ElectricDreams
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November 4th, 2010 at 8:22:08 AM permalink
Quote: guido111

The BIG drawback with this system is how fast you run out of bankroll with very large bets and ALL your bets are contract bets. You can not call them off or take them down. Hard to lock up a profit and start over.



Yeah, I noticed both of those as big drawbacks when I tried it out on the Wizard of Odds' craps simulator. Those bets all being contract bets are killer!

On the other hand - what about doing the same betting, except with the Don't Pass and Don't Come? Neither of those are contract bets - obviously because the odds are in your favor past the come out roll - but if you're looking for a way to just back off once you're happy with your profits, would that be a way to do it?

The only question is if your bankroll could survive all those come out rolls...
DJTeddyBear
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November 4th, 2010 at 8:32:54 AM permalink
Quote: guido111

Go to the WinCraps site ...

It doesn't work on a Mac.


Quote: guido111

The BIG drawback with this system is how fast you run out of bankroll ... Hard to lock up a profit and start over.

That's why I said "If a shooter becomes profitable, reduce the next come bet." In my brief test, There always was a point where the shooter became profitable, before I ran out of money or hit the table max.
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SONBP2
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November 4th, 2010 at 8:55:04 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

It doesn't work on a Mac.


That's why I said "If a shooter becomes profitable, reduce the next come bet." In my brief test, There always was a point where the shooter became profitable, before I ran out of money or hit the table max.



I believe I have been saying that from the beginning. At some point there is a profit point and you could do one of 2 things, let everything ride and place no more bets and be happy with what you have already won or lower your next come/pass bet so that if he keeps rolling numbers you still have money in action that will continue show an increase in profit.

In the article that has been quoted several times, I am trying to figure out the math on how this isn't at least a break even game if you were playing crapless craps. The article states that 46% of the time you win over $250 and less than 7% of the time you lose over $250. What about setting a loss amount of $2,000 and a win amount $2,500, if either happens you walk away. Now you would have to factor in walking away at times when you are down a little, up a little, or at the breaking even, but if that is a wash then as systems go this seems very promising, I understand we aren't overcoming the house edge, nothing we do will change that, but with crapless craps I am not concerned with what I should be getting paid on thebets because all my bets are covered by the next come/pass bet so I will take the even money.
guido111
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November 4th, 2010 at 9:02:37 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear


That's why I said "If a shooter becomes profitable, reduce the next come bet." In my brief test, There always was a point where the shooter became profitable, before I ran out of money or hit the table max.


At regular craps that will not always happen because you will lose come bets, and many large ones, to the Crap #s.

But you are right. Once up with a shooter, back out of your bets or make no come bets until a few have won.
You end up winning a $5 and $10 come bet, can not make the required come bet, table limit and bankroll got you, and then the 7 out. Ouch!! And a few Craps #s along the way.
The CrapLess Craps version is much better.
I do not like the 5.38 HA on the pass/come bets. That will come into play the longer you play.
I will run some sims later and post the results if there are any surprises.


Can't you Mac users run a dual boot or something to run Windows and windows programs.
WinCraps is great for only $20 to run simulations. Many bet files have already been created by others that are free from the website.
Ibeatyouraces
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November 4th, 2010 at 9:04:14 AM permalink
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guido111
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November 4th, 2010 at 9:07:15 AM permalink
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My simple craps strategy...... never play it......or any game with a full disadvantage.


and you forgot to mention how playing Blackjack, with card counting, is a guaranteed way to win.
Playing BJ IS gambling.
Ibeatyouraces
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November 4th, 2010 at 9:09:42 AM permalink
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soulhunt79
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November 4th, 2010 at 9:22:31 AM permalink
This is no different than 99steps. It may be 1 in 100 or 500 chance, but there will be a chance you lose everything and due to the system this will be a large amount because you need a large bankroll.

Sooner or later your bankroll will run out of money
or
You will hit the table limit


Remove #2 and you are left with the possible situation were you are betting billions of dollars are extremely unlucky roll. The shooter that rolls 40-50 time before 7-out will decimate you. Depending on the rolls you may have hit a profit somewhere in there. However if it goes something like 2/3/4/5/6/8/9/10/11/12 and repeats, there is no win that will ever give you a profit, you are simply putting too much out there for any number to pay you off that much. Granted, it may take an extremely rare situation, but the situation still exists. You win small amounts on 99%+ of situations and you lose everything on .05% of situations.
Chuck
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November 4th, 2010 at 1:43:54 PM permalink
Quote: SONBP2

Why keep matching what is on the table? At some point you have won, you have a profit, you don't need to put so much money at risk.



"At some point you have won"

That's by no means certain.

In this scheme, you are putting the same amount on the Come as you have on the numbers, really as a method of hedging. If a seven comes, you lose everything on the numbers, but get paid on the come, so it's a wash.

But sooner or later, you have $1,000 on the numbers, and put $1,000 on the come, and the number comes up a five. You win whatever you HAD on the five, but now your $1,000 come bet goes there. You may or may not be in a profit at that point (probably not if you count what's still on the table).

You've got more than $1,000 on the numbers but you can only bet $1,000 on the come for the next roll.

Like Krigman said, it takes B.O.S. to play this scheme the way it needs to be played.
mkl654321
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November 4th, 2010 at 5:39:32 PM permalink
Quote: Chuck

Like Krigman said, it takes B.O.S. to play this scheme the way it needs to be played.



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