Guy claims to have invented a BJ betting system

It's like the way this thread got hijacked; "Beyond Stupidity"

Quote: DeMango

It's like the way this thread got hijacked; "Beyond Stupidity"

Ouch! Can we still edit? :-)

Quote: DeMango

It's like the way this thread got hijacked; "Beyond Stupidity"

I beg to differ. I am going to write a book about Advantage Play as soon as I finish my book on beating the lottery based on your astrological sign.

Quote: DeMango

It's like the way this thread got hijacked; "Beyond Stupidity"

It's actually beyond stupidity that so many math oriented people on here seemingly cannot understand the difference between a how to gambling book and a memoir.

I stated I wanted to write a memoir that would be the Great American AP book. Perhaps I wasn't explicit enough that I hope it to be the greatest AP book for memoirs?

Suddenly a book about how to card count and AP carnival games is a memoir.

Like DeMango here says, the level of Beyond Stupidity is amazing on this forum.

And although I profess not to have read Grosjeans book, a book so largely about card counting (so much so that it's used in the title) is hardly not a book about card counting. Having some additional chapters on other plays still makes it a book about card counting.

Quote: djatc

It's very hard to be a lone wolf in this business so it's in most AP's that post here to be discreet and actually meet other AP's in private. Exotar sounds like a very knowledgeable person, so it's in our best interest to talk and see what we can do for each other.

I'm not big on exposing myself for fame and notoriety, just want to make some money, and more without anyone knowing what I did. AP books don't sell anyway lol.

Probably not.

Quote: darkoz

It's actually beyond stupidity that so many math oriented people on here seemingly cannot understand the difference between a how to gambling book and a memoir.

I stated I wanted to write a memoir that would be the Great American AP book. Perhaps I wasn't explicit enough that I hope it to be the greatest AP book for memoirs?

Suddenly a book about how to card count and AP carnival games is a memoir.

Like DeMango here says, the level of Beyond Stupidity is amazing on this forum.

And although I profess not to have read Grosjeans book, a book so largely about card counting (so much so that it's used in the title) is hardly not a book about card counting. Having some additional chapters on other plays still makes it a book about card counting.

Quote: darkoz

Grosjean's book is about card counting Blackjack, right?

I'm writing the non-card-counting Great American AP book.

*sigh*

I have read "The Book" and it's mainly not about counting.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I have read "The Book" and it's mainly not about counting.

That's fair. I haven't read it. I have only read the descriptions used to sell the book online so they may be a mis-representation.

Is it a memoir? I did not get that impression from the descriptions online.

It's more of a strategy guide.

Quote: darkoz

search Amazon books for gambling memoirs and you will find plenty of AP stories.

I personally am writing a memoir and yet have sought no publishing deal because as much as I want to share my adventures with the world (and I should point out I attempted to break into Hollywood with screenplays - unsuccessfully - for many years so I have a penchant for wanting to tell stories) nonetheless I recognize it could damage my ability to AP by exposure.

Double Sigh.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

It's more of a strategy guide.

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So to link a whole bunch of statements here which I naturally keep in my head even if others have difficulty finding them individually.

I am not interested in writing the Great American AP strategy guide.

I am interested in writing the Great American AP memoir.

Amended enough for everyone.

Triple sigh.

Quote: darkoz

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So to link a whole bunch of statements here which I naturally keep in my head even if others have difficulty finding them individually.

I am not interested in writing the Great American AP strategy guide.

I am interested in writing the Great American AP memoir.

Amended enough for everyone.

Triple sigh.

When are you going to start APing?

Quote: rdw4potus

When are you going to start APing?

I'm going to start in 2012.

Oops, guess I've been doing it already since we're in 2015.

My memoir is already a few hundred pages long.

The real question is when am I going to seek publication. I haven't any idea. I suppose when I am tired of AP'ing or it's made me very wealthy. I am a few years away from the former and I suppose the latter is up to each persons standards. Either way, haven't reached either point yet.

Is John Patrick going to ghost author your book ?

Quote: redjohn

Is John Patrick going to ghost author your book ?

Just what exactly are you attempting to insinuate? That I need someone else to write my material or that I am making false claims about being an AP as John Patrick makes false claims about winning with his systems.

Quote: redjohn

Is John Patrick going to ghost author your book ?

I was thinking Scoblete. He writes a lot of fiction. He's had The Captain, The Arm and their minions. Oz can be The Sargent Major!

Quote: DeMango

I was thinking Scoblete. He writes a lot of fiction. He's had The Captain, The Arm and their minions. Oz can be The Sargent Major!

Well, hah hah. Its all good actually.

Non-belief in me is part of my perfect cover. From discussions here and there with casino staff (I pick at them for info) most of what I do is impossible.

Meanwhile I continue to do it.

When I do publish the book, everyone will be kicking themselves. All perfect for me.

Quote: darkoz

Just what exactly are you attempting to insinuate? That I need someone else to write my material or that I am making false claims about being an AP as John Patrick makes false claims about winning with his systems.

Before emarking on a literary career, you may want to look up the definition of the word " satire " . Anyway, put me down as a customer when you are published.

Quote: redjohn

Before emarking on a literary career, you may want to look up the definition of the word " satire " . Anyway, put me down as a customer when you are published.

Okay, sounds good. Even if you doubt my claims, as long as I make a sale :)

Never had any doubts. Been around enough wannabe's in my life to know the real thing. GOOD LUCK with the book !

Quote: redjohn

Never had any doubts. Been around enough wannabe's in my life to know the real thing. GOOD LUCK with the book !

Okay. Now you're shooting for that autographed copy. Remind me if you remember in a decade or so.

Quote: darkoz

Well, hah hah. Its all good actually.

Non-belief in me is part of my perfect cover. From discussions here and there with casino staff (I pick at them for info) most of what I do is impossible.

Meanwhile I continue to do it.

When I do publish the book, everyone will be kicking themselves. All perfect for me.

Or wanting to kick you.

As you probably already know ill have to give a quadruple *sigh*. As I have seen what AP information dissemination does, especially on the internet. (Read the Revel thread for 1 instance where to much talk potentially cost people hundreds of thousands)

There's guys who have people who pioneered this stuff with outside the box thinking and hard work. They have been around for over 20 years and on many incredible, unique interesting plays, some you'll never hear about or even know existed. They have probably forgotten more plays than they can remember. Out of respect for AP and other AP's they haven't written books or went to the dark side even when offered.

If you're dead set on writing a book, Hopefully for you're sake and it's success your book will include interesting unique good plays, Things where you're betting thousands a spin/push/pull risking 10's of thousands in minutes and not just mega multi carding for things for as little as $9 a day, or routine daily bounce back and stuff like that. Once you engage in super plays like that you may realize a book is the last thing you're interested in because AP opportunities are ongoing and far more lucrative and satisfying.

Hopefully it wont educate casinos and incompetent hustlers who have no regards for being blatantly obvious while burning out plays, especially ones that may still be relevant in other locations or have a good chance at reappearing.

There's been a few lucrative promotions that have been reoccurring since before the 80's you can see the frequency of the plays become less and less even though we have more casinos than ever.

You're writing is good and I enjoyed it hopefully you'll change you're mind and think about fiction writing or even use your writing skill to help the AP cause in some way. Perhaps a book on why AP books are a very bad Idea.

Perhaps Ill be a Hypocrite one day work with a skilled writer and really put a nail in the coffin.

Quote: darkoz

Okay. Now you're shooting for that autographed copy. Remind me if you remember in a decade or so.

Your competition, John Patrick, gave me an autographed copy when I bought his "Advanced Craps" book early on in my gambling career; you should offer to do the same when your tome comes out.

I know how you feel, Axel and I respect that although the last bit sounds like you might decide to make the publishing move yourself to beat others to it first, lol.

I would hardly call multi-carding for $9 in free-play or routine daily bounce-back a major AP move. And it's certainly no secret either as you read about in my first installment of the hustling wars where flocks of people used multiple cards on a casino for the daily rewards offered.

At any rate, nothing in the works yet. I haven't even approached publishers. I'm enjoying the ride for now. We're talking many years down the road before anything is even attempted at publishing.

Quote: AxelWolf

Perhaps Ill be a Hypocrite one day work with a skilled writer and really put a nail in the coffin.

Now, now, don't go and ruin a good fantasy by trying to write it down like so many "AP geniuses" before you.

Quote: darkoz

I know how you feel, Axel and I respect that although the last bit sounds like you might decide to make the publishing move yourself to beat others to it first, lol.

Oh, no!

Quote: darkoz

I know how you feel, Axel and I respect that although the last bit sounds like you might decide to make the publishing move yourself to beat others to it first, lol.

I would hardly call multi-carding for $9 in free-play or routine daily bounce-back a major AP move. And it's certainly no secret either as you read about in my first installment of the hustling wars where flocks of people used multiple cards on a casino for the daily rewards offered.

At any rate, nothing in the works yet. I haven't even approached publishers. I'm enjoying the ride for now. We're talking many years down the road before anything is even attempted at publishing.

Hopefully after the youngest person I'm partners with is dead. You may have to wait 60 years. On second thought me may piss me off before then and get a cactus as a headstone.

Quote: AxelWolf

Hopefully after the youngest person I'm partners with is dead. You may have to wait 60 years. On second thought me may piss me off before then and get a cactus as a headstone.

Here's a true story. My daughter is one of my partners and she has a nine year old (yea, I'm already a grandfather, yikes.)

Anyway, out of necessity my grand-daughter comes on plenty of gambling trips and has some idea that's how we make our living.

I mentioned to her I was writing my memoir. She asked when I might publish and I gave a round figure of maybe in fifteen years because I was concerned publishing my adventures might ruin the opportunities and I didn't want this to end so early in my life. In fifteen years I will be close to sixty.

Her face was horrified as she said to me, "But, Grandpa, that's when I turn 21. How am I going to do any of this?"

So, who knows. It did give me pause for thought.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, in fifteen years she'll be 24. She may not be cut out for this. Gotta work on her math skills, lol.

Quote: AxelWolf

I don't think you got the Joke. Of course most of us know very good and well AP absolutely works and can be very profitable, we are not questioning that. You have made sure to boastfully mention you're an AP many times, you've successfully pounded that in our heads.

It's almost certain that KJ has read this thread.

It seems you have mentioned a few members names. Someone may read more into that IE they are vouching for the fact you're an AP, possibly a very successful and knowledgeable one for 8 years+. Perhaps that all needs to be cleared up. You have come off as an experienced exceptional AP expert.

TBH I have been skeptical a bit, not that you're an AP but just the actual real experience we have been lead to believe. I also had a few members ask about you. Especially since you've been doing this 8 or 9 years and work with a team. Someone said they know you've been a poster on another forum for a few years but that's about it.

Can I ask a few questions?

1) How and where do they know you from? (Just as a member from a another forum?)
2) Have they ever worked with you?
3) Have you ever meet them in person or even talked with you on the phone?
4) 8 or 9 years in AP, doing mostly what? Card counting?(what limits?) UX hustler? Must hit hustler?
5) When did you actually become proficient at AP? (Technically I AP'ed something once when I was only 19 6) using free play Coins at 4 Queens)
7) How long have you relied solely on AP as you're income? Where did you learn counting and bonus hunting?
8) What's your main focus and average limits?
9) Has KJ or RS ever even seen you in a casino or know anyone that has?
10) Have you come up with methods or plays yourself that you developed ?
11 Other than Vulture type plays , small promos and card counting, what kind of plays do you do
12) Can anyone known and credible verify anything?


EDIT sorry I didn't see that KJ responded before I submitted this. ill leave any asked and awnserd questions

1. KJ knows me from BJTF, as does RS, as does Ning (don't recall his username on this forum), and Tringlomane just met me on Thursday in person.
2. Ning has, Tringlomane hasn't really "worked" with me, but he's seen me in action and we've walked around and talked for hours about various AP stuff, and I showed him a machine or two to keep his eye on.
3. Yes, as just described in #2.
4. Must hit Hustler for the majority of it, then UX as it released, SW, IJ, WCP, S&H, BBB, PB, etc. Card Counting and DI were more recent additions to the proverbial "bag-o-tricks". And I'm light years ahead of most people in our "business" at the current machines. I've been hustling a few specific sets of machines for about a year and a half now without the usual "hustler" crowd picking up on it. If you're legit, you'll know them, and I have zero intention on giving the information out on them, you're more than welcome to inquire in PMs about them though. I might even be more inclined to drop an incredibly subtle hint about it, if you really think you're ahead of the game enough to think I don't know what I"m doing :P.
5. 8 or 9 years ago, as explained. I'm not the type to say I've been an AP for 8-9 years because I've hustled something once and got lucky, 8 or 9 years ago, I came into the realization that there exists advantages throughout the casino for making money, so I began to search for them, watch others in action, and observe every detail I could.
6. what? lol
7. Since 2012; I don't think "where" is relevant here, is it?
8. Please elaborate further as to what you mean by "main focus" and "average limits".
9. No, unless they know Ning.
10. Yes, absolutely positive of this.
11. I don't think this is best advised for the forum.
12. Tringlomane from this forum just met me on Thursday, you could ask him.

Quote: MathExtremist

I don't comprehend this -- why would any AP want attention and notoriety? It's not like you'd walk up to a blackjack table, buy in for $1000, and then yell to the floor supervisor "Hey, I'm going to count down your game using Hi-Opt II with an ace side count. Can you send over a cocktail waitress?"

I thought the longevity of an AP's career was dependent on staying under the radar and *avoiding* notoriety...

Who says I want attention or notoriety? Who says I'm increasing my attention or notoriety by posting here?

As explained before, I came to this forum in search of a machine being discussed by either Axel, Mission, or MickeyCrimm, and started correcting some inaccuracies being posted on the forum, namely a thing or two about the martingale, and especially this thread where a guy claims to have invested something that's already been invented, but isn't actually a true martingale.

The fact that I've stated that I'm an AP, and one of the best in my area isn't me bragging, its me giving you information about me, to validate my comments about such things, like in the "Vulturing Ultimate X" thread where I just steamrolled RS about his beliefs of UX, while he sat there and tried to suggest that I didn't know what I was talking about.

You see, ME, I'm giving you my credentials, so that you might use them to either determine for or against my value to the topic at hand, since we don't know eachother. You don't have months, years, eons with me as a poster on a forum with you like some of these other guys, so I'm skipping the awkwardness of you slowly figuring it out, and just telling you right from the go, since I don't generally have the time for nonsense. It also helps to note my real life, real world experiences in this field, and you're more than welcome to take this forum's "Best" Machine AP, or best "all around" AP and have him quiz/grill me on anything AP related that might be in my field of work, and I'm absolutely confident that I can and will pass his "test" for the forum with flying colors.

That is assuming if guys like you and Alan haven't ran such a person off.

My assumption is that it would be Axel or MickeyCrimm, am I incorrect?

Quote: DeMango

Grossjean already wrote it!

He wrote a joke, trust me on this. If I could ever find the time to put pen to paper, I'd have a best seller and a movie script in the works that would make 21, Mississippi Grind, and Oceans Eleven look Silly. I'm serious, the interesting stories I've been a part of, both major and minor, the drama, suspense, and the overall boring monotony of it all, its just an interesting life with its many thrills and chills, nothing like I've had the pleasure or displeasure of reading so far.

Quote: Exoter175

The fact that I've stated that I'm an AP, and one of the best in my area isn't me bragging, its me giving you information about me, to validate my comments about such things, like in the "Vulturing Ultimate X" thread where I just steamrolled RS about his beliefs of UX...

You see, ME, I'm giving you my credentials, so that you might use them to either determine for or against my value to the topic at hand, since we don't know eachother. You don't have months, years, eons with me as a poster on a forum with you like some of these other guys, so I'm skipping the awkwardness of you slowly figuring it out, and just telling you right from the go, since I don't generally have the time for nonsense.

The fact that you do not characterize statements like "I just steamrolled RS" as braggadocio is why nobody needs months or even days to figure you out. You have boasted of your genius, your mathematical aptitude, your preternatural dice-throwing ability, your staunch faith in betting systems, and an AP income that is twice what you could make at a day job. How much of that is true is highly suspect, but what's undisputed is that you have published that all here. I'm not sure what your goals are but it doesn't seem that credibility or respect are among them. Striding into a crowd and shouting "look at me, I'm the smartest one in the room" is never the way to convince people you're the smartest one in the room.

And the need to convince people you're the smartest one in the room means you aren't.

by long run, all betting system is worthless. it is also right, for short run, all betting systems are useful. the base is that fully understand how the system works it is a system, not a simple sentence.

Quote: tomchina123

by long run, all betting system is worthless.

Not so. How about betting more on the hands you win and less on the hands you lose. This is the basis of card counting. :)

Quote: kewlj

Not so. How about betting more on the hands you win and less on the hands you lose. This is the basis of card counting. :)

well.i agree with u. even not counting, basically, by testing, it is good.