May 29th, 2016 at 10:21:13 AM
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Using the odds calculator on the Wizard of Odds for Ultimate Texas Hold em I saw some results that seemed counter intuitive.
Has anyone else noticed that? Is there another calculator available to help me tune my strategy?
Has anyone else noticed that? Is there another calculator available to help me tune my strategy?
May 29th, 2016 at 10:25:05 AM
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Maybe an example would be helpful
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May 29th, 2016 at 9:50:09 PM
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Sometimes strategy, whether UTH, VP, or some other game, isn't intuitive (or rather, counter-intuitive)....at least at first. If you study it a bit more, you can likely come up with why the strategy says to do X instead of Y.
Remember, a bit of UTH strategy has to do with the fact sometimes you're betting 1 unit so you save your blind bet [hoping for a push].
For instance, perhaps you have a 50% chance of losing and a 50% chance of pushing, with no way to win. With a $5 unit ($5 on ante, $5 blind), it would be better to bet the $5 extra dollars and hope for a push. If you fold, you're guaranteed to lose $10. If you play, 50% of the time you'll lose $15 and 50% of the time you'll lose nothing...for an average loss of $7.50. Of course, this is a simple case where it is (or should be) intuitively obvious why betting $5, even with NO CHANCE of winning, is a better play than folding.
Remember, a bit of UTH strategy has to do with the fact sometimes you're betting 1 unit so you save your blind bet [hoping for a push].
For instance, perhaps you have a 50% chance of losing and a 50% chance of pushing, with no way to win. With a $5 unit ($5 on ante, $5 blind), it would be better to bet the $5 extra dollars and hope for a push. If you fold, you're guaranteed to lose $10. If you play, 50% of the time you'll lose $15 and 50% of the time you'll lose nothing...for an average loss of $7.50. Of course, this is a simple case where it is (or should be) intuitively obvious why betting $5, even with NO CHANCE of winning, is a better play than folding.
May 31st, 2016 at 8:37:26 AM
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When did you become such a UTH expert RS? =)
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
May 31st, 2016 at 12:34:15 PM
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Quote: RSSometimes strategy, whether UTH, VP, or some other game, isn't intuitive (or rather, counter-intuitive)....at least at first. If you study it a bit more, you can likely come up with why the strategy says to do X instead of Y.
That is true, but also, the specific UTH game on the Wizard site might also have bugs. This came up in a different UTH thread and there were a couple of examples where its advice looked incorrect. See https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/all-other/25632-ultimate-texas-holdem-practice-on-web-site/
This might have been a temporary thing.
I am positive it's had me check bottom pair on the flop on a number of occasions, which I find surprising and is not as advised by the Wizard strategy. But I think the play-money game is using optimal strategy, not the simplified strategy, so it might just be those are fringe-case exceptions. So my personal experience isn't as convincing.
I agree, an example would be helpful.
Last edited by: MrGoldenSun on May 31, 2016
May 31st, 2016 at 1:40:20 PM
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Personally I raise x4 on any pair in the hole except 2's.
I would raise x2
(i) if the board had trips or pair AND I could form a higher hand (i.e. quads, FH; 2 pair)
(ii) If the board was suited - any matching card (pair) or suited card (flush) [technically you need a good kicker with lowest pair or with 4 to a flush]
(iii) If the board was not suited - any matching card (i.e. you've made a pair) [but not if you only have pair 2s in hole)
(iv) Some drawing hands (e.g. your two cards make a 4-card flush draw).
See the chart for x1 raises - note you always play the board if it's any 5-card hand and on other hand-types when the board has a great kicker.
I would raise x2
(i) if the board had trips or pair AND I could form a higher hand (i.e. quads, FH; 2 pair)
(ii) If the board was suited - any matching card (pair) or suited card (flush) [technically you need a good kicker with lowest pair or with 4 to a flush]
(iii) If the board was not suited - any matching card (i.e. you've made a pair) [but not if you only have pair 2s in hole)
(iv) Some drawing hands (e.g. your two cards make a 4-card flush draw).
See the chart for x1 raises - note you always play the board if it's any 5-card hand and on other hand-types when the board has a great kicker.
May 31st, 2016 at 2:24:11 PM
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The game is sometimes giving the wrong advice on the 2X decision.
At least the game 'pop-up' indicating a wrong move is in conflict with the 'situation calculator' ... proved this to myself . See link
https://wizardofodds.com/games/ultimate-texas-hold-em/calculator/
At least the game 'pop-up' indicating a wrong move is in conflict with the 'situation calculator' ... proved this to myself . See link
https://wizardofodds.com/games/ultimate-texas-hold-em/calculator/
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