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DeMango
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MDawg
May 14th, 2019 at 8:41:04 AM permalink
One hundred years ago, give or take, the finest scientists told us the universe always existed. Then, BANG!
Not to say we can’t trust the math, but sometimes there is something more that remains undiscovered.
billryan
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May 14th, 2019 at 9:14:57 AM permalink
I seriously doubt modern science ever said the universe always existed. Maybe a small minority did, just as a small minority somehow thinks climate change either doesn't exist or will be beneficial. I suppose if you are a Great White Shark and always wanted to Vegas, sea level change is a good thing but not for most of us.
Then there is always Chaos Theory. I've seen many a charlatan pull that card.
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May 14th, 2019 at 9:17:24 AM permalink
I could wait hours for an upturn in my luck. Just hope it gets here before I lose too much.
DeMango
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May 14th, 2019 at 9:48:26 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I seriously doubt modern science ever said the universe always existed.

The modern science of 100 years ago did!
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May 14th, 2019 at 11:52:25 AM permalink
Okay it’s a bit off topic, but I have to comment on this.

Modern science did indeed say that the universe always existed. If you do some serious reading about the Big Bang theory you will find that it was first theorized sometime in the 20s, not named until 1949, and not widely accepted until the discovery of CMB radiation in 1964, which was a key piece of supporting evidence. Until then scientific consensus was that the universe was “eternal”. It was not a fringe or pseudoscientific view, it was the generally accepted notion for the age of the universe.

I have even read that the reason why the Big Bang was initially rejected, and took a few decades to really catch on, was because it supported the “religious” idea that the universe suddenly “popped” into existence.

So to speak to the original point of the discussion... yes, of course science can be wrong. But at least science has the good sense to change its mind as new evidence comes to light.
"The Quest stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little, and it will fail, to the ruin of all." - Elf Queen Galadriel, teaching Frodo about the importance of blackjack basic strategy.
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May 14th, 2019 at 11:54:51 AM permalink
Oh and by the way, I am a “play until I hit a winning streak, and then quit while I’m ahead” type of player. If I don’t hit a winning streak, I have a session limit that I am not willing to go beyond.
"The Quest stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little, and it will fail, to the ruin of all." - Elf Queen Galadriel, teaching Frodo about the importance of blackjack basic strategy.
billryan
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May 14th, 2019 at 12:48:06 PM permalink
I have read that Einstein originally thought the universe was eternal, buy I always thought that put him in a distinct minority. I would think scientists and science wouldn't believe anything without proof.
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May 14th, 2019 at 4:01:11 PM permalink
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As Dave Berns added:
"The one thing the casinos hate about high rollers, are high rollers who are what they call hit and run high rollers, someone who comes in, gambles for a couple of hours, wins some money, and leaves."



The casino only cares about probabilities and total action. Players may or may not care about those things; or they may care about other things, too. But for profits, they are the only thing that have any effect on the player. Hit-and-run, hydration, good vibes, random patterns, and everything else is the equivalent of casino pornography: something to engage in while sitting at the computer, but nothing that has any application to the real world
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May 14th, 2019 at 4:15:31 PM permalink
There are actually THREE type of Players. The Advantage Players Player, the Casual Player and the Degenerate Player. The AP Player is wise and plays only games he knows is a good game to play. He will wait for people who don't know any better to play up until Game 8 on Scarab, leave in disgust because the "Scarabs," didn't give them any money, so it must be a rip off , and the AP gladly plays two games and watches in knowing glee as all those Scarabs turned into wilds and give him $500 on a $3.75 bet.

The Casual Player plays money that isn't NEEDED and is there just to have fun and maybe come home with more than they walked in. If they losr, no skin off their nose.

The Degenerate Gambler, AKA The Addicted Gambler will play money he NEEDS and will sit in a Casino from 12 pm to 12:PM the NEXT day, knowingly playing money he needs because he feels he has to play.

Disclaimer. This is all my personal Theory. ;)
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May 14th, 2019 at 6:35:15 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I would think scientists and science wouldn't believe anything without proof.



Well, one would hope so, of course. I think the origin of the universe is a big question, and one that’s rather difficult to test directly in the lab. It sort of depends where you put the burden of proof. In lieu of a decent, evidence based theory for how the universe came to be, I can see how the “origin-less” model was the default, at least for a time.

What’s even more remarkable to me is that we eventually developed the technology and know-how to measure the rate of expansion of the universe, estimate its size, age, and so on.

But I digress...
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