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$5 pass and $10 odds to start initially on all points.

Then increase the odds bet in $10 increments as follows:

If point is 6 or 8, increase the odds bet as any INSIDE number is rolled.

If point is 5 or 9, increase the odds bets as ANY box number is rolled.

If point is 4 or 10, increase the odds bet as any OUTSIDE number is rolled.

Stop at max $100 odds and play with $1000 day bankroll. I am increasing the odds bet based on like or similar numbers rolling. If point is 5 or 9 this is both an inside and an outside number so increasing as any box rolled. The 6 or 8 point is an inside number so increasing it as every inside number is rolled. If point is 4 or 10, this is an outside number so increasing odds as every outside number is rolled.

You may be pleasantly surprised if you concentrate on the odds bet, that's my point!

no craps betting system can beat the house edgeQuote:dwmThis is how I am now playing my pass-odds betting scheme with 20x odds available:

even with hard-to-find 20X odds

play long enough and any starting bankroll of $1 million or less will be gone

just a fact of life

i disagree and so due the diceQuote:dwmIf point is 5 or 9 this is both an inside and an outside number so increasing as any box rolled.

only 6 and 8 are inside numbers where it is nice inside

4,5,9 and 10 are outside numbers - for sure they are outside both 6 & 8

the 5 & 9 can not be both

that is silly

(no matter who says they are, they are wrong, imo)

i already agreed on thatQuote:dwmThe 6 or 8 point is an inside number

the only numbers that are inside R the 6 and 8

what happens if i am NOT pleasantly surprised...Quote:dwmYou may be pleasantly surprised if you concentrate on the odds bet, that's my point!

I simulated 100,000 players doing just that and every one busted out their $1000 bankroll, as expected...

la la la (some, not most, took longer to bust-out than others, the un-lucky ones)

not much fun there (Oh, yes, playing craps is so much fun)

where is the fun in that?

la la tea dot

i do not get that

or it

or Taylor

Lay bets rule!

all other bets are just other bets

Sally

thank you for sharing

no matter what I or other haters due say and think and all-that-stuff

hate, love, hate, love

My pass-odds scheme is not a winning system, it is just a way of playing concentrating on the odds bet with its 0 house edge.

Quote:dwm

My pass-odds scheme is not a winning system, it is just a way of playing concentrating on the odds bet with its 0 house edge.

What's the point if it's not a winning system? I think losing system's are a dime a dozen or cheaper?

All craps players know that there is no system which will overcome the house edge.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play craps for fun and recreation, and if you want to play you have to choose a method of play.

The OP is merely suggesting one method of playing the game.

but it could be with a proper loss-rebate to offer the casinoQuote:dwmMy pass-odds scheme is not a winning system,

of course you need a much higher bankroll to even B considered for that.

way way too much concentrating i due sayQuote:dwm... it is just a way of playing concentrating on the odds bet with its 0 house edge.

and there is no correlation in

in-out numbers roll - increase-odds-increase-wins-thinking-stuff-s

it is a feel good system at best, imo

so that has some happy value...

just always taking the $100 odds your chance to double up to at least $2000 in a session = 48%

and easily happens too

making good money faster than the average bear...

your think-about-the-odds-every-roll-system

is at best a 44.5% winner

to at least $2000 and taking 5X as more rolls on average and not getting any more comps from it

why so many betting systems from you

without any YouTube videos to match? ($$$ in videos)

just thinking

Sally

thank you for sharing !

a system

that performs worse than just always taking 20X odds

Hmmm

what a rush!

20X odds that is

but that's because you really need a big bankroll to do it- and a great big ability to blow it off if you lose, because that becomes loosing, not just losing*

If your system works for you, it's good with me. You'd have a hard time convincing most of us it has any other value than keeping your action down though methinks.

I've said before we need to acknowledge that gamblers have coined a new word, we see its usage way too much here. Losing is, meh, losing. But loosing is really getting reamed!! I'm going to start using it!

this is falseQuote:dwmMost craps players are stuck on their same ole losing betting schemes and are afraid to change. There is NO winning betting scheme, just the hope that it will work in the present.

there are many winning betting systems in craps

the ones i have used the most and won the most was pass line only and always 345X odds with a loss-rebate

casinos love loss rebates

they offer and accept them all-the-time

it only takes cash

that is super and i have shown that by always taking 20X odds and not playing with up on this and that one WILL double a $1000 more often and in less time than the 9.22.2015-dwm-betting-systemQuote:dwmThe beauty of craps is all the different betting schemes available, this one is doing well for me thusfar over many sessions during the last several months.

if you want to use it just make it in wincraps

one can not copy/paste this and have it work as in Pro (I do not use Pro)

When . . .

Initializing Auto-Bet

then . . .

Set Auto-Take Full Odds to False

Bet $ 5 on Pass Line

Go to "end"

While . . .

Next roll is a come-out roll

Pass Line is equal to $ 0

then . . .

Bet $ 5 on Pass Line

Go to "status"

While . . .

A point is established on any number

Last roll was a come-out roll

then . . .

Bet $ 10 on Pass Line Odds

Go to "end"

While . . .

A point is established on the number 4 or 10

Number 4,5,9,or 10 has rolled each time

Pass Line Odds is less than $ 100

then . . .

Add $ 10 to Pass Line Odds

Go to "status"

While . . .

A point is established on the number 5 or 9

Number 4,5,6,8,9,or 10 has rolled each time

Pass Line Odds is less than $ 100

then . . .

Add $ 10 to Pass Line Odds

Go to "status"

While . . .

A point is established on the number 6 or 8

Number 5,6,8,or 9 has rolled each time

Pass Line Odds is less than $ 100

then . . .

Add $ 10 to Pass Line Odds

status

While . . .

Bankroll is equal to $ 0

or while . . .

Bankroll is not less than $ 2000

or while . . .

Pass Line is equal to $ 0

then . . .

Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 0

Reset table (preserve Chip-Stacks)

Bet $ 5 on Pass Line

When . . .

Chip-Stack # 0 is equal to $ 5000

then . . .

Stop Auto-Rolling / Hyper-Drive

end

what you are doing at the craps table IS a betting system

and having fun with it... Yahoo!

the word is a system and not a scheme

a Rose is a Rose even if you call it a rock

thank you for sharing!

I go with 20X odds always if it was offered in every casino

easy money and with a loss-rebate

the casino would lose big time to large bankrolled teams

and refuse to let you play by those rules (loss-rebate-rules)

no you do notQuote:odiousgambitwell, dwm, I can dig it that you don't want to go max 20x odds right from the get-go

but that's because you really need a big bankroll to do it-

i call you out on that one

as it is as close to being a total lie as anything spoken by man

$1000 bankroll gives plenty of play time

only starts out with $5 with $10 odds

I know a better system to double bankrolls (or even better yet triple bankrolls is $100 odds always)

but it can not out-perform just betting 20X odds with the same $1000 bankroll

of course, every craps player wants every session to last 4 hours and win 200% to 1000% every session

that is the hope

one lifetime craps (gambling) session and you die

then the books are opened and the truth will be told

I assume you negotiate it through your host?

Which casinos have you found to be receptive to allowing a loss rebate for craps, at other than stratospheric betting amounts?

Quote:MrVWhat is your level of play, such that you qualify for and receive a loss rebate?

I assume you negotiate it through your host?

Which casinos have you found to be receptive to allowing a loss rebate for craps, at other than stratospheric betting amounts?

Good question. Waiting on the answer myself. Dem stores never offered me no damn lose rebate. I was supposed to ask for one?

Quote:MrVPlease, NokTang, that comment seems a bit harsh.

All craps players know that there is no system which will overcome the house edge.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play craps for fun and recreation, and if you want to play you have to choose a method of play.

The OP is merely suggesting one method of playing the game.

Sorry if came across as "harsh". I play to win, not for fun and recreation.

Quote:NokTangSorry if came across as "harsh". I play to win, not for fun and recreation.

OK, so why play craps then?

No AP in that game.

Just sayin'.

Quote:MrVOK, so why play craps then?

No AP in that game.

Just sayin'.

I'm not a firm believer in all the "AP" we read on here. I think craps, like roulette, and some sports wagering, is a game of streaks and it simply a matter of not being a chicken shit when that opportunity presents itself.

Quote:mustangsally$1000 bankroll gives plenty of play time

only starts out with $5 with $10 odds

I know a better system to double bankrolls (or even better yet triple bankrolls is $100 odds always)

$5 with $10 odds is not going max 20x odds right from the get-go [and sustained]

and actually finding a $5 game, 20x odds, OK, if you can do that it helps. But $1000 is not enough to bring unless [see below]

Quote:but it can not out-perform just betting 20X odds with the same $1000 bankroll

it is true that in a sense it doesn't matter what your bankroll is, if you bust out you just bust out and come back another day, and you will be better off. Except ...

Quote:every craps player wants every session to last 4 hours

Of course. Show me the person who can take the emotional damage of lasting only, say, 20 minutes with a $1000 bankroll - who is also willing to mingle with the common folk at a $5 table

Quote:one lifetime craps (gambling) session and you die

then the books are opened and the truth will be told

Got that kind of stuff on your mind Sally? Book of Life and all that? Perhaps yours, perhaps mine, being read will be like doing Tuco's rap sheet in "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly"?

my team's level of play when i played this way was either a 20 or 40 unit buy-inQuote:MrVWhat is your level of play, such that you qualify for and receive a loss rebate?

we ended with units = 20,000 (the most common was 10,000) for one session of play

this was explained B4 in my trick-or-treat threadQuote:MrVI assume you negotiate it through your host?

it is way easier to get the proper attention by starting at the cage, telling them you have lots of cash and want to speak to a casino manager about gambling there

i doubt the Wizard has enough cash to even try this successfully

many that wereQuote:MrVWhich casinos have you found to be receptive to allowing a loss rebate for craps, at other than stratospheric betting amounts?

are no longer

and news of big wins from loss-rebates travel very fast between casinos

the team that took over my team (a hostile take-over) plays all over the world now because they have to

but i hear they win too much money and that type of play will soon be a dead one.

i got out (well, was forced out) with a very large profit and i am sure that some team members won big too

i have more fun betting the OVER these days on my Angels (2 out of 3) as it keeps my taxes very manageable

Now I hate it when shooter rolls 10 or more box numbers and does NOT make his point and i am the only one who loses on that sequence, and yes it does happen. Once I was shooting and did just that and everyone was congratulating me, but it was hard for me to get excited about that one!

But overall I am really liking my net results using this same betting odds scheme spelled out at the start of this thread.

so, place all the numbers and you win every time a box number rolls on a point roll.Quote:dwmNow I hate it when shooter rolls 10 or more box numbers and does NOT make his point and i am the only one who loses on that sequence, and yes it does happen.

what is so difficult about that?

oh you hate that too?

those that hate are many times called "haters"

good luck with that

overall net resultsQuote:dwmBut overall I am really liking my net results using this same betting odds scheme spelled out at the start of this thread.

from any betting system are not that impressive to any serious craps player, imo

only each session result matters

gambling is what it is

**** **

OVER the Angels and they are over

i only 4 out of 6 (4 wins)

but eyes

celebrate the wins and hate the losing bets

that means all that gamblers are haters

in my opinion

Mully

thank you for sharing

some craps players want to win "something" on every roll

they are called "losers"

Curious as to results of any other players that may have tried this betting scheme.