dwm
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September 22nd, 2015 at 11:41:20 AM permalink
This is how I am now playing my pass-odds betting scheme with 20x odds available:
\$5 pass and \$10 odds to start initially on all points.
Then increase the odds bet in \$10 increments as follows:
If point is 6 or 8, increase the odds bet as any INSIDE number is rolled.
If point is 5 or 9, increase the odds bets as ANY box number is rolled.
If point is 4 or 10, increase the odds bet as any OUTSIDE number is rolled.

Stop at max \$100 odds and play with \$1000 day bankroll. I am increasing the odds bet based on like or similar numbers rolling. If point is 5 or 9 this is both an inside and an outside number so increasing as any box rolled. The 6 or 8 point is an inside number so increasing it as every inside number is rolled. If point is 4 or 10, this is an outside number so increasing odds as every outside number is rolled.

You may be pleasantly surprised if you concentrate on the odds bet, that's my point!
mustangsally
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September 22nd, 2015 at 12:13:54 PM permalink
Quote: dwm

This is how I am now playing my pass-odds betting scheme with 20x odds available:

no craps betting system can beat the house edge
even with hard-to-find 20X odds

play long enough and any starting bankroll of \$1 million or less will be gone
just a fact of life
Quote: dwm

If point is 5 or 9 this is both an inside and an outside number so increasing as any box rolled.

i disagree and so due the dice

only 6 and 8 are inside numbers where it is nice inside

4,5,9 and 10 are outside numbers - for sure they are outside both 6 & 8

the 5 & 9 can not be both
that is silly
(no matter who says they are, they are wrong, imo)

Quote: dwm

The 6 or 8 point is an inside number

the only numbers that are inside R the 6 and 8
Quote: dwm

You may be pleasantly surprised if you concentrate on the odds bet, that's my point!

what happens if i am NOT pleasantly surprised...

I simulated 100,000 players doing just that and every one busted out their \$1000 bankroll, as expected...
la la la (some, not most, took longer to bust-out than others, the un-lucky ones)

not much fun there (Oh, yes, playing craps is so much fun)
where is the fun in that?
la la tea dot

i do not get that
or it
or Taylor

Lay bets rule!
all other bets are just other bets
Sally

thank you for sharing
no matter what I or other haters due say and think and all-that-stuff
hate, love, hate, love
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dwm
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September 22nd, 2015 at 12:45:21 PM permalink
Sally: The inside numbers are 5,6,8,9. The outside numbers are 4,5,9,10. The 5 and 9 appear in both, so not so silly as you say.
My pass-odds scheme is not a winning system, it is just a way of playing concentrating on the odds bet with its 0 house edge.
DeMango
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September 22nd, 2015 at 6:57:47 PM permalink
When is anybody gonna give some love to a man posting his what, 314th different system? I'll be in Biloxi, David, after Columbus day. Hope to meet you at a table, if we haven't met already!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
NokTang
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September 22nd, 2015 at 7:59:18 PM permalink
Quote: dwm

My pass-odds scheme is not a winning system, it is just a way of playing concentrating on the odds bet with its 0 house edge.

What's the point if it's not a winning system? I think losing system's are a dime a dozen or cheaper?
MrV
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September 22nd, 2015 at 8:06:48 PM permalink
Please, NokTang, that comment seems a bit harsh.

All craps players know that there is no system which will overcome the house edge.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play craps for fun and recreation, and if you want to play you have to choose a method of play.

The OP is merely suggesting one method of playing the game.
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mustangsally
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September 22nd, 2015 at 9:56:17 PM permalink
Quote: dwm

My pass-odds scheme is not a winning system,

but it could be with a proper loss-rebate to offer the casino
of course you need a much higher bankroll to even B considered for that.
Quote: dwm

... it is just a way of playing concentrating on the odds bet with its 0 house edge.

way way too much concentrating i due say
and there is no correlation in
in-out numbers roll - increase-odds-increase-wins-thinking-stuff-s
it is a feel good system at best, imo

so that has some happy value...

just always taking the \$100 odds your chance to double up to at least \$2000 in a session = 48%
and easily happens too
making good money faster than the average bear...

is at best a 44.5% winner
to at least \$2000 and taking 5X as more rolls on average and not getting any more comps from it

why so many betting systems from you
without any YouTube videos to match? (\$\$\$ in videos)
just thinking

Sally
thank you for sharing !

a system
that performs worse than just always taking 20X odds
Hmmm
what a rush!
20X odds that is

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odiousgambit
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September 23rd, 2015 at 3:23:34 AM permalink
well, dwm, I can dig it that you don't want to go max 20x odds right from the get-go

but that's because you really need a big bankroll to do it- and a great big ability to blow it off if you lose, because that becomes loosing, not just losing*

If your system works for you, it's good with me. You'd have a hard time convincing most of us it has any other value than keeping your action down though methinks.

I've said before we need to acknowledge that gamblers have coined a new word, we see its usage way too much here. Losing is, meh, losing. But loosing is really getting reamed!! I'm going to start using it!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
dwm
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September 23rd, 2015 at 10:27:27 AM permalink
Most craps players are stuck on their same ole losing betting schemes and are afraid to change. There is NO winning betting scheme, just the hope that it will work in the present. The beauty of craps is all the different betting schemes available, this one is doing well for me thusfar over many sessions during the last several months.
mustangsally
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September 23rd, 2015 at 10:35:05 AM permalink
Quote: dwm

Most craps players are stuck on their same ole losing betting schemes and are afraid to change. There is NO winning betting scheme, just the hope that it will work in the present.

this is false
there are many winning betting systems in craps
the ones i have used the most and won the most was pass line only and always 345X odds with a loss-rebate

casinos love loss rebates
they offer and accept them all-the-time
it only takes cash
Quote: dwm

The beauty of craps is all the different betting schemes available, this one is doing well for me thusfar over many sessions during the last several months.

that is super and i have shown that by always taking 20X odds and not playing with up on this and that one WILL double a \$1000 more often and in less time than the 9.22.2015-dwm-betting-system
here is the wincraps classic code i used
if you want to use it just make it in wincraps
one can not copy/paste this and have it work as in Pro (I do not use Pro)
` When . . .          Initializing Auto-Bet then . . .          Set Auto-Take Full Odds to False          Bet \$ 5 on Pass Line          Go to "end" While . . .          Next roll is a come-out roll          Pass Line is equal to \$ 0 then . . .          Bet \$ 5 on Pass Line          Go to "status" While . . .          A point is established on any number          Last roll was a come-out roll then . . .          Bet \$ 10 on Pass Line Odds          Go to "end" While . . .          A point is established on the number 4 or 10          Number 4,5,9,or 10 has rolled each time          Pass Line Odds is less than \$ 100 then . . .          Add \$ 10 to Pass Line Odds          Go to "status" While . . .          A point is established on the number 5 or 9          Number 4,5,6,8,9,or 10 has rolled each time          Pass Line Odds is less than \$ 100 then . . .          Add \$ 10 to Pass Line Odds          Go to "status" While . . .          A point is established on the number 6 or 8          Number 5,6,8,or 9 has rolled each time          Pass Line Odds is less than \$ 100 then . . .          Add \$ 10 to Pass Line Odds status While . . .          Bankroll is equal to \$ 0     or while . . .          Bankroll is not less than \$ 2000     or while . . .          Pass Line is equal to \$ 0 then . . .          Add \$ 1 to Chip-Stack # 0          Reset table (preserve Chip-Stacks)          Bet \$ 5 on Pass Line When . . .          Chip-Stack # 0 is equal to \$ 5000 then . . .          Stop Auto-Rolling / Hyper-Drive end`

what you are doing at the craps table IS a betting system
and having fun with it... Yahoo!
the word is a system and not a scheme

a Rose is a Rose even if you call it a rock

thank you for sharing!
I go with 20X odds always if it was offered in every casino

easy money and with a loss-rebate
the casino would lose big time to large bankrolled teams
and refuse to let you play by those rules (loss-rebate-rules)
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mustangsally
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September 23rd, 2015 at 10:40:51 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

well, dwm, I can dig it that you don't want to go max 20x odds right from the get-go

but that's because you really need a big bankroll to do it-

no you do not
i call you out on that one

as it is as close to being a total lie as anything spoken by man

\$1000 bankroll gives plenty of play time
only starts out with \$5 with \$10 odds
I know a better system to double bankrolls (or even better yet triple bankrolls is \$100 odds always)

but it can not out-perform just betting 20X odds with the same \$1000 bankroll

of course, every craps player wants every session to last 4 hours and win 200% to 1000% every session

that is the hope

one lifetime craps (gambling) session and you die
then the books are opened and the truth will be told
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MrV
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September 23rd, 2015 at 10:43:33 AM permalink
What is your level of play, such that you qualify for and receive a loss rebate?

I assume you negotiate it through your host?

Which casinos have you found to be receptive to allowing a loss rebate for craps, at other than stratospheric betting amounts?
"What, me worry?"
TwoFeathersATL
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September 23rd, 2015 at 2:36:16 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

What is your level of play, such that you qualify for and receive a loss rebate?

I assume you negotiate it through your host?

Which casinos have you found to be receptive to allowing a loss rebate for craps, at other than stratospheric betting amounts?

Good question. Waiting on the answer myself. Dem stores never offered me no damn lose rebate. I was supposed to ask for one?
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
Wonko33
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September 23rd, 2015 at 3:02:16 PM permalink
I thought Casinos did not factor in your odds bets for comps. Are loss rebates computed a different way?
So Wizard, still no basic strategy for strip poker huh?
NokTang
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September 23rd, 2015 at 4:43:23 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Please, NokTang, that comment seems a bit harsh.

All craps players know that there is no system which will overcome the house edge.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play craps for fun and recreation, and if you want to play you have to choose a method of play.

The OP is merely suggesting one method of playing the game.

Sorry if came across as "harsh". I play to win, not for fun and recreation.
MrV
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September 23rd, 2015 at 5:00:12 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Sorry if came across as "harsh". I play to win, not for fun and recreation.

OK, so why play craps then?

No AP in that game.

Just sayin'.
"What, me worry?"
NokTang
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September 24th, 2015 at 3:32:36 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

OK, so why play craps then?

No AP in that game.

Just sayin'.

I'm not a firm believer in all the "AP" we read on here. I think craps, like roulette, and some sports wagering, is a game of streaks and it simply a matter of not being a chicken shit when that opportunity presents itself.
odiousgambit
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September 24th, 2015 at 4:21:12 AM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

\$1000 bankroll gives plenty of play time
only starts out with \$5 with \$10 odds
I know a better system to double bankrolls (or even better yet triple bankrolls is \$100 odds always)

\$5 with \$10 odds is not going max 20x odds right from the get-go [and sustained]
and actually finding a \$5 game, 20x odds, OK, if you can do that it helps. But \$1000 is not enough to bring unless [see below]

Quote:

but it can not out-perform just betting 20X odds with the same \$1000 bankroll

it is true that in a sense it doesn't matter what your bankroll is, if you bust out you just bust out and come back another day, and you will be better off. Except ...

Quote:

every craps player wants every session to last 4 hours

Of course. Show me the person who can take the emotional damage of lasting only, say, 20 minutes with a \$1000 bankroll - who is also willing to mingle with the common folk at a \$5 table

Quote:

one lifetime craps (gambling) session and you die
then the books are opened and the truth will be told

Got that kind of stuff on your mind Sally? Book of Life and all that? Perhaps yours, perhaps mine, being read will be like doing Tuco's rap sheet in "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly"?

the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
mustangsally
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September 24th, 2015 at 9:04:03 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

What is your level of play, such that you qualify for and receive a loss rebate?

my team's level of play when i played this way was either a 20 or 40 unit buy-in
we ended with units = 20,000 (the most common was 10,000) for one session of play

Quote: MrV

I assume you negotiate it through your host?

this was explained B4 in my trick-or-treat thread
it is way easier to get the proper attention by starting at the cage, telling them you have lots of cash and want to speak to a casino manager about gambling there
i doubt the Wizard has enough cash to even try this successfully

Quote: MrV

Which casinos have you found to be receptive to allowing a loss rebate for craps, at other than stratospheric betting amounts?

many that were
are no longer
and news of big wins from loss-rebates travel very fast between casinos

the team that took over my team (a hostile take-over) plays all over the world now because they have to
but i hear they win too much money and that type of play will soon be a dead one.

i got out (well, was forced out) with a very large profit and i am sure that some team members won big too
i have more fun betting the OVER these days on my Angels (2 out of 3) as it keeps my taxes very manageable
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dwm
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October 4th, 2015 at 9:53:42 AM permalink
Too many PSOs (point seven outs) to bet big odds from the start.

Now I hate it when shooter rolls 10 or more box numbers and does NOT make his point and i am the only one who loses on that sequence, and yes it does happen. Once I was shooting and did just that and everyone was congratulating me, but it was hard for me to get excited about that one!

But overall I am really liking my net results using this same betting odds scheme spelled out at the start of this thread.
mustangsally
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October 4th, 2015 at 10:23:58 AM permalink
Quote: dwm

Now I hate it when shooter rolls 10 or more box numbers and does NOT make his point and i am the only one who loses on that sequence, and yes it does happen.

so, place all the numbers and you win every time a box number rolls on a point roll.
what is so difficult about that?
oh you hate that too?

those that hate are many times called "haters"
good luck with that
Quote: dwm

But overall I am really liking my net results using this same betting odds scheme spelled out at the start of this thread.

overall net results
from any betting system are not that impressive to any serious craps player, imo
only each session result matters
gambling is what it is
**** **
OVER the Angels and they are over
i only 4 out of 6 (4 wins)
but eyes
celebrate the wins and hate the losing bets
that means all that gamblers are haters
in my opinion
Mully

thank you for sharing
some craps players want to win "something" on every roll
they are called "losers"
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