are you the only careful reader here?

I do believe in order for this to work he has to play a table game, otherwise, where does the $50K bankroll come in.

But he does not have to play Baccarat, I have been saying that for going on...five (maybe just four?) months now, starting when I proposed the wager to Michael99000.


I'm like Maverick. I don't come to town to lose. So does Axel (or anyone else) feel the same way about his play, or not?

Quote: MDawg

And as far as the prize, if you're truly an advantage player the way you describe what an advantage player IS then you will make money no matter what you do you can't lose right? So what are you worried about, the prize is ALLLLL that money you say you RAKE from the casinos daily. It's just another day for you with the added benefit of beating MDawg if you're as good as you say.

Wait, the prize is he just keeps what he won? So if he beats you then you give him nothing and if you beat him he has to give you nothing?

That's the stupidest moat pointless wager I ever heard and I am quite certain Axel isn't going to do that. I don't know anyone who would? Maybe that's how you confirm your theories by asking people to do stupid requests no one will fill and then claiming victory

When I read nonsense like this, I often wonder how Al Gore feels about all the time he spent creating the internet.

DarkO: What do you mean "Wait," as in, you just suddenly realized something.

If you can't follow along when I have been saying the same completely consistent thing about this wager for months now, how is it that you're able to comment on what I am doing in terms of my two years trip reports. Are you reading just a portion of what is being written here? Hmm, you also misread my Win statement to read the wrong figure for 2018. Are you seeing and reading the same thing Coach is?

Quote: MDawg

DarkO: What do you mean "Wait," as in, you just suddenly realized something.

If you can't follow along when I have been saying the same completely consistent thing about this wager for months now, how is it that you're able to comment on what I am doing in terms of my two years trip reports. Are you reading just a portion of what is being written here? Hmm, you also misread my Win statement to read the wrong figure for 2018. Are you seeing and reading the same thing Coach is?

So you confirm that if Axel wins you give him nothing

This is really just a "friendly" day of gaming where whoever winds up with more money at the end gets to brag but wins nothing from you or has to give you anything?

Yeah, it's such a retarded wager that I probably blocked it out the other times you posted it.

It's just... Retarded

How about I wager you I can eat more chicken mcnuggets than you and if you win I give you nothing and if I win you give me nothing. I am starting to doubt now that you even gamble because that isn't a wager

Quote: MDawg

Are you seeing and reading the same thing Coach is?

It's not complicated to me...

Quote: MDawg

I'll put the challenge up again. One of youse show with fifty grand after Vegas opens and play whatever game you like, let's just say, for four days. At the end of the four days I will have won more. Any takers?

The conditions are...
MDawg and the challenger each show up in Vegas with $50K
MDawg will play baccarat
The challenger may play his game of choice
At the end of 4 days MDawg's profit will be greater than the challenger's

If there are other conditions, I could have missed them.

I'm not sure there's a legitimate reason for any reader to discourage Axel from accepting the challenge, unless the reader has a financial interest in Axel's AP play, but to my understanding Axel has already accepted.

Quote: AxelWolf

I don't need all four days, I just need like 4 hours, you just tell me how much you're up and then I'll get started on my 4 hours.

Quote: darkoz

it's such a retarded wager

No need to classify this event as a wager,
there is no wager besides those accepted by the casino.

Men often compete against other men without wagering on the outcome.

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not doing this s*** for just a hell of it(I don't need no glory). You've got to put up some decent money to make it worth it.

Coachbelly, there is no wager nor agreement to the challenge.

Axel stipulated it has to be a wager. That is if he wins, additional money has to change hands

It's pretty telling that MDawg isn't putting his money where his mouth is(to any gambler that means an additional wager above the agreed game)

Quote: coachbelly

No need to classify this event as a wager,
there is no wager besides those accepted by the casino.

Men often compete against other men without wagering on the outcome.

Then what’s the point of 2 people putting their money at risk in negative expectation games ?

Quote: michael99000

Then what’s the point of 2 people putting their money at risk in negative expectation games ?

Axel plays whatever game he chooses...that's one of the conditions.

It doesn't have to be a negative expectation game, and it's almost certain that it will not be.

Quote: coachbelly

Axel plays whatever game he chooses...that's one of the conditions.

It doesn't have to be a negative expectation game, and it's almost certain that it will not be.

So it would be Axel playing on an advantage play

Vs.

MDawg playing a -EV mathematically unbeatable game and just hoping that dumb luck works in his favor as he claims it has been for the duration of his life

Quote: coachbelly

Axel plays whatever game he chooses...that's one of the conditions.

It doesn't have to be a negative expectation game, and it's almost certain that it will not be.

Again a lack of understanding about AP.

Please, identity what positive expectation table game is the casino offering?

Quote: darkoz

Axel stipulated it has to be a wager. That is if he wins, additional money has to change hands

No I don't believe that he did stipulate that it has to be a wager, but you can post a quote to that effect and correct any misunderstanding.

It was Axel who initially proposed the event, I don't see any stipulation that there must be a wager...

Quote: AxelWolf

I still think you're up to something self-serving I just don't know what it is (I'm not claiming it's nefarious). However, I would be more than happy for you to prove me wrong. Once they open up the casinos again, let's set this up with Mike and another member...invite me and Mike.